But in the end, does it even really matter that much?

[ December 01, 2004, 06:31 AM: Message edited by: A2: Amateur Artist ]

i don't think thats true, you're saying they become commercial when you don't like their songs but lots of other people do. Thats what gets me annoyed is that when a band can make a really good song which appeals to alot of people the fans who like their less liked stuff suddenly give up on them.

i don't like this idea that people who like less commercial songs think they are more original than fans of commercial bands, its just taste in music and songs should be judged on how many people like it IMO, commercial doesn't mean worse it usually means better because its more popular.

i'm not like a fan of pop but thats just because its a bit to happy to me and some of those people have no talent but i've got no problem that they are popular.

I hate it when there's a song that I used to like but then they play it over and over again on the Radio and MTV. They play the crap out of it until you just can't stand it any more... Then they play it some more! It's really annoying!

thats the point i'm making though, why do people stop liking a band if they go mainstream as its a very good thing to happen (well to most)

see your post was a valid argument and i now know a differant perspective which is something i was looking for when i started this topic

Well, Susche, I wasn't trying to put down your topic down. I was just adding that in the end it really won't matter, because no one can change your opinion about what you like. Whether you like commercial bands or not. You just have to stay true to what you like and if a band does go mainstream just be happy for them, because that pride and joy you and only a handful of people knew about probably wanted them to succeed anyway. Is it not better to see a band go mainstream than just fall off and stop making music?

yeh but does anything really matter that much in the world? its just a topic i thought i'd bring up, if you don't like it then leave

Why the more popular songs are uncool?
 

does anyone else get sick of this idea that if a band is commercially succesful they are suddenly uncool. It's mainly with like rock bands that as soon as they get a good single that lots buy people say its way to commercial even if they like the song.

i am not keen on like boy bands who only succeed on looks and their music is poor but why must people condemn bands who make a decent tune that lots of people like and label it uncool?

just something that gets me annoyed, not sure if people get it where you are but everyone does it in my area.

Originally posted by Nosferous:
I just don't watch MTV or listen to the radio. And like what the fuck I like regardless of what some other invalid jackass thinks.

That way if anything gets overplayed it's my own fucking fault- but even then a good song is still a good song.

But I naturally find "singles" as not that great comparitive to the rest of an album. Sure it sells because it's the catchier track of the album but in overall greatness they usually lack to most the other album tracks that never get called out as "a single" because radio and MTV believe most of you people out there can't comprehend a well written and structured song so will just eat up shallow lyrics and simplistic easy to swallow music. Preach it ^_^

What you have here is simply a problem with the period of time, I think. Now days, most new bands that get a lot of radio time and such, have aimed their music to get just that, so thus their music comes off as a shallow piece of work to try and catch the casual listener's ear.

Now...in the earlier 90's and before, mainstream bands were GOOD....so it's more like...mainstream bands today just suck. There are exceptions...but most of the new bands I listen to I have to search for because they don't get radio time, etc.

Peace.

I agree with you on that, it gets annoying when a good band is turned on when they become commercially successful. Also I think that some people like to have their own little band that very few have heard of.

However most of today's "popular music" is just plain shit so that's probably why people dislike it, not because it's mainstream.

I agree with Slash. I give credit where credit's due, but alot of the mainstream stuff just suck, nowadays.

yeah good charlotte comes to mind. They were cool when MTV didnt play them, now they are all over and part of the reason they arent as cool is because they changed their music. They are more pop then anything today. But yeah, i think its really that you hear it all the time you dont like it anymore.

Nah, if I hear a good song I'll give credit where credit is due, but most of the shit out today is annoying.

But some examples of bands that are popular and still are cool are: The Darkness, Velvet Revolver, The Vines, Tenacious D and BLS. IMO of course.

But you're right this can be annoying, like for instance at one point I liked Avril Lavigne alot, and got bashed by my friends for liking them. But hell I thought and still do think she has some good songs, and can relate to her music, isn't that what it is about?

Later oN
*...SlasH...*

[ November 22, 2004, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: SlasH ]

you make a valid point. but in my opinion, those bands/songs become uncool mainly for the reason that they become overplayed and are forced upon the majority of people who watch mtv and listen to radio to find out about music. i admit that i am one of those people who tends to get sick of a band when they begin to gain popularity. i guess a good explaination for this would be that at one point, the band's music was special to you because you and only a handfull of other people knew about it. then when everybody knows about it, it isn't as special and you feel like something was taken away from you. that has happened to me a few times and i try not to blame the band themselves for that, because if you're in the music industry, you're in it to succeed and make new fans. my belief is that if you know a band has worked hard to accomplish something with their music, and they've put in a decent amount of time, they deserve the success that comes their way.

ok yeh i do agree with you there, there are reasons why songs are bought other than their quality. And the second bit of WCWs post which you mentioned about arrogance i'm sure is true, i didn't disagree with that

Yeah most bands that turn commercial are uncool because songs get worse and they seem to play with a kind of arrogant style as if they expect everyone to like them now they are popular

I just don't watch MTV or listen to the radio. And like what the fuck I like regardless of what some other invalid jackass thinks.

That way if anything gets overplayed it's my own fucking fault- but even then a good song is still a good song.

But I naturally find "singles" as not that great comparitive to the rest of an album. Sure it sells because it's the catchier track of the album but in overall greatness they usually lack to most the other album tracks that never get called out as "a single" because radio and MTV believe most of you people out there can't comprehend a well written and structured song so will just eat up shallow lyrics and simplistic easy to swallow music.

Actually no...I think you're wrong on some stances in what you said Susche.

Just because more people like it doesn't mean it's better.

It's more "popular" but it doesn't mean the songs are better. And the songs shouldn't be judged by how many people like them.

working at a record store the last few years I saw hundreds of new fans of the band HIM 80% of them not because they heard the CD at a friends and acutally liked the song. But because Bam Margera did heavy HIM pimping on his show Viva La Bam and just 'cause they like Bam they bought a HIM record. Most of these people would typically call HIM a "faggot and homo" band.

Lot's of people like Manson's song "MobScene" 'cause it's catchy. But the song fucking sucks lyrically and musically compared to his past tracks (as does most of anything on Golden Age as does 99% of Holywood)

You base their financial success by how many people like the song/record.

You base their actual songs off it's writing quality in your opinion. Not anyone else. And that's the problem with "commercial" music. Most people judge the songs off what their friends think. How many people like it shouldn't mean a god damn bit to you. If you like it you like it, if not you don't.

But you're right in it's lame when people stop liking bands stuff just because it's now popular. If it's a good song it's a good song you should like it. But you shouldn't like it 'cause everyone else now likes it. But you shouldn't hate it because everyone loves it now either.


and WCW is very right in a lot of bands once they get mainstream. They can easily make lame effortless written songs and do write a lot of their follow-up material in an arrogant style. It doesn't matter. As long as people aren't that passionately deep into music resulting in sheep like taste- bands can dribble piss all over the place for them to lick it up.

the song that comes to mind for me is smells like teen spirit by nirvana. Now i was only about 3 or 4 when it first came out but when i first heard it i thought it was an amazing song but i must admit now i'm sick of it and so are most other people.

everything you lot are saying makes sense but i think its a shame that commercial success can ruin bands who are producing good quality music