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Old 11-02-2008, 03:45 AM   #1
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Assalamu ALaikum,

I was wondering if there is any Naqshbandi-Haqqani here I would like to speak to him on taking bayah in the Naqshbandi Tariqah.

Jazakallah Khair and May Allah Reward you all!
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Old 12-01-2008, 07:35 AM   #2
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Assalamu ALaikum,

I was wondering if there is any Naqshbandi-Haqqani here I would like to speak to him on taking bayah in the Naqshbandi Tariqah.

Jazakallah Khair and May Allah Reward you all!
w a alikum a salam

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Old 12-01-2008, 08:42 AM   #3
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Asalamu Alaikum,

Im curious, what makes you want to take bayyah with the Haqqani tariqa?
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Old 12-01-2008, 09:18 AM   #4
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Assalamu Alaikum WR WB,


Brother Tazkiyah, since i am new to this forum I really don't know if you can send me a PM or not, but if I can speak to you personally that would be great because if you understood why I wish to take baya etc., then I think that would be better.


Brother Paradise One, what a question you have asked Why do I wish to take Bayaa with the Naqshbandi Tariqa.. I do have a reason although I don't think if I disclose it publicly it would be good maybe I can tell you in private, but one reason as to why I want to is because for some reason I have a strong inclination to the Naqshbandi Tariqa and to Shaykh Nazim. I guess thats really it.
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Old 12-01-2008, 06:23 PM   #5
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Assalamu Alaikum WR WB,


Brother Tazkiyah, since i am new to this forum I really don't know if you can send me a PM or not, but if I can speak to you personally that would be great because if you understood why I wish to take baya etc., then I think that would be better.


Brother Paradise One, what a question you have asked Why do I wish to take Bayaa with the Naqshbandi Tariqa.. I do have a reason although I don't think if I disclose it publicly it would be good maybe I can tell you in private, but one reason as to why I want to is because for some reason I have a strong inclination to the Naqshbandi Tariqa and to Shaykh Nazim. I guess thats really it.
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Old 12-01-2008, 06:34 PM   #6
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Hmmm Good
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:26 AM   #7
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Some Deobandi 'Ulema do not like the Naqshbandi Haqqanis.
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:21 AM   #8
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Assalamu Alaikum,

Brother Tazkiyyah I sent you an email, I don't know if you received it or not.
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Old 12-02-2008, 05:32 AM   #9
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mashallah, gooooood, Naqshbandi Zindabaad

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Old 12-02-2008, 06:40 AM   #10
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I have a question to those of the Haqqani order, I have heard that Nazim Al Haqqani will fight off Nakir and Munkar when one does (if he/she believes in him). Is this true?
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #11
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I have a question to those of the Haqqani order, I have heard that Nazim Al Haqqani will fight off Nakir and Munkar when one does (if he/she believes in him). Is this true?
Certain things can be granted to awliyah ... some being this .. some being able to talk to Prophet saws in an awakened state or to dream Nabi saws every nite and lots of other things. First are foremost we try to remeber death often .. and work on our egos .. whatever else happens Allah knows best
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #12
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I have a question to those of the Haqqani order, I have heard that Nazim Al Haqqani will fight off Nakir and Munkar when one does (if he/she believes in him). Is this true?
Not just that but their Shaykh will answer for them on the Day of Qiyamat.

This is one of the reasons why so many Muslims don't have good opinions about Tasawwuf, as fake Sufis have over-shadowed the real Tasawwuf.

During the time of Hafiz ibn Hajar , some fake Sufis claimed that Prophet is present in the grave when a person is taken to his grave and Munkar Nakir come to question. He refuted them and said this has no basis in Islam.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #13
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Certain things can be granted to awliyah ... some being this .. some being able to talk to Prophet saws in an awakened state or to dream Nabi saws every nite and lots of other things. First are foremost we try to remeber death often .. and work on our egos .. whatever else happens Allah knows best I do recognise that awliyah have been given special abilities but this sounds alittle too far fetched, ofcourse with utmost respect to yourself, I do not wish to offend you.

I came across another dilema, in the year 2000 Nazim Al Haqqani was in Syria (I think) and told his people that something was going to happen on so and so date and took all his followers up into a mountain, when the time came, nothing happened. Also, recently I knew a brother to whom I was a good friend. He was a mureed of Nazim Al Haqqani and said that Al Mahdi was going to come in 2006. max 2007. The time came, nothing happened. When ramadan in 2006 was at its end he said if nothing major happens on the last 10 days of Ramadan then Mahdi will come 7 years later, so nothing happened in ramadan and now Al Mahdi is going to come 7 years later. I never heard from the brother after that.
What do you have to say about these events ? I am 100% about the second event, but not too sure about the first, do you have any recall of the event?

I was interested in the Haqqani Order only because they taught Ibn Arabi's works but after these events I don't know what to make of them, so I've kind of backed down. I;ve made Istikhara twice and am certain that Allah will do that which is best for me. I'm still looking for a sheikh but they are very hard to find.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #14
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I do recognise that awliyah have been given special abilities but this sounds alittle too far fetched, ofcourse with utmost respect to yourself, I do not wish to offend you.

I came across another dilema, in the year 2000 Nazim Al Haqqani was in Syria (I think) and told his people that something was going to happen on so and so date and took all his followers up into a mountain, when the time came, nothing happened. Also, recently I knew a brother to whom I was a good friend. He was a mureed of Nazim Al Haqqani and said that Al Mahdi was going to come in 2006. max 2007. The time came, nothing happened. When ramadan in 2006 was at its end he said if nothing major happens on the last 10 days of Ramadan then Mahdi will come 7 years later, so nothing happened in ramadan and now Al Mahdi is going to come 7 years later. I never heard from the brother after that.
What do you have to say about these events ? I am 100% about the second event, but not too sure about the first, do you have any recall of the event?

I was interested in the Haqqani Order only because they taught Ibn Arabi's works but after these events I don't know what to make of them, so I've kind of backed down. I;ve made Istikhara twice and am certain that Allah will do that which is best for me. I'm still looking for a sheikh but they are very hard to find.
You will find mureeds on all levels. Most people don't understand 3/4 of what mawlana says .. mawlana has been telling people to goto the mountains since the 70s .. we are in 2008 now. I myself have during sohbet of mawlana and his khalifas have been told things in my ear .. while he is giving a speech .. and another brother was given the same thing. While i know others who take what he says verbatim and didn't hear anything else. I can further say the first time i denied it because i thought i was going crazy and was told in a dream about it the same night. Still doubted that .. so I asked in the physical and it was verified. These are mureeds .. but don't think they are all on the same level. I know a mureed .. who has dreamt Nabi saw more than 150 times .. he doesn't know squat just keeps his awrad ..but he is blessed mashallah. Our grandshaykh Sh Abdullah Daghestani said Mahdi as appearance was delayed .. he gave the yrs but it was back in the 70s ..I can't remeber the yr exactley. As for the karamat of mawlana .. if i started with myself i could tell u atleast 20 just from myself and another few from family members. If you read Imam Yusuf Nabhani book on dreaming te Prophet saws .. he has some duroods if your read them Nabi saws will be at your grave at death .. etc etc. He also quotes from Imam Suyuti on various ones. For those who want to believe its for them .. for those who deny .. deny it no one is really trying to force the Haqqani tariqa on anyone. But let me remind people the likes of the Ba Alawi tariqa have many interesting karamat of their shaykhs also that are the same like of those in the Haqqani Tariqa. Just because .. the intellect can't accept such things .. there is no need for you really to deny such things.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #15
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Salam Tazkiyah,

I am fully aware of the miracles but tbh it is not my focal point. I have a stronger desire to know and I will not be-able to rest till I find it. The brother at hand was almost into his 50s and had been around many shaykhs for over 20+ years.
What kind of things do you do ? What do they teach you ? And does Nazim Al Haqqani have a chain going back to the prophet (saws)? I would be interested in seeing it if you could find it. JazakaAllahu Khair
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #16
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Not just that but their Shaykh will answer for them on the Day of Qiyamat.

This is one of the reasons why so many Muslims don't have good opinions about Tasawwuf, as fake Sufis have over-shadowed the real Tasawwuf.

During the time of Hafiz ibn Hajar , some fake Sufis claimed that Prophet is present in the grave when a person is taken to his grave and Munkar Nakir come to question. He refuted them and said this has no basis in Islam.
If the shaykh will answer for them .. whats the point of going against ur nafs . Your shaykh will plea for you. I haven't heard any shaykh say don't worry ..don't pray don't follow sharia don't follow sunnah .. don't go against your nafs .. I will answer for you.

Just because some mashaikh have karamat of such .. doesn't mean they are fake sufis .. have you read any non deobandi tasawwuf books??? Expand a lil more ..and maybe you will understand .. I am not saying this is a pre req .. or this has to happen .. I am saying it possible .. thats it. Read Imam Haddad book his chest was split open and he went quite a few times to Sidra Muntaha in Miraj!. It in the Sage of Arabia! Let go ahead any deny everything LOL. Just because the modern day deobandis do not have such things .. that is no reason to deny such things. Some of the elders .. Mawlana Madni ...Haji imdadullah.. Hazrat Gangoh all had varied experiances which most deobandis will completely deny or say brother that only happens to people of taqwa!


Let us now look into the still recent past:

* Naqsh-e Hayat-e Madni (p: 17) and Shaikh al-Islam (p: 61); when he (Maulana Madni) sits facing the Prophet’s tomb he sees him in such a manner that there is no barrier whatsoever between them.
* Writes Maulana Rashid Ahmad Siddiqi in Shaikh al-Islam, a biog*raphy of Maulana Madni, (p: 164), “Maulana Madni sent for me and Chaudhry Muhammad Mustafa, Inspector of Schools at about 2 A.M. We hurried over. He said that the decision for the partition of India had been taken in the celestial world and that Bengal and Punjab would also be partitioned. I asked as to what we, the oppo*nents of partition, should do. He said that we were committed to the affairs of the terrestrial world and would propagate, with full force, what we consider right.”
* Writes Maulana Hussain ‘Aliin Balghat al-Hairan (p: 8), “I saw the Holy Prophet, he took me in his arms and started walking on the Pathway. I saw him writing a surety bond for me under his seal, many elders were also accompanying him. I supplicated near the K‘abah, went to the shrine of the Prophet and offered my salutations. He embraced me and gave me instructions concerning Lataif and zikr. I noticed that he was about to fall down.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #17
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Salam Tazkiyah,

I am fully aware of the miracles but tbh it is not my focal point. I have a stronger desire to know and I will not be-able to rest till I find it. The brother at hand was almost into his 50s and had been around many shaykhs for over 20+ years.
What kind of things do you do ? What do they teach you ? And does Nazim Al Haqqani have a chain going back to the prophet (saws)? I would be interested in seeing it if you could find it. JazakaAllahu Khair
I do my basic awrad daily and rabitah follow Sharia and the sunnah as much as I can .. and work against the ego. Nothing special .. the Shaykh and the khalifa also tell the same things to do .. some have extra zikr to do depending on the level while newbies might have less etc. Shaykh Nazim has a spirtual lineage connected him with various orders.

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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #18
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Salam Tazkiyah,

Don't they teach you deeper meanings of Quran? Or Ibn Arabi's work?

I have a question regarding people wanting to become mureeds. Why do alll the people put their hand on the person infront of them all the way to the shaykh and recite Allah hu Allah hu Haqq?

BTW do you have a larger image I cannot see the text.
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Old 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM   #19
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Salam Tazkiyah,

Don't they teach you deeper meanings of Quran? Or Ibn Arabi's work?

I have a question regarding people wanting to become mureeds. Why do alll the people put their hand on the person infront of them all the way to the shaykh and recite Allah hu Allah hu Haqq?

BTW do you have a larger image I cannot see the text.
The shaykh no longer opens such things in public due to the amount of "lower grade mureeds" these days. If he was to talk such things .. they would flip. For those who are ready he opens such knowledge of realities. When i say lower grade mureeds .. Mawlana has said that he doesn't have even 40 *real mureeds*. In the baya .. one person or mutiple ppl put his hand on the shaykhs and ppl grab onto the right shoulder .. while the women grab on to their husband and all the women to the right shoulder of that women. If its to many people they will just raise their hands facing the shaykh. This is done when sometimes upto 10,000 or more end up taking baya which has happened in indonesia ..malaysia etc. The words of the baya are ..

“Audhu bi’llahi mina shaitani rajim, Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim...
‘Inna’lladhina yubayi’unaka innama yubayi’una’llah, yadu’llahi fauqa aydiihim, faman nakatha fa innama yankuthu ‘ala nafsi, wa man aufa’ bima ‘ahada ‘alayu’llah fasayutihi ajra ‘athiima’...
Allahu, Allahu, Allahu, Haqq,
Allahu, Allahu, Allahu, Haqq,
Allahu, Allahu, Allahu, Haqq...
Hasbi Allahu wa niamal Wakil, la haula wa la quwatta illa bi’lahi’l ‘Aliya’l ‘Aziim...
Radina bi’llahi Rabban, wa bi’l Islami dinan, wa bi Muhammadin Rasulan, wa bi Abdullah Daghestani Sheikhuna wa Ustadhuna wa Murshiduna...
Ila sharafi-n-Nabi salla’llahu ‘alayhi wa sallim wa alihi wa sahbihi’l kiram wa ila arwahi jami’il Anbiya’i wa’l Mursalin, wa khudama’i shara’i’ahim wa ila arwahi’l a’immati’l arba’a, wa ila Mashaikhina fi Tariqati Naqshbandiya’ti’l ‘Aliyya, khassatan ila ruhi’l Imami-Tariqa wa Ghawthi’l Khaliqa Shah Baha’ud-din Naqshband Muhammadini’l Uwaysiyi’l Bukhari, wa ila ustadhina wa ustadhi ustadhina Khwaja ‘Abdu’l Khaliq al Ghujdawani, wa ila Sultani’l Awliya Sheikh ‘Abdu’llah al Fa’izi ad-Daghestani wa ila Maulana Sheikh Nazim al Haqqani, wa ila arwahi sa’iri sadaatina wa-s-Siddiqiyun... al Fatiha.”


The Allah Hu Allah Hu Allah Hu Haq ..was used from the time of Shaykh Khalid Baghdadi in the baya .. he was the khaliftul mutlaq of Shaykh Ghulam Ali Abudllah Dehlawi of India.
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