[bestworkother]

Nice to see "some guy" posting again - Now, what was that about the "Concerto for 100 switches and a light bulb"?

[maks_holi]

Love ya, too, JHC.

Though I don't really care about "in the end." I listen to music now. I enjoy it now, even though I'm bitter and twisted.

Whether or not the grandchildren of some grandchildren I will never meet as I'll be long dead by then will listen to the things I'm enjoying right now is of no interest to me at all.

some guy that is so out of character and not a bit like the sg we love to argue with you mean, selfish old bustard.

[Blotassefesek]

"Bitter and twisted"??? then listen to some "Twisted Sister".

[kuklame]

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[loolitoertego]

we await breathlessly for the next instalment.

I am curious! from where cometh thee Dirigent? do tell.

[Frjrbefd]

some guy (or other), try to enjoy as wide a range of musical experiences as you can - don't feel limited to just contemporary/avant garde.

Not only do you know that I am "bitter and twisted," you also know what I do and do not listen to.

How did you come about this knowledge? For the record, I enjoy a wide range of music. I do not limit my listening to just (just?) contemporary/avant garde. If you really knew me, you would know that. (But you'd still probably keep making stuff up; that does seem to be your forte!)

Anyway, for the record, contemporary classical music--the real stuff, not Dirigent's parodies--is perfectly fine. It's various and enjoyable. It doesn't sound like Brahms, most of it, but then neither does Brahms sound particularly like Berlioz, or either like Buxtehude.

I enjoy listening to contemporary classical music and have done so ever since 1972 (and even before). 1972 was just when it really took hold.

There are people who don't like it, as we know, but their not liking it does not mean it's unlikable. It's likable all right!

Some people, many people, feel entitled to say any old stupid, ignorant, outrageous thing about contemporary music--it's fair game, apparently. And they do not like being called out for their behavior. Boy howdy! Since contemporary classical is fair game, only slams, disses, and parodies are allowed. Defenses of the music are either ridiculed or incredulously praised. Both miss the point, which is that people who listen to contemporary classical, hard as it is to believe, do so because they like it. Because it's interesting and gripping and fulfilling. Sorta like Bach and Beethoven and Dvorak, eh?

But because it's so little understood (by people who revel in their lack of understanding), because it's so little listened to and appreciated by the vast majority of classical listeners, it doesn't have to be respected--at the very least--and when its proponents, weary of the endless litany of grossly unfair and impertinent claims about its putative qualities, display that weariness (which is not allowed!!), they are accused of being bitter and twisted.

Why, it's enough to turn the sweetest and straightest dispostition into something quite other!!

[htDgExh8]

Tut...."Whoa man, all those wrong notes and out of tune its horrible"


Faght....."You don't understand its grate"

[moopierof]

Hahahaha!!! Where'd you find that picture of Dirigent and me?? (I'm the one on the right, with the beard. It's white now. It happens.)

[QysnZWB4]

Maybe the thing is just that most of tallanted contemporary composers are not famous yet? Maybe in 40-50 years we'll be happy to say that we lived in time of so gifted people, that we don't know their names for now? Personally I know few young composer who I consider very and very tallanted! And no one can prove me I'm wrong!

[agrismhig]

What determines the success of a contemporary composer?

[BritneySpearsFun@@@]

Same thing that determines the success of any other composer.

[kilibry]

Same thing that determines the success of any other composer.

Which is ???????????????

[NumsAmenniams]

Which is ???????????????

You don't really need to ask, do you? You know what determines the success of composers. The point is, there is really no separate category of "contemporary composers." Those are just the ones alive now. Berlioz used to be one. Bach used to be one. Monteverdi used to be one. Balkanization is just a bad idea. Even in the Balkans.

[yWleIJm4]

some guy I am not being provocative "you see us colonials do know some big words " I thought it would be an interesting discussion the easy answer would be that the Concert Hall will tell us but it is not that easy is it? or that the "Market" will tell us but I do not trust the market, perhaps someone will offer a suggestion. @the OP nicolas are you still here?

[CAxrrAYN]

"Balkanization" - newfangled terminology for the hopelessly clueless - i.e. me.............D'oh - Duh - Dang - What a retard I am...Just fell off the turnip truck at Four Corners Saloon and Cathouse........

Gloom, Despair and agony on me........

[Rithlilky]

A word dating from 1919 is "newfangled"?

No wonder modern music has such a tough time of it. "Modern." Most of the stuff people know about and call modern is pretty old. In Haydn and Mozart's time, music that much older than today's date would have been called "antient music." Ives, Schoenberg, Varese, Webern--ancient music.
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[iodigmaFemZem]

I came across this program yesterday. It's Leonard Bernstein in 1957 talking about "Modern Music". Yes, it's 55 years old but what a pedagogue this man was and you should watch this 50 minute program if you want to trace the history of scales and tonality. Take no notice of the pompous git, Derek Cooke, introducing the program. He's a thoroughgoing pain in the rear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVCFC...feature=relmfu

[Roxanjbra]

My mistake: the man in the U-Tube link about "Modern Music" is Alistair Cooke, not Derek Cook as previously mentioned. Alistair Cooke was a hopelessly pretentious and pompous Englishman (who'd have thought!!) who produced a series of documentaries called "America".

[SpeavaJap]

I am d/l the video to watch on my 96 inch sextrelet intelligent and smart Samssong super duper TV i am in anticipation mode.
Grasy ars mon sure

[gSjQEEmq]

Great; stick with the program because it's really tremendous and makes everything look so connected to everything else in music. Enjoy!