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replicamuse 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

Protect the Banks at All Costs
 
http://azizonomics.com/2012/08/27/pr...-at-all-costs/


Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob a country.


Those are the very true words that two weeks ago had a man in Pennsylvania arrested. His purported crime? Terroristic threats, and the attempted robbery of the bank he was protesting!

From CBS:

An Occupy Easton protester faces an attempted bank robbery charge following an arrest at an organized event at a bank – during which the “Occupier” was holding a sign that reportedly read “You’re being robbed.”

According to The Express-Times, Dave Gorczynski allegedly held cardboard signs outside a Wells Fargo Branch that read, “You’re being robbed,” while the other said, “Give a man a gun, he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob a country.”

Occupy Easton reports on their Facebook page that Gorczynski “was at the bank protesting the theft of our tax dollars, our homes, and our economy by the criminal banksters.”

Welcome to the new America — where banks must be protected at all costs. Whether it’s a bailout or a trumped up charge to silence a protestor, if the banks want it, they get it.


The district attorney in the case has dropped the charge of attempted robbery. However, a terroristic threat charge remains.

Meanwhile, the economic evidence is mounting that countries that want to recover need to tell the banks to take a hike.

Joe Stiglitz notes:

What Iceland did was right. It would have been wrong to burden future generations with the mistakes of the financial system.

And Paul Krugman writes:

What Iceland’s recovery demonstrated was the case for letting creditors of private banks gone wild eat the losses.

A funny thing happened on the way to economic Armageddon: Iceland’s very desperation made conventional behavior impossible, freeing the nation to break the rules. Where everyone else bailed out the bankers and made the public pay the price, Iceland let the banks go bust and actually expanded its social safety net. Where everyone else was fixated on trying to placate international investors, Iceland imposed temporary controls on the movement of capital to give itself room to maneuver.

Krugman, it seems — after years of defending bank bailouts — is learning.

But what hope is there of telling the banks to take a hike when law enforcement, politicians and courts will gladly arrest, charge and try an anti-bank protestor exercising their constitutional right to free speech?

Law enforcement, politicians and courts have it upside down. It isn’t banks that need protection from protestors. It’s citizens that need protection from the banks.

gluckmeea 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

This is an interesting subject yet Muslims do not appear to speak about it.

janeloveslifenow 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

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This is an interesting subject yet Muslims do not appear to speak about it.
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most muslims, and also most non-muslims, do not understand the banking system and the hold that they have over the economy and over the people.

to get muslims interested, it needs to be explained to them, in layman terms, exactly what the system entails from the beginning to the end.

i have tried to understand it through articles and youtube videos, but the more i have learnt, the more it gets confusing.

please start a thread explaining this system in a concise, uncomplicated way, that most people will be able to understand. maybe then people will be able to respond better to these types of treads.

ligaliaCods 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

I am no expert myself I just understand the basics and know that it is a huge scam.

What exactly do you want to know?

Money used to be based on something real tangible like gold, silver, tobacco, sea shells, wheat etc. None of these tangible things can be created by someone...they need to be dug out of the ground and energy needs to be expended (and money needs to be spent).

Then the early goldsmiths had strong rooms. People started to leave their gold and silver in the strong room for safe keeping and they paid the goldsmith a small charge. The gold smith would give them a paper reciept...X has £20 of gold in my storage. X then started to buy things in the market place and instead of getting the gold just paid with the paper receipt....This become the first paper money..it was fully backed by gold or silver.

The goldsmith noticed that the gold and silver remained in their storage for years without anyone using it. They came up with an idea to make more money for themselves...they started to become banks....They printed more paper receipts than they had gold or silver in storage (or reserve) and they strated to loan those receipts out to people for a charge of interest. As long as everybody did not all at once come to the bank and demand their physical gold/silver the bank could continue to use this method. This is known as Fractional Reserve Banking.

Central Banks help to create a cartel...so if any bank is in trouble the other banks can help it out with funds. The central bank itself also creates monet from nothing just like the private banks. When men have this power to create money from nothing and to loan it out by charging interest they will abuse it.

Jellowstrom 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

from how i have understood it, and i probably misunderstood quite a bit of it so do correct me...
also i have not written it in a very coordinated manner. just writing down whats in my head...

the current monetary system has moved beyond what you have described. now they blatantly print money and give it value out of thin air. for this system to work, or for this lie to work, everyone involved have to buy into this lie or it would collapse. on an international scale, all the countries that trade with each other have to buy into and support this lie. if any country who are part of this chain reject this fake economy, then this monetary system will be weakened, and those countries whose fake economy are deemed to be the strongest, for whatever reason, will not be able to have a hold (which they had before) over the resources of the country that has taken itself out of this system. trade sanctions are placed on countries that are not part of this system, as an influx of (uncontrolled) money and resources into the system, which are not part of this system, would create problems in the balance of the system.

now this system would not be be a problem if the bankers did not impose it on others and did not control the creation of the currency used in this system...
my kids play a game where they use stones that they find and use them to 'buy' things from each other. they mutually assign different values to different types of stones. they each have the same opportunity and 'rights' to find these stones that they use as their 'currency'. they individually set their own 'prices' for the things that they 'sell' to each other. they are not compelled or forced to 'trade' with this 'currency' and do so at their own will. they do not try to forcefully impose this 'currency' on me or anyone else who is not taking part in the game. as a result, they have no control or 'buying' power over the things that i possess...
now the bankers do things differently. only THEY have the power to create the currency we use. no one else has the right to create this currency. everyone else must earn this currency in one way or another EXCEPT FOR THEM! by having the right to create this currency, and imposing it on everyone else (through different means such was sanctions and war), they get to control ALL the resources of the countries that are part of this system.

now for some reason most of the governments of the world have bought into this monetary system. ( i do not know why. could be a number of many different things such as mutual benefit or even something more sinister.) they have given full rights to the bankers to create this currency out of thin air and force it upon the people. the money is distributed by the bankers as interest based loans and it eventually trickles into use by getting distributed into the public. the original loan and interest generated by this money that has been created out of thin air has to be paid back by the people, through the government. we are told that it is paid back through taxes. but it is impossible to pay it back through taxes within a closed system because only the bankers have the right to generate this money and distribute it. if i loan you £10 and want to be repaid £20 then the extra £10 has to come from somewhere. if you borrow a further £10 from me to pay back the loan and the interest, then i will charge another £10 interest on the second loan so you now owe me £40!!! the money to repay the loan and interest to the bankers has to come from outside, i.e a different country and not from the bankers themselves, otherwise that country will be perpetually in debt. BUT, seeing as though the bankers also control the money of the rest of the world, the world as a whole will always be in debt to the bankers under this system. one country might be better off than another, but as a race, humanity will be UNDER CONSTANT RIBAH BASED DEBT!

each time more money is generated, it dilutes the economy and creates something called inflation. inflation, according to my understanding, is when the price of goods are adjusted to reflect the power of the money that is used to buy them. they do this because as more money is generated, the power of the money decreases, because there is more money in the system, but the resources and goods that is bought with that money does not increase as the money increases. the amount of things that the money can buy remains the same. so they increase the price of goods and resources so that the amount of money in circulation reflects the amount of resources and goods that are actually available. when inflation takes effect, the money that you and i have been saving, suddenly does not reflect the time and effort that we put behind to earn it. suddenly, the amount of goods we can buy with the money that we saved up decreases in comparison to the year before, and as each year goes by, it keeps on decreasing!
whereas the bankers and those higher up in the chain, take advantage of inflation. they generate money, and with this money they buy goods in something called the 'futures market'. from what i have understood, futures market allow the bankers and friends to buy goods at the current price before inflation, but the goods are produced in the future and they take ownership of the goods in the future. when they take ownership of the goods, inflation kicks in, and the goods are then priced at a higher rate than what was initially paid for them before inflation. they then sell the goods at the higher rate thus taking advantage of inflation, and as it is always the case, the people lower down in the monetary classes end up bearing the brunt for inflation.

through this system of theirs, every man, woman and child is enslaved by this system. they have made conditions such that it is almost impossible to break away from this system. every child that is born, is born into this slavery and has to pay for the debt that has been created even before they were born! this system is a system of ribah - usury - interest! without this, this system cannot survive. i personally believe that this system is one of the greatest fitnah to fall upon our ummah.

Hazrat Abu Hurairah r.a. reported that the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him said : A time will certainly come over the people when none will remain who will not devour usury. If he does not devour it, its vapour will overtake him. [Ahmed,Abu Dawood,Nisai,Ibn Majah]







i will edit this post and add some more later.

Aniplinipsync 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

Yes this is how it is imposed on us. Bankers have used all types of tricks and wars to get this system installed in all countries...they even created the nation-state as an entity to help their banking system to take root. National governments especially democracies serve the bankers and their interests. This is why democracies are promoted by them globally, they also promote sexual promiscuity, sport and consumerism (getting people in debt) because it allows them to economically control people.

Because democracies allow everyone to vote, they are easily subverted..lots of people who vote are incompetent and know very little about government...this allows the rich bankers to get their people in power.

The Opening Post speaks about Iceland, when its private banking system exploded...Europe..especially the British government wanted Icelands people to bail their banks out....pay massive taxes for generations...and face austerity (cuts in government spending on education and health). The people of Iceland refused and things have not been as bad as they would have been if they had bailed them out. They have also innovated a new form of democracy in Iceland which looks as if it works allot better than other democracies in terms of corruption.


I hour documentary on Iceland and its rejection of Bankers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGwMI...ature=youtu.be


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