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Talisman, taweez, etc collected from students of an institution. These items are to be neutralized & disposed.
Photo was taken on after isya, 27th Feb, 2012

amongst the things found are a shallot pierced with a 1 1/2 inch nail, several lime, turmeric root, photos, small bottles with some kind of dark liquids, cloths with writings etc etc.

[TerAlelmlor]

Is there danger in disposing carelessly?

eg. you find a suspicious object and throw into a fire, just like that.

[Filling25]

Is there danger in disposing carelessly?

eg. you find a suspicious object and throw into a fire, just like that.

Wa'alaykumus salaam bro Aseatic

I thought I could give a simple reply to your above question such as, "Yes, there is danger..." or "No, there is no danger..."
But when I asked myself, what proof or reference (such as nas, etc) do I have to support my statement,... Im not able to provide one.

Hence, I am not able to give a definite answer to your question. Maybe a more knowledgeable person can provide a better answer.

But what I can say is that, our normal practise of disposing objects related (or suspected to be related) to sehr/jinn is we would first recite certain ruqyahs for sihr/jinn (to neutralise the sehr insya ALLAH). After that disposing maybe by burying them in the ground some place where may not trouble/burden other people ... or by burning them... or by any other means.

In the photo above, I burned those items was because there are some wafaq/taweez that contain the word ALLAH and/or some ayaat (or part of ayaat) of the Quran. Hence the way that I know of disposing is via burning.

Normally if we come across any suspicious object, we would recite doa for protection before we touch or carry the item. After that "neutralise" and dispose.

Doa for protection such as below:
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Note: the above doa can be found in hadith Tirmidzi
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wallaahu a'lam

[xquFzpNw]

respected brother (Maulana?) Silat.

If I may ask, what is your (and that of the other scholars at the madrasah you study/teach in) stance with regards to ta'wizat?
The ones you are talking about are "evil" ta'wizat (using jinns etc,) but you still deem it permissible to write/use ta'wizat which are lawful, or do you think that every ta'wiz is haram?

[BariGrootrego]

wa'alaykum salam bro umar_italy (p.s, just call me bro).

Ulama differ opinions on this matter.
But you want to know what our stance is... My teacher (and so are his students) are of the opinion that tawiz is PROHIBITED, even though the ta'wiz uses only writings of ayaat ul-Qur'an (and has no association with jinns)

wallaahu a'lam

[Unamannuato]

But you want to know what our stance is... We are of the opinion that tawiz is PROHIBITED, even though the ta'wiz uses only writings of ayaat ul-Qur'an (and has no association with jinns)

wallaahu a'lam

bro. So your stance is even ta'wiz with only Quran is also prohibited?

Bro, the dua mentioned above, can a layperson also use it to neutralize materials of sihr? Or is it best to call an expert?

[quack!]

bro. So your stance is even ta'wiz with only Quran is also prohibited?

Bro, the dua mentioned above, can a layperson also use it to neutralize materials of sihr? Or is it best to call an expert?

wa'alaykumus salaam bro.

-- Yes. That is the opinion that we hold.
In times of the Prophet s.a.w., the sahabah r.a.hum had very strong imaan and pious mahool. But in our time today, muslims do not have the same imaan and pious mahool/environment/atmosphere. Hence, we worry that reliance on ta'wiz/talisman may affect the yaqeen of general people. People will rely and have tawakkul on these amulets rather than have total reliance to ALLAH s.w.t.

-- we usually use different ruqyah in our effort to neutralize sihr materials.
The do'a above is for our protection should we need to HANDLE the sihr material.
Best would be to leave to people with proper knowledge/training to do it. But with correct yaqeen, proper a'maal and correct knowledge, any muslims can do insya ALLAH.

Wallaahu a'lam

[QRhnNSg9]

wa'alaykum salam bro umar_italy (p.s, just call me bro).

Ulama differ opinions on this matter.
But you want to know what our stance is... My teacher (and so are his students) are of the opinion that tawiz is PROHIBITED, even though the ta'wiz uses only writings of ayaat ul-Qur'an (and has no association with jinns)

wallaahu a'lam

wa'alaykumus salaam bro.

-- Yes. That is the opinion that we hold.
In times of the Prophet s.a.w., the sahabah r.a.hum had very strong imaan and pious mahool. But in our time today, muslims do not have the same imaan and pious mahool/environment/atmosphere. Hence, we worry that reliance on ta'wiz/talisman may affect the yaqeen of general people. People will rely and have tawakkul on these amulets rather than have total reliance to ALLAH s.w.t.

for your explaination.
So, if I understand correctly, you don't deem them impermissible in themselves, but due to today's circumstances/environment, right?

I'm asking because so far I'd got the impression that only Salafis deem ta'wizat as impermissible "no matter what", so I'm interested in your take as Shawafi'.

[Suentiend]

for your explaination.
So, if I understand correctly, you don't deem them impermissible in themselves, but due to today's circumstances/environment, right?

I'm asking because so far I'd got the impression that only Salafis deem ta'wizat as impermissible "no matter what", so I'm interested in your take as Shawafi'.

wa'alaykum assalaam bro umar_italy.

You seem to be very interested on the hukum of ta'wizat. May ALLAH showers HIS blessing upon you and always guide you to the right path.

If you really want to know the hukum, it is best that you consult with people of authority such as muftis who have vast dan deep knowledge on ahkaam of Islam.

On salafis and impermissible ta'wizat, I do not know that ONLY salafis are of the opinion that ta'wizat are impermissible "no matter what". Does anyone know if there is any non salafis 'aalem who hold the same opinion ?

For the sake of discussion, IMHO suffice to say that on this matter (taweez), ulama have different opinions.
There are ahadith that support one opinion, and in different ahadith support the view of the other group.
Among the sahabah r.a.hum and ulama rah., there are of the opinion that it is permissible and another view that it is not permissible (hence IMHO, I do not think that it is exclusively salafis opinion)

Those who of the opinion that it is impermissible (ie forbidden), this view is supported by Abdullah ibn Mas'ud r.a., Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal rah and others.
And this group states that one of method of fiqh is Sadd al-Zaraai' (preventing from harmful), especially on matters that are harming the aqeedah. This method permits the prohibition, prevention of something being acted upon that can lead to shirk.

Those who of the opinion that it is permissible, is supported by Abdullah bin Amru bin al-As r.a., Ja'far al-Baqir and Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal rah. Their view that it is permissible because in time of Rasulullah s.a.w. there were some sahabah r.a.hum who gave ta'wizat to their children who have not mastered the Qur'an, to wear the ta'wiz.

wallaahu a'lam.

[TSVIDeo]

Here it says they are ALWAYS prohibited:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlqcRW1SS3I

@Umar-Italy: yes,I am iubelo from your forum.You are a better detective than Colombo and Derrick together! ;-)

Yasir Qadhi is a Salafi. His opinions are irrelevant when talking about the opinions of the madhahib.

[FloareTraurne]

Here it says they are ALWAYS prohibited:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlqcRW1SS3I

You shall already know I disagree with their stances.

@Umar-Italy: yes,I am iubelo from your forum.You are a better detective than Colombo and Derrick together! ;-)

Yeah I was quite sure; nice to see you around again, hope you are doing well!

wa'alaykum assalaam bro umar_italy.

You seem to be very interested on the hukum of ta'wizat. May ALLAH showers HIS blessing upon you and always guide you to the right path.

If you really want to know the hukum, it is best that you consult with people of authority such as muftis who have vast dan deep knowledge on ahkaam of Islam.

Amin, .
My mind is quite clear on the issue and I've already discussed it (Allah knows best, obviously); as I said, I was just curious to know your take as "traditional Shawafi'" on the issue, as so far had only been exposed to Salafi and Hanafi understanding.

[Geetiill]

His opinions are NOT irrelevant because he is learned and sticks to the original sources;besides that,I do not consider the term Salafi as derogatory at all......

I was not being derogatory. It is just that Salafis do not have a say in what the madhahib say. He can stick to his understanding of the original sources and the madhahib will stick to their understanding of the original sources. You seem to be implying that he has a monopoly on sticking with the original sources when in fact, the madhahib do just that - but they have a much longer history and a much stronger scholarly base.

[mikaelluioy]

Is taking a paracetamol tablet for a headache or carrying one in the pocket to take when some pain occurs also shirk?

No, because we hope that Allah swt has put a cure in the tablet and that it will work with the power of Allah. The same can be said about these taweez and other items you show in this thread...there might be techniques like the ones involved in the design and manufacture of paracetamol tablets involved in these taweez which work. It is only shirk if someone believes the taweez itself gave protection or the cure, similarly it is shirk if someone believes the paracetamol itself cured someone. Trying to make people mushriks when they may not be is a dangerous habit.

[nancywind]

Here it says they are ALWAYS prohibited:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlqcRW1SS3I

@Umar-Italy: yes,I am iubelo from your forum.You are a better detective than Colombo and Derrick together! ;-)

Assalamu alaykum


What is the ruling on wearing a ta’weez. People have the belief that wearing a string round the neck will protect them, when surely Allah protects. Please tell me the ruling on wearing this, many people have dislike in this and say that it is shirk.


Answer: In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful

Hanging or wearing of amulets (ta’wiz) is normally permissible for protection or healing provided certain conditions are met:

a) that they consist of the names of Allah Almighty or his attribute
b) that they are in Arabic c) that they do not consist of anything that is Kufr
d) the user does not believe the words have any affect in themselves, but are empowered to do so by Allah Most High.


It is narrated from Amr ibn Shu’ayb, from his father, from his grandfather (Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (Allah be pleased with them all), that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to teach them (the Sahabas) for fearful situations the following words:
“I seek refuge in Allah’s perfect words from His wrath, the evil of his servants, the whispered insinuations of devils, and that they come to me”

Abdullah ibn Amr used to teach these words to those of his sons who had reached the age of reason, and used to write them and hang them upon those who had not reached the age of reason (narrated by Abu Dawud & Tirmizi, and Tirmizi classed it as an authentic narration).

In the of the Musannaf of Abu Bakr ibn Abi Shayba, the permissibility of hanging Ta’wizes is reported from many of the Companions and early Muslims (Salaf), including:

Sa’id ibn al-Musayyib, Ata', Mujahid, Abd Allah ibn Amr, Ibn Sirin, Ubaydullah ibn Abd Allah ibn Umar, and others (Allah be well pleased with them all). [Musannaf, 5.439].

Due to the above, most of the scholars have declared the using of amulets (ta’wiz) permissible as long as the conditions are met. It is similar to using medication which is permissible and not against the concept of Tawakkul or Tawhid.
However, it is not permissible to regard the Ta’wiz to be effective in it self, just as it is not permissible to regard medicines to be effective in them selves.

As for that which is reported from some, including Ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him), that hanging ta’wizes is shirk, this is understood to mean those Ta’wizes that resemble the one's used in Jahiliyya, or if used thinking that it is the ta’wiz itself that cures or protects, not Allah, or if it contains impermissible invocations or one's whose meaning is not known.

The great Hanafi Jurist, Ibn Abidin states:

“Using of Ta’wizes will be impermissible if they are written in a non-Arabic language in that its meaning is not known. They may consist of black magic, disbelief or impermissible invocations. However, if they consist of Qur’anic verses or prescribed supplications (duas), then there is nothing wrong with using them (Radd al-Muhtar).

Imam Ibn Taymiyya (Allah have mercy on him) says in his Fatawa:
“It is permissible for an ill or troubled person that certain verses from the Qur’an are written with pure ink, then it is washed and given to the ill to drink. Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have mentioned a certain Dua that should be written and placed close to the woman who is experiencing hard labour at the time of giving birth.

Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) says:
This Dua should be written and tied to the arm of the woman. We have experienced that there is nothing more amazing then this” (Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, 19/65).

Ibn Taymiyya’s student Imam Ibn al-Qayyim also narrates the permissibility of using Ta’wizes from a number of salafs including the great Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (Allah have mercy on him). Thereafter Ibn al-Qayyim himself quotes various Ta’wizes (Zad al-Ma’ad, 3/180).

In view of the foregoing, it becomes clear that generally using of Ta’wizes is not something that is impermissible and Shirk. However, it is necessary that the above mentioned conditions are met.

Today we have people who are victims of immoderation. There are some people who declare all types of Ta’wizes to be Shirk and Kufr. Others, on the other hand, think Ta’wizes to be everything. Both these types of understandings are incorrect.

Using of Ta’wizes is permissible, but with moderation. Normally it is better to recite the Duas which are prescribed for every problem and illness, and along with that resort to medical treatment. However, if Ta’wizes are used sometimes, then it is permissible.

If there is a fear that a person will begin to think the Ta’wizes to be effective in it self, then he should not be given the Ta’wiz. This will be the decision of the person who is giving the Ta’wiz, and not for us to decide for him.

There are many ignorant people who never make Dua and are neglectful of the Shari’ah injunctions, but always depend on Ta’wizes. For such people, it is better not to give them Ta’wizes, rather to direct them to the straight path.

Once, a sister asked me to mention to her a Dua or write something for her in order to get married to someone she desired, and she also mentioned that her Duas were not being answered.

I asked: “Do you cover your self when you emerge out of your home”, no, was the reply.
I said: “Do you perform your Salat (Prayers)”. Again, “no” was the reply.
I said: “From tomorrow, you make this special Dua after the Fajr Salat, and you carry on performing this for 6 months, and Insha Allah your Dua will be accepted. Also a very Important Ta’wiz is that you recite a certain Dua and blow on your scarf and wear that scarf when emerging out of your home”!

In conclusion, generally it is permissible to use amulets (Ta’wizes). However, if there is something that is impermissible, then it will not be allowed.
And Allah Knows Best.

[Golotop]

It is sad to take paracetamol and hope it will cure you...but Allah causes a cure through it sometimes. Stop being such a know it all and judgemental...you do not know what people believe you are thankfully not a policeman of thoughts and beliefs.

You believe a car for example takes you from a to b. You think the oil or petrol moved the car from a to b. In actual fact it is Allah who moves the car and without Him no movement would occur. Do you believe this firmly or are you a mushrik?

It is sad to wear these useless things and put one's hope and trust in them.Besides,read these quotes:

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cr...T1-chap-06.htm

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cr...T1-chap-05.htm

http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cr...T1-chap-06.htm

[Ggskbpbz]

Amazing, you know from the internet that I lack iman? I do not have any taweez, however I do not criticise those who do, unless I know for certain that they claim that the taweez itself cured them or protected them. There is only one Power and Streghth in the whole universe.

Take your talismans,clean them well,kiss them,hug them,say kind words wit a smile on your face to them and do hope they'll protect you in case of a disgrace affects you(which I do not hope for you).I sincerely pity you for your lack of iman!

[Kvkcgktl]

This is interesting;

http://islamq a.com/en/ref/10543/amulets

they themselves quote Companions permitting Ta'weedh and at the most quoted Companions that view Ta'weedh as Makruh, despite knowing these two opinions from the Sahaabah they opted to say Haram , weird.

[fedelwfget]

So,why do people need men-made objects to allegedly protect them?I was not calling you a mushrik;but people who wear these abominations definitely are!You surely know that the Prophet(pbuh)one day met a group of men and accepted their baya except for one of them.They asked him why and his response was :"He is wearing an amulet!"Besides this there are loads of hadiths where amulets are clearly deemed as impermissible.

This has been explained by the 'Ulama to be an amulet from Jahiliyyah, and by consensus this is Haram to wear. i.e. it contained some Jahilistic "mumbo jumbo" (as the Scholars of Islamqa want to call it).

[YmolafBp]

We need not learn from videos. If you have watched and learned from the video reply to my earlier posts on Ibn taimiyah.

[ricochettty]

Why should I?Because you tell me so?I am happy if the videos i posted,made by speakers far more learned than you and me,help someone avoid shirk.Period.

And what suffices us is Scholars far more knowledgeable than them.