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Avant Garde (jazz or anything else) can be most challenging, but than for some also the most rewarding king od intellectual experience.
It take EDUCATION to understand Avan Garde! I have tought jazz to students for many years and often at the begining of the course many people could not stand any music beyond "Take Five", but after a few months they'd happily humm along with "A Love Supreme" ![]() |
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hi silentking
I have listened to some free jazz such as Coltrane's Ascension which is for a large ensemble improvising freely. An earlier good one to check out is Out To Lunch by Eric Dolphy. Also Ornette Coleman. I think Coltrane's A Love Supreme is a mix of modal and free playing which came a few years after Miles Davis Kind of Blue (modal) and the albums 'Free Jazz' and 'The Shape of Jazz to Come' by Ornette Coleman. |
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Some of my favourites avant garde jazz records are MU by Don Cherry and Ed Blackwell
Mingus presents Mingus (thought I'm sure some wouldn't consider this avantgarde to me it is) Ornette Coleman Science fiction First recording by the Art Ensemble of Chicago This time by Anthony Braxton none of this requires much education to enjoy the music as I see it they are wonderful and they are funny |
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Avant Garde has to be experienced, if someone just tries to listen to a piece and they have no exposure other than mainstream music it will in my opinion usually turn them off to it.
You have to ease them into it with something a little avant garde and then slowly take them into it more deeply. Unless by chance they just take to it... All music needs a caretaker, and the caretakers have to bring in new visitors slowly and carefully without overwhelming them so some day they can become the caretaker and pass the music on to the next person in the chain. McStrum |
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Some of my favourites avant garde jazz records are MU by Don Cherry and Ed Blackwell If you check with your dictionary - the word avantgarde comes from the french language, in english it means something like ahead or vanguard. As a great jazz-freak I have to say Ornette Coleman (alto saxophone and violin) is not exactly my cup up tea, no matter what album or time period in his more than 40-50 years as a musician. However he is very famous within his music, throughout the world. I know of an american, I believe he is an american Steve Reich, who I would consider belonging to the avantgarde in music. Anyone here know of him? You may find some of his work at www.ecm.com As for Don Cherry (piccolo trumpet), who btw. used to live in Sveden and the very gifted drummer Ed Blackwell, both of them with Ornette Coleman on numerous albums, not to mention the former Keith Jarrett double bass player Charlie Haden, also prior with Ornette Coleman, there are two albums I like. The band is called Old Dreams and New Dreams. The band´s fourth member IMHO one of the jazz tenor saxophone´s best players in decades was Dewey Redman (who pasted away last year, I think), but as we all know his son Joshua Redman will carry on his own career in jazz on the tenor saxophone. The two albums are titled "Old Dreams and New Dreams" and "Live". I would enjoy some of your opinions on those albums. I never regarded John Coltrane´s "A Love Supreme" as avantgarde, but if you do, fine with me? Chick Corea/Dave Holland/Barry Altschul created avantgarde in the early 1970´s on "A.R.C" and the album "Circle" I believe Anthony Braxton joined the band. Chick Corea/Miroslav Vitous/Roy Haynes made a double album years ago "Trio - Plays Monk". On the second record in the album, they all improvise which in my untalented ears remind me of Ornette Coleman, though I am a huge fan of each of them. Best regards, intet-at-tabe |
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Hi guys and Deeru Piotr I love Don Cherry in fact other of my "free" favourite records is MU the duet he recorded with Ed Blackwell (fantastic drummer), I've listened to Old and new dreams and yes is fabulous I'll look for that live record. the trio record by corea, vitous and haynes is great also (well you sure like ECM) |
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I forgot to recommend a record I discovered recently is called Raining on the moon by William Parker, great playing, fantastic lyrics (there's a couple of songs with a singer) and very easy to listen, very funny. Is this album "Raining on the moon" by William Parker with the ECM Records. If not ,would you be so kind to enter the record label? Happy you enjoyed the "Old Dreams, new dreams". I once at a friends house years ago heard Pat Mehteny with Ornette Coleman on PM´s album "Song X". It was from the old vinyl days. A friend of mine, suggested for me to buy it from him, since he did not like it one bit. Neither did I. I suggested to him to use the vinyl record as a present for someone he did not like or as a freesbie ![]() Best regards, intet-at-tabe |
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