[wowwieholmes]

When we said Music in Islam is forbidden / haram, brother Auzer responded with this...

Well obviously! I don't expect "Lakeer k faqeers" to like my comments ...

People here on this forum are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo narrow-minded that it is not even funny anymore ...

So basically , even listening to Music is haram , watching T.V is haram , playing Video Games is haram , dancing is haram , etc ..everything is haram haram haram haram haram....Is there ANYTHING your pathetic interpretation of Islam allows? What should people do to enjoy their lives? Oh no , enjoying life is also haram ....

This isn't the first time I have heard someone call me or the majority of us here as 'narrow minded' - this is so amusing and vile at the same time, why are we branded narrow minded when:

1. when we [including our women] are as educated [worldly terms] as you or perhaps even more so.

2. we go to or have been to the same universities.

3. we are as wealthy [worldly terms] or perhaps more wealthy than you.

4. when our cities are also places of fitnah or we if we wanted can also have access to strip clubs, lounge bars & IMAX's.

5. we too have access to high speed unlimited broadband and if we wanted can have plasma TV's & dedicated Music systems, not to speak of Computers in various forms.

6. we go to the same jobs more or less.

7. we too live amongst or have to deal [in our work places] with scantily clad women or lecherous men [depending on who you are].

8. we too have:

- 22 Cranial and Facial Bones

- 6 Ear Bones

- 1 Throat Bone

- 4 Shoulder Bones

- 25 Chest Bones

- 26 Vertebral Bones

- 6 Arm and Forearm bones

- 54 Hand Bones

- 2 Pelvic Bones

- 8 Leg Bones

- 52 Foot Bones

and yet we do not want to dance because it is HARAM in Islam.

9. we too can have Gillette's & trimmers, yet we want to keep a beard.

10. we too can have multiple social networking accounts & access to adult networking sites, yet we Alhamdulillah don't do that.

11. we too can have lavish weddings, yet we don't.

12. we....the list can go on and on.

The problem with some people like Auzer & Co. is they think we are born Saints - which we are not, we have chosen to follow, we have chosen to practice, many have left behind their Non-deeni way of life. The problem with them is if they can't practice upon something they can't accept that others are doing so.

They can't accept Allah SWT can grant people enjoyment / people can enjoy within the boundaries of Shariah.

They can't accept people can enjoy the company of the Ulamah.

They can't accept people can enjoy Dhikrullah as much as or more than they enjoy Music.

However I am glad there are some scholars out there past and present who permit music within limits, because as someone who tries to encourage people to become Muslims I know that the prohibition against music is one big stumbling block for some potential Muslims. Especially for those whom music has been a big part of their lives.

@Abdul1234, its unbelievable how you can say that. Non-Muslims will accept it or don't - THEY AREN'T OR WILL NOT BE DOING A FAVOR TO ALLAH SWT BY ACCEPTING ISLAM - RATHER THEY WILL BE DOING THEMSELVES A FAVOR. Deen won't changed for them. Perhaps [I could be wrong here - I'm no Scholar] they can go through a transition phase, but Music is Haram and will always be Haram until the last day. Perhaps, I have misunderstood you brother, correct me.

Encourage them to something much better [Dhikr] if they are finding it difficult to let go. But Music is haram, taboo, disallowed.

Please read this.



May Allah SWT grant us all guidance and keep us on it. Summa aamen.
I wish bro Auzer & Co. reflect upon their words.
Why is when people talk about Deen / Taqwa - they are branded as narrow minded? Where does this stupid thinking arise? Don't they know...

That we live in the same world as they do.


This small effort is for the sake of Allah SWT.

[ChexEcodece]

Assalamu alaykum

This isn't the first time I have heard someone call me or the majority of us here as 'narrow minded' - this is so amusing and vile at the same time, why are we branded narrow minded when: How happy we the narrow-minded are. Let them go and ask the people who have reached the peak of broad-mindedness. They are asking where to go from here, or can we return back to narrow-mind.

So we tell them, either practice what Islam says or learn it yourself the bitter way.

[Onervemurce]

True bro.

All i can say is i'd rather be "narrow minded" and live within a boundary than be "open minded" but live without boundary's.

The choice for a momin is simple!

[chootsonege]

VERY good post.

[Butiqueso]

A very thought provoking post. The fetters of the Shariah seem too constricting for people whose minds are straightjacketed in the 'liberal, enjoy your life' mindset. They do not realise that following the Shariah is the true liberation and that person finds unparalleled freedom.

[ChuttyAmult]

All thanks to Allah SWT that we are on the path of Huqq.

Assalamu alaykum

How happy we the narrow-minded are. Let them go and ask the people who have reached the peak of broad-mindedness. They are asking where to go from here, or can we return back to narrow-mind.

So we tell them, either practice what Islam says or learn it yourself the bitter way.

I have heard Maulana Tariq Jameel or Maulana Qasim Qureishi say...

"Aazaadi is barbaadi" [Freedom is destruction] that sums it up.

True bro.

All i can say is i'd rather be "narrow minded" and live within a boundary than be "open minded" but live without boundary's.

The choice for a momin is simple!

VERY good post.

All good is from Allah SWT.

[fkisjjdhh]

I was also noticing the 'liberal' trend in here, a lot of us are ashamed of Islam. We should remember why we were created to live in this world.

May Allah Ta'ala guide all of us. Ameen.

[ManituIKOL]

As Mawlana Yunus Patel many times use to say:

Be broad-minded, but don't be so broad-minded that your brains fall out.

[GarryPaterson]

As Mawlana Yunus Patel many times use to say:

Be broad-minded, but don't be so broad-minded that your brains fall out.

Hilarious!

May Allah SWT enshroud Hadrath Shaykh rh in His mercy. Summa aameen. We miss pro-active Ulamahs' like him.

[Borrinas]

A very thought provoking post. The fetters of the Shariah seem too constricting for people whose minds are straightjacketed in the 'liberal, enjoy your life' mindset. They do not realise that following the Shariah is the true liberation and that person finds unparalleled freedom.

There's nothing we can do more than this I feel except Duas.

[Taunteefrurge]

it is strange that those who think music is permitted do not know what music and under what circumstances is permitted and by whom.
a) permission of music by a few scholars does NOT mean it is permission to listen to metallica. or qawwalis containing shirk. yeah how many people know the person asked in qawwali is not 'mustaqil' and is an intermediary? asking people to listen to qawwali with a handbook on istigatha in their backpockets is ridiculous.
b) the opinions permitting music are minority and they.do.not.count. the fuqaha have given clear guidelines for that. it is ridiculous. someone once quoted imam dhahiri and a fatwa he gave which was his ijtihad and the fatwa was such that you read it and you knew it was wrong. it was so obvious. just like it is obvious when a 'scholar' permits usury because 'in modern times businesses cannot run w/o usury'. and then someone comes and says to both the opinions of this scholar and imam dhahiri, 'we have a valid difference of opinion', hence to each their own.
ironically that 'tolerance' doesnt stop them for condemning our (stronger) position. it is always 'you must accept permissibility of music aswell'.

mufti abu hajira totally dismantled claim of modernist regarding music in which ranks of scholars were discussed. i suggest searching for my thread 'imam ghazzali and music'.

[UvgpXK0J]

I was also noticing the 'liberal' trend in here, a lot of us are ashamed of Islam. We should remember why we were created to live in this world.

May Allah Ta'ala guide all of us. Ameen.

they are known as apologists.
one of their favorite arguments is 'let us worry about our own reformation before we should worry about criticizing others'
' dont criticize others. maybe they are closer to Allah (SWT) than you are' (usu the person criticized in such cases is doing something utterly haram)
' we need to preach tolerance and not intolerance like these bloody mullahs...you see i am a shining example of tolerance'
' do not judge others too quickly like the bloody mullahs...be tolerant like me'

one word: cancer.
they want acceptance from kuffar. the very acceptance that drove muslims out of spain.

[leoto5Fm]

The beautiful ayaat of the holy Quraan comes to mind

" Wa liman khaafa maqaama rabihi , wa nahan nafsa anil HAWA "

[numinertyuesk]

A very thought provoking post. The fetters of the Shariah seem too constricting for people whose minds are straightjacketed in the 'liberal, enjoy your life' mindset. They do not realise that following the Shariah is the true liberation and that person finds unparalleled freedom.

[horaAppagob]

these type of people fail to understand the following hadith

"This world is a prison for the believer and paradise for the non-believer"

[metropropuskruww]

there really is no them or we

only us

and we too may have been "broadminded" once

and we make istighfaar upon our misdeeds
and duas for our brothers and sisters

who knows whom allah will elevate or disgrace

and allah knows best

[Andrius]

Very well made post brother pluto. All words and interpretation is just plain wisdom.
JazakAllaah khair.

[codecouponqw]

there really is no them or we

only us

and we too may have been "broadminded" once

and we make istighfaar upon our misdeeds
and duas for our brothers and sisters

who knows whom allah will elevate or disgrace

and allah knows best

yes big bro, thats why I said we aren't born saints nor we are now.

[Fiipolera]

Classic example of making the Shariah comply with the desires of the Nafs. That is like making the Shariah bow down in front of the idol of Hawa. Nauzubillah min zaalik!

[DiatryDal]

there really is no them or we

only us

and we too may have been "broadminded" once

and we make istighfaar upon our misdeeds
and duas for our brothers and sisters

who knows whom allah will elevate or disgrace

and allah knows best

this is true...however it seems like the liberal people think that these "narrow minded" people have always been this way...or that they are like this because they have been brainwashed by their families from a young age...and brain washed by mullahs because they are uneducated themselves and just believe whatever the mullahs have told them

many of the "narrow minded" people lived the same liberal lifestyle before they opened their eyes to the reality of existence...many of them then studied Islam and found that music etc is haraam and have left it despite their love for it