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MaigicyuNinia 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

Extremism can drive people right out of Islam
 
Extremism can drive people right out of Islam. In 1999 the Conference of French Catholic bishops announced that 300 Algerians were among the year's Easter baptisms. Noting that ten years earlier Muslims never converted at all, they reported that the change was the result of the spread of extreme forms of Islam in Algeria.

In Afghanistan, too, there are now Christians for the first time ever, and I have heard from one ex-Taliban member that this is because of the extremism with which Islam is imposed on the people. The shift away from traditional Islam, and towards Ibn Taymiya's position, has been widely documented, for instance by Ahmad Rashid, in his chapter 'Challenging Islam', in his book on the Taliban. The Saudi-Wahhabi connection has been very conspicuous.

http://masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/recapturing.htm

7kitthuptarill 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

nice attempt at propaganda against salafis.

Taliban are sufi hanafis btw.

afghanistan is under occupation by west. that is why christianity is easily spreading there. was it spreading while taliban ruled?

what sheer dishonesty to put the blame on taliban and trying to show as if their policies led to it when they aren't even in power!

you want to see how christianity is spread in afg take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tN3G0b55Bs

Michaelnewerb 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

The video is like a madressa run by Christians.

salafis are extremists, some say they are like the khawarij.

maonnjtip 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

Sahih Bukhari 90

Narrated Abu Masud Al-Ansari
Once a man said to Allah's Apostle "O Allah's Apostle! I may not attend the prayer because so and so prolongs the prayer when he leads us for it. The narrator added: "I never saw the Prophet more furious in giving advice than he was on that day. The Prophet said, "O people! Some of you make others dislike good deeds. So whoever leads the people in prayer should shorten it because among them there are the sick the weak and the needy ."

mpegdvdclip 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

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salafis are extremists, some say they are like the khawarij.
these both points are uneducated opinions and a slander on salafis. i gave you a very good article to read which you dismissed as 'difficult to read'. and now you again repeat here they are 'like khwarij'.

zilsolley3 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

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these both points are uneducated opinions and a slander on salafis. i gave you a very good article to read which you dismissed as 'difficult to read'. and now you again repeat here they are 'like khwarij'.
It is an opinion given by scholars.

These were the antecedents of some of the salafis today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikhwan_Revolt

nasxbrtyol 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

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It is an opinion given by scholars.

These were the antecedents of some of the salafis today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikhwan_Revolt
barelvis say indo-pak salafis are kafir.
they are also scholars.

are they correct?

do not say 'given by scholars' as though it is a final judgement on something.

extremists exist in any group. and there both extremes: too harsh and too mild.

Ikhqgvas 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

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barelvis say indo-pak salafis are kafir.
they are also scholars.

are they correct?

do not say 'given by scholars' as though it is a final judgement on something.

extremists exist in any group. and there both extremes: too harsh and too mild.
I would not call them kafir, some scholars do claim that some of their anthropomorphic beliefs are problematic. The first salafis in Saudi killed Muslims and slaughtered them as kafirun. Khawarij do this. The current Salafis admire and follow these earlier Salafis or wahabis who are from the najd...so they are upon the same manhaj. My brother was a staunch salafi..maybe no so much now...but I am aware of all the arguments they use....they consider most Muslims to be mushriks.

Snuddyentaine 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

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I would not call them kafir, some scholars do claim that some of their anthropomorphic beliefs are problematic. The first salafis in Saudi killed Muslims and slaughtered them as kafirun. Khawarij do this. The current Salafis admire and follow these earlier Salafis or wahabis who are from the najd...so they are upon the same manhaj. My brother was a staunch salafi..maybe no so much now...but I am aware of all the arguments they use....they consider most Muslims to be mushriks.
You have a very poor understanding of Salafism if that is what you've come to know of them. Salafis are anything but a monolith. And your claim that Salafis "consider most Muslims to be mushriks" is an outright lie, otherwise I can say that some self-proclaimed Sunnis consider most Muslims to be kaafir (such as the Barelvis and the Ahbash).

yatrahnualenu 09-04-2012 02:56 AM

Regardless of whether or not Salafiyyah is 'Extreme' or not, I have witnessed individuals who have entered into Salafiyyah, then after a couple of years become very moderate/liberal muslims.

Allah save us, Ameen.


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