[Lapsiks]

okay first off im not racist, and im not against black people, this is what what i have seen.

Okay, times have changed alot since i was a child. But the other day i turned on BET and i saw a video featuring Nelly. It had girls in thongs shaking their ass in slow motion. Even parts of the video had blur spots between the womens legs, and covering their chest. I thought to myself, what the FUCK!?!?! Im very surprised to see this on my tv. I also am aware of that 50 cent song about his lollypop, and that is just disgusting too. If i had kids id never let them watch MTV or BET, i probly wouldnt let them watch tv at all. But it seems to me that ever since "black" music became popular the morals of america have went down. At least when it comes to sex. You have an endless supply of R&B hits talking about sex, rap videos showing half naked women, and its just plain wrong. I have some friends that have siblings that are into the rap and R&B music sceen and all of them have sex, smoke, drink beer, and are under the age of 17. I find this very sad. I know that it should be the parents fault for leaving their kids do this, but thats another topic. I think if it wasnt for these videos, and this kind of music, then kids wouldnt be thinking about these things. I know that blacks are not 100% to blame, but this type of music, behavior, and videos i have seen are disturbing. Now i know most of you people on here are young, so you might not agree with this. But i wanted to get others opinion on this, and want this to be a serious discussion. What do you think?

[diutuartina]

The only rap I like is Eminem and 2Pac.

I hate all other rap, I agree with you, It is disgusting that 50 raps about his 2 incher.

But on a more serious note, half naked chicks? Where can I find this video, and is there an uncencored version?

[proslaviy]

In answer to your questions yes it is there seems to be an intention to get people horny in every music video I mean is it a music video or a pron video cause I find it hard to see the difference these days I mea for crying out loud MAN AHHHHHHHHHHHH

[reawnvam]

I'm inclined to agree pretty strongly with UB on this one. The whole general "black music" term is kind of weak. Rap music is predominantly black, yet there are plenty of black artists who don't fill there music with "girls gone wild"
The simple fact is that sexy girls sell. Why do you think "girls gone wild" is such a bit hit. Why do you think the WWE has all these no talent diva search wanna be's? Because people want to oogle their bodies on TV.
I recently watched a pretty cool video by some artist Armand von something or other ca;;ed 'Say my name" (I think thats the name) now the song was pretty good and all, but the fact the only thing I really remember about the video is that is had literally dozens of scantly clad babes in it. The selling point wasn't the song...it was the girls.

There "rap" videos don't sell because of the masterful lyrics or musical skills of the artists. They sell because of the half naked babes gyrating on the screen.

Of course I really enjoy the babes so I can certainly understand why they make them. The music industry is a business and its all about sales.
Hopefully one day it will be more about music.

[grosqueneen]

Yeah when i said "black music" i mean Mainstream Rap and R&B. The stuff you see on BET and MTV every 30 minutes. I guess its all about selling, that is true. Right now Rap is very popular, but i think its just because alot of people want to be "cool" so they go with what is "in". Im not blaming black people as a whole, but its those black people that make this stuff that i get disgusted at. Maybe my concern should be toward the channels that allow this to be viewed on their air. If they didnt allow it and sex, bling, violence didnt sell, i think 50 cent and Nelly would be out of business, or be struggling to make a good cd. Personally i like Nas, 2pac, Wu-Tang, and maybe tupac has had a suggestive video...but most of them have a good message. I really havent heard anything in the last few years from Nas so im not sure what he does now. I hope i didnt offend you UB, or any other person that happens to be black.

[dubGucKcolo]

Originally posted by The 7th Number:
Is black music is hurting america's morals? I'll give ya a, HELL NO! on that one. it's just like any other music to listen to. you do know there are rock songs that tell ya to kill someone or whatever? it's the person's fault who is dumb enough to wanna go and act on it. if you gonna blame Rap music, blame white, or any other kinda color of music that says basically the same thing rappers say. yea, rappers do sometimes tell ya to do violent things or just tell you a violent story, so does any other types of music. rap isn't all violent, rappers can rap stories calm, vengeful, mad, sad, or just tell you about things if ya actually listen to it, which you might not have.

I'm not one of those black dudes that listens to nothin' but rap. I listen to almost anything BUT country, heh.

....the way you say, "black music", what would ya say if white people listen to it as well? is it still "black music"!? can't wait for ya to explain that to me!

....I agree wit' everythign UB said.

Originally posted by The 7th Number:
Yeah when i said "black music" i mean Mainstream Rap and R&B. The stuff you see on BET and MTV every 30 minutes. I guess its all about selling, that is true. Right now Rap is very popular, but i think its just because alot of people want to be "cool" so they go with what is "in". Im not blaming black people as a whole, but its those black people that make this stuff that i get disgusted at. Maybe my concern should be toward the channels that allow this to be viewed on their air. If they didnt allow it and sex, bling, violence didnt sell, i think 50 cent and Nelly would be out of business, or be struggling to make a good cd. Personally i like Nas, 2pac, Wu-Tang, and maybe tupac has had a suggestive video...but most of them have a good message. I really havent heard anything in the last few years from Nas so im not sure what he does now. I hope i didnt offend you UB, or any other person that happens to be black. just to be cool? like I said, if ya actually listen to it, which you obviously haven't, it tells STORIES like any other song. Rap is a style of music. Rap, Rock, Hip-Hop, Country, etc. all styles of music. I don't like the Country style but I like the Rap style. see? just 'cause you may not like Rap and stereotype it as somethin' all bad just for black people, calling it "black music", is pretty sad.

[ April 18, 2005, 07:56 PM: Message edited by: Sho'Nuff ]

[NeroASERCH]

Originally posted by Sho'Nuff:
Originally posted by The 7th Number:
Is black music is hurting america's morals? I'll give ya a, HELL NO! on that one. it's just like any other music to listen to. you do know there are rock songs that tell ya to kill someone or whatever? it's the person's fault who is dumb enough to wanna go and act on it. if you gonna blame Rap music, blame white, or any other kinda color of music that says basically the same thing rappers say. yea, rappers do sometimes tell ya to do violent things or just tell you a violent story, so does any other types of music. rap isn't all violent, rappers can rap stories calm, vengeful, mad, sad, or just tell you about things if ya actually listen to it, which you might not have.

I'm not one of those black dudes that listens to nothin' but rap. I listen to almost anything BUT country, heh.

....the way you say, "black music", what would ya say if white people listen to it as well? is it still "black music"!? can't wait for ya to explain that to me! you cant wait for me to explaine "black music" to you? I already explained it in my 2nd post.

[imporrilk]

Originally posted by The 7th Number:
you cant wait for me to explaine "black music" to you? I already explained it in my 2nd post. nice....CARE TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING ELSE I SAID!?

Originally posted by Sho'Nuff:
I'll give ya a, HELL NO! on that one. it's just like any other music to listen to. you do know there are rock songs that tell ya to kill someone or whatever? it's the person's fault who is dumb enough to wanna go and act on it. if you gonna blame Rap music, blame white, or any other kinda color of music that says basically the same thing rappers say. yea, rappers do sometimes tell ya to do violent things or just tell you a violent story, so does any other types of music. rap isn't all violent, rappers can rap stories calm, vengeful, mad, sad, or just tell you about things if ya actually listen to it, which you might not have.

....the way you say, "black music", what would ya say if white people listen to it as well? is it still "black music"!? can't wait for ya to explain that to me!

....I agree wit' everything UB said.

Originally posted by The 7th Number:
Right now Rap is very popular, but i think its just because alot of people want to be "cool" so they go with what is "in". just to be cool? like I said, if ya actually listen to it, which you obviously haven't, it tells STORIES like any other song. Rap is a style of music. Rap, Rock, Hip-Hop, Country, etc. all styles of music. I don't like the Country style but I like the Rap style. see? just 'cause you may not like Rap and stereotype it as somethin' all bad just for black people, calling it "black music", is pretty sad.

[TCjwwhcY]

Originally posted by Sho'Nuff:
Originally posted by The 7th Number:
you cant wait for me to explaine "black music" to you? I already explained it in my 2nd post. nice....CARE TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING ELSE I SAID!?

Originally posted by Sho'Nuff:
I'll give ya a, HELL NO! on that one. it's just like any other music to listen to. you do know there are rock songs that tell ya to kill someone or whatever? it's the person's fault who is dumb enough to wanna go and act on it. if you gonna blame Rap music, blame white, or any other kinda color of music that says basically the same thing rappers say. yea, rappers do sometimes tell ya to do violent things or just tell you a violent story, so does any other types of music. rap isn't all violent, rappers can rap stories calm, vengeful, mad, sad, or just tell you about things if ya actually listen to it, which you might not have.

....the way you say, "black music", what would ya say if white people listen to it as well? is it still "black music"!? can't wait for ya to explain that to me!

....I agree wit' everything UB said.

Originally posted by The 7th Number:
Right now Rap is very popular, but i think its just because alot of people want to be "cool" so they go with what is "in". just to be cool? like I said, if ya actually listen to it, which you obviously haven't, it tells STORIES like any other song. Rap is a style of music. Rap, Rock, Hip-Hop, Country, etc. all styles of music. I don't like the Country style but I like the Rap style. see? just 'cause you may not like Rap and stereotype it as somethin' all bad just for black people, calling it "black music", is pretty sad. it seems you're not understanding what im saying. I said black music, meaning mainstream rap and R&B. (I DONT MEAN MUSIC MADE FOR JUST BLACKS, IS THERE SUCH A THING???) The stuff you see on TRL, thats the kind of music kids like because they want to be cool. Most of the time its naked chicks, a phat beat, and a catchy hook/chorus. I know that there are good rap and R&B songs and bands out there. I never said i didnt like rap, as i said before... i LIKE Tupac, nas, wu-tang..are you even reading the words that im typing?? Seems like you are still stuck on the fact that "black music" came out of my mouth. I already told you what i ment by it and you still think i mean all rap and R&B and that i hate it all. So please stop that and get back to what im really trying to talk about.

[ April 19, 2005, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: The 7th Number ]

[VYholden]

Originally posted by The 7th Number:
Yeah when i said "black music" i mean Mainstream Rap and R&B. The stuff you see on BET and MTV every 30 minutes. I guess its all about selling, that is true. Right now Rap is very popular, but i think its just because alot of people want to be "cool" so they go with what is "in". Im not blaming black people as a whole, but its those black people that make this stuff that i get disgusted at. Maybe my concern should be toward the channels that allow this to be viewed on their air. If they didnt allow it and sex, bling, violence didnt sell, i think 50 cent and Nelly would be out of business, or be struggling to make a good cd. Personally i like Nas, 2pac, Wu-Tang, and maybe tupac has had a suggestive video...but most of them have a good message. I really havent heard anything in the last few years from Nas so im not sure what he does now. I hope i didnt offend you UB, or any other person that happens to be black. streets disciple anyone?

it was a 2 disc album that came out last year in november

[ April 19, 2005, 10:02 AM: Message edited by: john b.doep ]

[Ambassador]

Originally posted by The 7th Number:
Originally posted by Sho'Nuff:
Originally posted by The 7th Number:
you cant wait for me to explaine "black music" to you? I already explained it in my 2nd post. nice....CARE TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING ELSE I SAID!?

Originally posted by Sho'Nuff:
I'll give ya a, HELL NO! on that one. it's just like any other music to listen to. you do know there are rock songs that tell ya to kill someone or whatever? it's the person's fault who is dumb enough to wanna go and act on it. if you gonna blame Rap music, blame white, or any other kinda color of music that says basically the same thing rappers say. yea, rappers do sometimes tell ya to do violent things or just tell you a violent story, so does any other types of music. rap isn't all violent, rappers can rap stories calm, vengeful, mad, sad, or just tell you about things if ya actually listen to it, which you might not have.

....the way you say, "black music", what would ya say if white people listen to it as well? is it still "black music"!? can't wait for ya to explain that to me!

....I agree wit' everything UB said.

Originally posted by The 7th Number:
Right now Rap is very popular, but i think its just because alot of people want to be "cool" so they go with what is "in". just to be cool? like I said, if ya actually listen to it, which you obviously haven't, it tells STORIES like any other song. Rap is a style of music. Rap, Rock, Hip-Hop, Country, etc. all styles of music. I don't like the Country style but I like the Rap style. see? just 'cause you may not like Rap and stereotype it as somethin' all bad just for black people, calling it "black music", is pretty sad. it seems you're not understanding what im saying. I said black music, meaning mainstream rap and R&B. (I DONT MEAN MUSIC MADE FOR JUST BLACKS, IS THERE SUCH A THING???) The stuff you see on TRL, thats the kind of music kids like because they want to be cool. Most of the time its naked chicks, a phat beat, and a catchy hook/chorus. I know that there are good rap and R&B songs and bands out there. I never said i didnt like rap, as i said before... i LIKE Tupac, nas, wu-tang..are you even reading the words that im typing?? Seems like you are still stuck on the fact that "black music" came out of my mouth. I already told you what i ment by it and you still think i mean all rap and R&B and that i hate it all. So please stop that and get back to what im really trying to talk about. now you've convinced me, you may have listened to rap. I'm talkin' back at ya 'cause you started this topic in the first place sayin' "black music", I meant mainstream Rap and R&B music hurting "america's morals"....I guess ya kinda touched a nerve of mine.

[ April 19, 2005, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: Sho'Nuff ]

[jessyhalm]

okay, maybe i need to get more specific when i write. ALOT MORE SPECIFIC. I have the albums "I Am..." "It was written" and "Nastradamus", but other then that and his special appearance on a Korn song, i havent heard anything from his most recent albums. I am aware that he came out with more albums since the last time i bought one, i just havent actually listened to anything new from him.

[CaseyFronczek]

I would say the opposite is true. Black music gives the black youth, a minority already faced with oppression and discrimination, an outlet for their energy and emotions.

If you just mean music that some would consider 'immoral' such as marilyn manson or gangsta rap, i personally would still disagree. I feel anyone with a shred of common sense can listen to and enjoy these songs without getting them out of context. I personally listen to alot of what some might call 'the devils music' and im still perfectly healthy.

But then again, if you mean is it changing the close-minded, neo-conservative far right christian extremism of middle class suburbia america then i would say you are correct. But as far as im concerned thats good thing.

Of course im a dirty liberal

[Assunkkensatt]

''it's the person's fault who is dumb enough to wanna go and act on it''


and there ARE alot of people who are dumb enough to go and act on it.

thats the scary bit.

[67Irralphaisa]

You could say the same about video games. In the news, a boy thinks he's the guy from manhunt and kills someone, that's because the guy is probably dumb enough to believe what they are doing in the game is right.

But I do agree, that these sort of videos should be shown at later times, so not all people can see it. Or they can have a good version for the daytime, then a censored, or uncensored dirty version at night.

Then again, I also agree that it is an excellent outlet for energy and emotion when used correctly. Not just random stuff.

[L8fGLM4d]

you say your not rasict but you call rap black music fuck you dude you are being rasict eminem has music videos like that so you are a rasict little bastard i feal offened that you would call rap music black music and yet you say your not rasict

[Sakkola]

What's so racist about calling rap black music Demon? It IS black music, or more appropriately African American music. They invented it, thus it's their. Yes, now some white people partake in it, but at it's heart; it's black culture. I see nothing racist about it...

[adsexpist]

well i white person made country music you dont see people calling that white music it is rascit just cause a black person found it does make it black music

[citicroego]

country music is white music. It's not racist *shrugs* Now if he had said, I don't like rap music because black people sing it; that is racist. To simply say rap music is black music is not, as it is.

[NikkitaZ]

I dont classify music as Black or White. I love rap and i am white, personally i hate it when dumbasses say oh he likes rap hes wants to be black. Music is music, its just a preference in lyrics and the beat.