aoa,

firstly im not a barelvi. but i read your link and a barelvi link which seem to say similar things so now im confused. Have a look at their link:
http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/noor-...rasoolalah.php

i'll quote a line:
"However, it is often at this point, that those who oppose this view believe from some erroneous conviction that they hold, that we claim the Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] was not human!! This is indeed strange and a gross accusation. For those who claim that he was not a human, have clearly ventured out of the bounds of Islam, and have entered into Kuffr. The belief of Ahl As-Sunnah Wa’l Jamma is that the Noble Prophet Muhammad [May Allah bless him and grant him peace] is Noor and human - as we shall now seek to demonstrate."

and in your article it is claimed:
"Hence, my belief is that Rasulullaah (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam) is a combination of both human and Noor."

i agree with everything your article said except this one line. whereas in the lines preceding this it was in itself written that the 'Noor' is the guidance. but immediately in the next line it is stated he was both human and noor. this is confusing.

let me ask you two things: He (saw) was made of mitti (mud) just like all human being. yes or no?
the 'noor' referred often is his guidance: yes or no?

I understand that the barelvis think he was literally made out of Noor. which is false. He was a human being. I however dont think they consider him not human. but that he was made of Noor and had body of a human. They take the word literally. Rest of what they believe is also false.

Moreover, what is the belief of deoband and the salafis regarding the Prophet (PBUH) created before Adam (As)?its very hard to find anything solid as you dont know which articles are barelvi infulenced or not. i'll be glad if someone can help me herehttp://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...icon_smile.gif

Plz note im not bashing your article just confused about what i read in yours

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
Noor as in how the Christians believe the Father The son and the Holy ghost!!??

no, that isnt the meaning implied here.

Ibn Mohammad bin Abdul Wahhab al Najdi writes,

There is a Hadith in which RasoolAllah (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) stated: 'I was a Prophet even when Adam 'alaihi salaam was between clay and water (i.e. in the process of being created) [“This Hadith is transmitted by Tirmidhi, Muktaser Sirat-al-Rasool by Ibn Muhammad ibn Mohammad bin Abdul Wahhab al Najdi, Baihaqi, Ahmad, Hakim and Dhahabi declare it to be Sahih”]

Prophet (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) stated: 'I have always been amongst the good (group), and my Noor was present even before Adam 'alaihi salaam'.

[“Qadhi Iyyad from Tabari Al-shifa Chap, Millad-un Nabi”]

The Companions used to call Prophet [May Allah bless him and grant Him peace] Noor

When RasoolAllah Sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam had passed away, the following Na'ats were recited. Imam Ibn Sa’ad writes, Hassaan Bin Thaabit RadhiAllahu 'anhu recited:

“Who can compare to the one who was Noor, the one from whom light was extracted. There were blessings in his commands and he was our guide and Warner. He was such a Noor that his light shone upon the whole of the creation. The person who has shown us the path of this blessed (Noor) attained success. He was the light, he was the Noor. It is his footsteps that we follow, and after Allah, he was our ears and eyes.'

Ka'ab bin Malik RadhiAllahu 'anhu stated: 'He was Basheerun /Nazeer and the rays of his Noor kept us enlightened. Allah saved us through his blessings of Noor, and through his mercy obtained salvation from the fire of Hell'.

Arwa Bint Abdul Muttalib radhiAllahu 'anha stated: 'If I weep, then it is for him who was the Noor for all the nations, he was the Messenger of Allah and his name was Ahmad, let me remain in this state of mind'.

Aatiqa Bint Abdul Muttalib RadhiAllahu 'anha: stated 'O my eyes! Weep! For the one who was the selected Noor, who was from the children of Hashim'.

Safiya Bint Abdul Muttalib radhiAllahu 'anha: stated 'Upon the one with whom Allah is pleased, the one upon guidance and piety, the one who brought the light of guidance after darkness'.

Hind Bint Usaasa Bin Abdul Muttalib RadhiAllahu 'anha: stated 'He was the moon of the fourteenth night, such a Noor from which light was extracted and by the Lord he was bestowed with the Book'. [“Tabqaat Ibn Sa'ad chapter Wafat-An-Nabi”]

Everything contained in this chapter is evidence in support of the fact that the Noor of RasoolAllah (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) was present long before human creation. For this reason the Ahl-as-Sunnah believe that although RasoolAllah (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) was a human being (bashar), it is also justified to call him Noor.

This was the reality of the creed of Noor, which is the belief of the Ahl-as-Sunnah wa 'al Jamaa'ah. The final question we ask if it is kufr to have such belief, can all the Scholars whose names and references given, also be classified as Kaafirs?

nice blog. inShallah I will spread it around

Barelvis and their ilk say the Prophet http://www.discussworldissues.com/fo...ilies/pbuh.gif was literally Noor (some say literally Noor of Allah) clothed in the garment of humaness. So this is is why they say the Prophet is both noor and human.

Sunnis say Noor means guidance. And it is in this sense the Prophet is both noor and human.

thats what i though too...thnx for the clarification...ramzan mubarak!

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Can you please translate this from urdu wasiyyath

http://www.defendersofislam.com/TPL/...AZ&PageIndex=2

so you think there is nothing wrong with the translation?

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well worth a read too http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/diffumm.pdf