[phernikas]

@brother mmb786
do you know how hard his work is in website with other responsibilities of deen like teaching in jamia and also he is one of a elder in tablig in his area.alhamdulillah i know him personally,he is one who suggested me to join this form.

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What does he teach? And is this Jamia Millia or Jamia Hamdard or a Jamia Madrassah?

[sabbixsweraco]

jazakallah to all
now i am thinking about 1 big decision seriously.................like moulana taliban

Please Hazrat! Why should you get disturbed by (only marginal) over enthusiasm of a young Muslim? Our elders and Elders have tolerated so much of our non-sense so it is time to pay back. And the flow of pay back is towards younger generation. You see, we supplicate O Allah make the Faiz of our Akaabir wide spread. Now if you can also contribute to this spreading, as you are doing, then what can be better than that? I'll tell you what my Shaikh said a few weeks back. He said that just concentrate on getting the communication across. Meaning that just say your things and do not worry about fasahat and balaghat and elan and all that.

Finally a interesting twist - it had me in knots for many days. A Maulana, young one, was explaining the meaning of Wama Alayna illul blaagh. He said our responsibility is to communicate without balaghat. You get the point. In the original balaagh is used for communication but he used it twice - once for communication and for the second time for negation of rhetoric.

So there. I can not thank him enough for taking a huge burden off my head. How often we forget the real task of communication and get entangled in mere ornamentation. I'll take it further. It makes me sick when people get impressed by mere rhetoric - laffaazi. "What a speech", they some times scream. I feel like screaming back, "No that was all hot air - there was no content in it."

Ironically, some of those posting to point out grammar mistakes have made grammatical ewrrots too. =)

They deserved this one! People of errots should get carrots.

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What does he teach? And is this Jamia Millia or Jamia Hamdard or a Jamia Madrassah?

Last one.

Wassalam

[tramdoctorsss]

Finally a interesting twist - it had me in knots for many days. A Maulana, young one, was explaining the meaning of Wama Alayna illul blaagh. He said our responsibility is to communicate without balaghat. You get the point. In the original balaagh is used for communication but he used it twice - once for communication and for the second time for negation of rhetoric. shaikh maripat,respected shaikhul hadis moulana hanif luharvi db said in his one bayan somedays ago that this sentences; wma alaina illal balag is not narrat from nabi saw anywhere and this is not good for any one to speak it.
ia i will post that bayan name soon

[Julik19]

shaikh maripat,respected shaikhul hadis moulana hanif luharvi db said in his one bayan somedays ago that this sentences; wma alaina illal balag is not narrat from nabi saw anywhere and this is not good for any one to speak it.
ia i will post that bayan name soon

akhi.
But there is a very close thing in the Noble Qur'an itself. I am not conversant with the Arabic text so I can not quote. I'll appreciate if you can find it and post it here.

[abubycera]

akhi.
But there is a very close thing in the Noble Qur'an itself. I am not conversant with the Arabic text so I can not quote. I'll appreciate if you can find it and post it here.

Shaykh I beg to differ. Every Nabi communicated with masses in their language. If one cannot properly communicate in the audiences' language then the effort is futile. The Prophets would speak and live like the masses for effective propagation of the message. This is known as Lisan al Qawm.

I would suggest that you listen to Maulana Tariq Jameel's bayan at Ahsanul Uloom on 27/02/2012 where he mentions something to this effect.

I'll post the relevant ayats of the Qur'an.

We may understand each and every detail of Deen, but do we have the ability and the quality to effectively communicate it to the masses. Surely, we don't need rhetoric and balaagah to communicate with the masses. We need to communicate it in their terminology and language.

If we look deeply into this concept of Lisan ul Qawm, then it will be clear why the Asharis made use of the terminologies of Greek Philosophy. The reason is plain simple, it was the language or terminology of the target audience. There was no other option to communicate with them other than using their terminology. The Atharis and the pseudo-Salafis should look from this perspective. And we have to admit that the method adopted by the Asharis was the most effective to combat the Mu'tazili fitna.

[Lunims]

akhi.
But there is a very close thing in the Noble Qur'an itself. I am not conversant with the Arabic text so I can not quote. I'll appreciate if you can find it and post it here.

وَمَا عَلَيۡنَآ إِلَّا ٱلۡبَلَـٰغُ ٱلۡمُبِينُ

Surah Yasin, verse 17.

"And our duty is only to convey clearly (the Message)."

Perhaps what the Shaykh meant is that it is not Sunna to quote this verse after every bayan. I will ask him, Inshallah.

[Dwerfsd]

Shaykh I beg to differ. Every Nabi communicated with masses in their language. If one cannot properly communicate in the audiences' language then the effort is futile. The Prophets would speak and live like the masses for effective propagation of the message. This is known as Lisan al Qawm.

I would suggest that you listen to Maulana Tariq Jameel's bayan at Ahsanul Uloom on 27/02/2012 where he mentions something to this effect.

I'll post the relevant ayats of the Qur'an.

We may understand each and every detail of Deen, but do we have the ability and the quality to effectively communicate it to the masses. Surely, we don't need rhetoric and balaagah to communicate with the masses. We need to communicate it in their terminology and language.

If we look deeply into this concept of Lisan ul Qawm, then it will be clear why the Asharis made use of the terminologies of Greek Philosophy. The reason is plain simple, it was the language or terminology of the target audience. There was no other option to communicate with them other than using their terminology. The Atharis and the pseudo-Salafis should look from this perspective. And we have to admit that the method adopted by the Asharis was the most effective to combat the Mu'tazili fitna.

Brother you are differing with me on some point. Which one?

[Assunkkensatt]

Brother you are differing with me on some point. Which one?

I'm sorry, i quoted the wrong post. I was replying to post No 24.

[WaysletlyLene]

Shaykh I beg to differ. Every Nabi communicated with masses in their language. If one cannot properly communicate in the audiences' language then the effort is futile. The Prophets would speak and live like the masses for effective propagation of the message. This is known as Lisan al Qawm.

I would suggest that you listen to Maulana Tariq Jameel's bayan at Ahsanul Uloom on 27/02/2012 where he mentions something to this effect.

I'll post the relevant ayats of the Qur'an.

We may understand each and every detail of Deen, but do we have the ability and the quality to effectively communicate it to the masses. Surely, we don't need rhetoric and balaagah to communicate with the masses. We need to communicate it in their terminology and language.

If we look deeply into this concept of Lisan ul Qawm, then it will be clear why the Asharis made use of the terminologies of Greek Philosophy. The reason is plain simple, it was the language or terminology of the target audience. There was no other option to communicate with them other than using their terminology. The Atharis and the pseudo-Salafis should look from this perspective. And we have to admit that the method adopted by the Asharis was the most effective to combat the Mu'tazili fitna.

وَمَآ أَرۡسَلۡنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا بِلِسَانِ قَوۡمِهِۦ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمۡ*ۖ فَيُضِلُّ ٱللَّهُ مَن يَشَآءُ وَيَهۡدِى مَن يَشَآءُ*ۚ وَهُوَ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡحَكِيمُ

We did not send any messenger but (speaking) in the language of his people, so that he might clearly convey the message to them. So, Allah lets go astray whom He wills and lets find guidance whom He wills. And He is the Mighty, the Wise. (Surah Ibrahim:4)

[Petrushkaukrop]

I'm sorry, i quoted the wrong post. I was replying to post No 24.

Even in that post I do not remember saying anything that will invoke your response.
I might have missed a negation or a preposition or a clause and my message might have got distorted. I shall not know it till you specify it. Please help me in that.
Wassalam

[MineOffedOvex]

Even in that post I do not remember saying anything that will invoke your response.
I might have missed a negation or a preposition or a clause and my message might have got distorted. I shall not know it till you specify it. Please help me in that.
Wassalam

You are right. After reading your post for the second time i realised that i misunderstood your post.

Apologies.

[feseEscaple]

You are right. After reading your post for the second time i realised that i misunderstood your post.

Apologies.

No problem.

[EvaQWmrm]

Assalamu alaikum
oh where this thread is going?
sorry for delay as i was away from house with shaikh hanif sb db.

i am just thinking to stay away from forum till i will learn english for those who are using forum only for english,not for authentic islamic stuf.
afterall if i hurted any one and wasted your valuable time by my poor english,plz forgive me

@maripat
hazrat jazakallah for your valuable post no 24

@umhasan
I was just thinking last Friday, whilst listening to Mufti Khanpuri sahab's bayan, that it would be very convenient if the bayans were uploaded on youtube and was actually going to request it. may be that was the time of accepting dua,so allah give me tofiq for stating youtube channel

[CializCialiscsqw]

Moulana saheb, your English is perfectly acceptable. I humbly request for your continued contribution to the forum.

[actrisski]

Assalamu alaikum

i am just thinking to stay away from forum till i will learn english for those who are using forum only for english,not for authentic islamic stuf.
afterall if i hurted any one and wasted your valuable time by my poor english,plz forgive me Not required at all.
@maripat
hazrat jazakallah for your valuable post no 24 My pleasure Maulana.

Your hard work is a blessing and we value it.
Wassalam

[hacyOrgachbic]

Maulana, please don't worry about your english. English is only a tool and nothing more. What is amazing is that you are multi-lingual and that you are spreading the deen.

And every time your feelings are hurt by people's comments while you are doing the work of deen, remember that Allah will in'sha Allah raise your ranks in aakhirah.

And the thought of leaving the forum is only waswasa from shaytan, who is always trying to keep everyone from spreading good.

[kenowinnumberss]

Assalamu alaikum
i am just thinking to stay away from forum till i will learn english for those who are using forum only for english,not for authentic islamic stuf.
afterall if i hurted any one and wasted your valuable time by my poor english,plz forgive me

:wasalam:

No need to leave, like I said before, Alhumdullilah your English is fine, and please don't let such minor issues distract you much.

I am sure you are doing this for the sake of Allah (swt), and if you are insulted in the process, I would say that you should expect such (look at it from the eye of a daee). So don't leave it, rather you should get more determined.

[Abedgebeefs]

Good work Maulana. Keep the good things coming.

[asivisepo]

In fact just think of that young boy who made the remark. He must be really puzzled at the turn of the events - after all he was only doing the good deed of the day!

[AnneseeKels]

^ Good.

Maybe we should contemplate why there are so little active ulama on the forum.

I'm not talking about this thread in particular, rather what I've constantly seen in all the years I've been part of SF.