[retyopj]

Asalamualikum, Verily Maulana Ali Mian (Rahmatulla alihi) is our seniormost elder and scholar. However with regards to the maslak of nadwa he himself has written a book -"Basair" in which it outlines the difference between nadwa and deoband. It tells us why nadwa was formed and in that it mentions its objective. So, we see a mixture of ideas in nadwa as it is not strict as compared to Deoband. But after all that, no criticism should be hauled towards the writer or the madaris.

[Kimeoffessyr]

Asalamualikum, Verily Maulana Ali Mian (Rahmatulla alihi) is our seniormost elder and scholar. However with regards to the maslak of nadwa he himself has written a book -"Basair" in which it outlines the difference between nadwa and deoband. It tells us why nadwa was formed and in that it mentions its objective. So, we see a mixture of ideas in nadwa as it is not strict as compared to Deoband. But after all that, no criticism should be hauled towards the writer or the madaris.

Walaikum assalaam,

Could You expand upon what you mean by "differences" ? What differences does the book you read make mention off?

[Hitfaromarf]

Walaikum assalaam,

Could You expand upon what you mean by "differences" ? What differences does the book you read make mention off?

Give me some time as I will try to translate it and then put it on.

[Hofonom]

Assalamu-'alaykum

I was stumbled upon by a question, a clear answer to which i could not find and that was:

Does nadwatul-ulama, in lakhnaw (lucknow, india), follow the maslak of the ulama of deoband?

Well, the reply seems to be positive according to the wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi , under the "history" section).

So, initially, i stuck to this opinion but then, later, i found conflicting statements, otherwise; i even saw a nadwi labeled as "ameer ahl-e-hadis" by some ghayr muqallidin. Then, i came up with the idea that Nadwa is a bit "moderate" kind of institution with some nadwis being deobandis, like maulana abul-hasan ali nadwi (also known as maulana ali mian) and maulana sulayman nadwi (who gave bay'ah to maulana hakimul-ummat, later in his life), but respectable brother Muadh khan seemed to oppose this view point as can be seen from his discussion on the following thread:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...highlight=abul

So, i turned to brother khanbaba, so he said

i think muad khan was wrong
mawlana mite have some views contrary to our ulama but over all he wass deobandi Then i turned to askimam, which replied as follows:



Question



Assalamu-'alaykum



Mufti sahib, can u plz tel that

1) What r the differences between deoband and nadwa?

2) And were some nadwis like maulana abulhasan ali nadwi associated with the deobandi maslik?


Wasslaam



Answer



In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful


Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatuh



Darul Uloom Deoband was founded in the year 1283A.H. This was during the rule of the English who’s mission was to eradicate Islam from India. Hadrat Mawlana Qasim Nanothwi رحمه الله تعالى started Darul Uloom Deoband with the sole mission of keeping the teachings of the Noble Quran and Sunnah alive in accordance with the belief of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah. This is the maslak of the Ulama of Deoband. Anybody who follows this path could be called a “Deobandi” even though he might not have studied in Deoband.



Students studying in various institutes link themselves to that institute. For example student of Deoband call themselves Qasmi’s, Mazahurul Uloom call themselves Mazahiri, students of Jalalabad call themselves Jalalabadi’s etc. but they are all Deobandi’s in that they all follow the school of thought of Deoband. In the same way students of Nadwatul Ulama call themselves Nadwi’s but they are also Deobandi’s.

And Allah knows best

Wassalam u Alaikum

Ml. Ishaq E. Moosa,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah
So, can any body add any information to answer my question?

Wasslaam

[JesexhiSeeces]

You guys shouldn't worry about the 'deobandi' stick.
Everywhere there is difference of opinion.

[TCjwwhcY]

Assalamu-'alaykum

I was stumbled upon by a question, a clear answer to which i could not find and that was:

Does nadwatul-ulama, in lakhnaw (lucknow, india), follow the maslak of the ulama of deoband?

Well, the reply seems to be positive according to the wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi , under the "history" section).

So, initially, i stuck to this opinion but then, later, i found conflicting statements, otherwise; i even saw a nadwi labeled as "ameer ahl-e-hadis" by some ghayr muqallidin. Then, i came up with the idea that Nadwa is a bit "moderate" kind of institution with some nadwis being deobandis, like maulana abul-hasan ali nadwi (also known as maulana ali mian) and maulana sulayman nadwi (who gave bay'ah to maulana hakimul-ummat, later in his life), but respectable brother Muadh khan seemed to oppose this view point as can be seen from his discussion on the following thread:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...highlight=abul

So, i turned to brother khanbaba, so he said



Then i turned to askimam, which replied as follows:





So, can any body add any information to answer my question?

Wasslaam

Asslamo Allaikum,

If you compare Deobandees, Barelwees & Ahl-e-Hadeeth then Nadwees are Deobandees.

Shaykh Abul-Hasan Ali Nadwi (RA) is probably more Deobandi because of his close-affiliations with Tableeghi Jamaat and Ulama at Deoband.

So Shaykh Mufti Ibraheem Desai (DB) & Khanbaba are right in that sense.

[TiepayWrary]

im sure ive read mufti hussain mention something about nadwa before.

Nadwa produces a mix of graduates........

Maulana abul hasan ali nadwi was clearly deobandi though he had good ties with the saudis.

these days nadwah produces a mix of various scholars. They are less orthodox than most deobandis and they are more similar to the syrians etc without the positive attitude to tasawuff.

Nadwah is a big mix but definitely a place with good potential. It is far better than most of the darulooms in the indopak and their standard of arabic is great. The imam of our masjid is a nadwah graduate and his arabic is a class above most maulanas that have studied in indopak darulooms.

The worrying thing about some nadwah people is their modernistic attitude i.e. cutting beard etc.

Shaykh akram nadwi has a book called madrasah life where he talks about his student life at nadwah. It is an interesting read.

[derty]

these days nadwah produces a mix of various scholars. They are less orthodox than most deobandis and they are more similar to the syrians etc without the positive attitude to tasawuff.

brother what do you mean by it? can you please elaborate it? do you mean in fiqh line?

[LookSe]

The worrying thing about some nadwah people is their modernistic attitude i.e. cutting beard etc.

I don't think these things are emphasised by the institute or maslak of Nadwat al-'Ulama.

Even Darul 'Uloom Bury is know for it's students to cut their beards in vacations. So, let's always differentiate.

[Svatudjw]

I don't think these things are emphasised by the institute or maslak of Nadwat al-'Ulama.

Even Darul 'Uloom Bury is know for it's students to cut their beards in vacations. So, let's always differentiate.

well bury is in england and nadwa is in india(even near deoband).

[Mymnnarry]

Even Darul 'Uloom Bury is know for it's students to cut their beards in vacations. So, let's always differentiate.

Where did you hear this bro?

Even if a few students do this then they're breaking the rules.
Their emphasis on the beard is no less than at any other DU.
Hadhrat Yusuf Motala (founder of DU Bury), whenever he meets anybody the first thing he looks at is their beard and if anything is hanging below the ankles, so do you think someone like him will tolerate beard-trimming at his institute.

[vioppyskype]

Where did you hear this bro?

Even if a few students do this then they're breaking the rules.
Their emphasis on the beard is no less than at any other DU.
Hadhrat Yusuf Motala (founder of DU Bury), whenever he meets anybody the first thing he looks at is their beard and if anything is hanging below the ankles, so do you think someone like him will tolerate beard-trimming at his institute.

Aye, if some students do that in their holidays, you cant associate that with the whole Darul Uloom.

[beepbeet]

Where did you hear this bro?

Even if a few students do this then they're breaking the rules.
Their emphasis on the beard is no less than at any other DU.
Hadhrat Yusuf Motala (founder of DU Bury), whenever he meets anybody the first thing he looks at is their beard and if anything is hanging below the ankles, so do you think someone like him will tolerate beard-trimming at his institute.

Huffaz from Dewsbury told me, wallahu alam. But that's not the point. I was just trying to draw a parallel. Just like Darul 'Uloom Bury graduates/students' neglecting to keep beard CAN NOT be associated with the institution, the same goes for Nadwatul 'Ulama.

[buyviagraonlineusatoday]

Basically, the actions of an institute should not be a basemark for the institute itself, unless the institute is advocating agreeing to the actions of the individuals.

[zoneouddy]

let me mention something.....

Some teachers in nadwah have short beards and trousers below ankles this is not the case in Bury.

As I said I think we should refer to hadhrat mufti husain saheb's answer which I have seen previously on the forum. It would be great if mufti saheb would comment on nadwah.

[Aleenkagirlla]

[QUOTE=True Life;363291]
Huffaz from Dewsbury told me, wallahu alamQUOTE]

That explains everything!

[yPuqQ248]

[QUOTE=True Life;363291]
Just like Darul 'Uloom Bury graduates/students' neglecting to keep beard CAN NOT be associated with the institution[QUOTE]

I hope everyone understands that this is NOT the case.

Students from Dewsbury are the last people you refer to if you want to know about DU Bury.

[seekfrieddy]

the book is available online on "abulhasanalnadwi.org". Its name is "Basair" - on page 23, he mentions that from the very beginning at Darululoom Nadwa, there has been a mix of practices on different mazahibs and even ahle-hadith groups and students have been studying over there and some have also been teaching over there. So, these 3 sentences are elaborate enough to tell that maslak of Nadwa even in the time of Maulana Ali Mian (rahmatulla alaihi) and even before him as mentioned, but with complete due respect to him and all the scholars of Nadwa, has been broad minded incorporating even ahle-hadith group. So, no wonder when we see ahle-hadith scholars like Mukhtar Nadwi etc. though the ahle-hadith is anti-madhab yet that is the case with Nadwa.

[Emunsesoxmete]

dear suna hua dekhe hue ke jaisa nahin hota even prophet (S.A.W) said :كفي بالمرء كذبا ان يحدث بكل م سمع dont say anything which u havent seen.........
jazakallah

[tussinelde]

magar likha hua ka to etibar ho sakta hay na. Mein Nadwa kay khilaf bilkul nahin hoon aur main lucknow mein ghar nadwa say qareeb hay. Meiney sirf is ki wazahat kee hay ki nadwa mein aur deoband kay maslak mein jo farq hay wo kyun ay. Aur yay kitab online hay aur maulana Ali Mian (rahmatulla alihi) ki likhi hoi hay. Is main koi ghair mustanad baat to nahin. Hazrat (rahmatulla alhi) nay khud he nadwa kay barey mein page 23 par likh diya basair mein. Padh lijiyay. Baat sirf is ki hay kay jab salafi log jaisay Mukhtar Nadwi jo ki Hazrat (rahmatallu alihi) kay yahan padh kar apnay ko nadwi likh kar aur phir hazrat aur nadwa aur hanfiat kay khilaf baten karey to confusion hota hay ki yay hay nadwi aur hanafi kay khilaf baatein likhta hay. Aur bittahqeeq yay baat ek dam musallam hay, meiney nadway kay ulema say bhi tahqeeq ki hay aur wasa he hay jaysa ki hazrat (rahmatulla alhi) nay likha hay. Baqi, is say Hazrat (rahamtulla alihi) ki shaan mein ghustaakhi ya bey adabai bilkul maqsuud nahin. Hazrat ka ihsan ummat par qiyamat tak rahey ga inshaAllah.