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I've read from many sources that the hypnagogic state is deep enough to attempt a projection. I have attempted this many times, and yet can never seem to "get out." Attempts to phase directly into a scene usually result in getting lost in a dream vignette and losing all lucidity.

Chakra stimulations, energy body loosening, ROPE, and looking for vibrations (as detailed in Journeys Out of the Body) are all futile...

Perhaps I'm not deep enough. Do energy sensations generally occur before or after hypnogagia? Does anyone have any advice on this?