[retrahdggd]

thank you for your valuable insight, lovxseeker.

i will pass this info on to my pt. what should he do if this should occur again? continue? what should i do? this is somewhat embarrassing.

thanks again, tereserose

[Machater]

may i suggest hat you check out souledout.org, enter then click on blue pearl. i can personally vouch for everything it says having my own extensive experiences of the afore mentioned, its brilliant and facinating stuff! love and light, hazelom.

[glopomcyte]

has anyone felt or heard a loud popping in their head that's only audible to you? when it happens, from time to time, it's always as i'm falling asleep.

peace and blessings

yeah, i've got that too, i think it's just your heartbeat that you're tuned into.
i sometimes "see" my heart beating trough my eyes, pretty weird, my vision shakes on the beat of my heart.

try and see if the loud popping comes with every heartbeat.

greetings,

tom

[Zhgrlpil]

i have and still do on some occasions see small lights moving around. it is difficult to express how these look like. it is usually when i am reading a book or when i look into the sky. the closest thing that describes it is what bacteria would look like under a microscope. except this is the smallest whitest lights. beautiful and random..

this really only started last year. i was sitting on the pavement outside of my home and saw these lights all over the path. then it progressed onto books. i assumed it was something to do with my eyes. still not sure..

[DrCeshing]

i have and still do on some occasions see small lights moving around. it is difficult to express how these look like. it is usually when i am reading a book or when i look into the sky. the closest thing that describes it is what bacteria would look like under a microscope. except this is the smallest whitest lights. beautiful and random..

this really only started last year. i was sitting on the pavement outside of my home and saw these lights all over the path. then it progressed onto books. i assumed it was something to do with my eyes. still not sure..

i get that too, but i can see them with my eyes closed as well. mostly they're white strobbing lights but sometimes there's a bit of colour around the edges of the white lights.

i get it while reading, or riding my bike or just out of the blue. i've always thought it had something to do with my eyes as well and so i had them checked and they're fine.

i still think it is more of a medical condition though, as it is usually followed by a headache, but perhaps not as this has only started happening in the past year or so, kind of around the time of my awakening...

[illignocearia]

yeah, i've got that too, i think it's just your heartbeat that you're tuned into.
i sometimes "see" my heart beating trough my eyes, pretty weird, my vision shakes on the beat of my heart.

try and see if the loud popping comes with every heartbeat.

greetings,

tom

you are one step away from going on an out of body experience when this is happening. the next time it happens visualize yourself standing at the foot of your bed looking down at your body. after visualizing this, visualize your entire body as if it where made of white energy. see this energy body osilating in and out of your material body. as you come out there may be even more startiling sounds that happen. good luck.

[SinncmxM]

you are one step away from going on an out of body experience when this is happening. metaman, i can confirm this second hand, from a book i found soul traveler by albert taylor but i imagine there are other great resources out there for advice. do you have any good ones. or more from your own expereience.

i've experienced a feeling of falling which taylor said preceded "falling right out of your body" but i usually wake up before i get there. lately, i just am too tired at night and i think this hinders me.

yeah, i've got that too, i think it's just your heartbeat that you're tuned into.
i sometimes "see" my heart beating trough my eyes, pretty weird, my vision shakes on the beat of my heart. de mango, it sounds like you may be separating from you body but not totally leaving it. "see" what happens if you think about being somewhere else like another room in you house, to start off easy.

oh yeah, taylor's own experiences were with waking up paralyzed which he was able to fix with a mind trick. this was how his own inquiries began with obe. his mother and (?uncle) also had the paralysis experience.

i think obe is really what pineal activation is all about, basically the former being the effect of the latter. i think this is basically what david has described in other places in reference to pineal activation.

physically, anatomically we can explain a great deal phenomena. however, the far reaches of our ablities extend past the skills of categorizing and cataloging. dream on>.
dan

[wCYvMKAc]

hello everyone,

i have something that has been bugging me for quite some time, although more recently it feels like its getting more intense, and today i felt like i nearly wanted to put my head through a window! (in the nicest way possible lol)

i have noticed for quite some time that my brain (since i either started meditation, or started getting drawn into some complex 7th density type thinking) that my brain seems to feel chemical "irritation" or "overload". i dont know how else to describe it.

more recently however it has become more focused in my third eye region, and literally some days it feels like i am just going to start shooting laser beams out of my forehead, its such a charged feeling but it also comes with what feels like a chemical overload of some kind.

the only way that i can seem to make it go away is to actually physically trigger the opening of visualisation (pineal gland) but not actually visualise anything and let the energy pass through the centre of that "opening". it seems to be the only thing that gives me relief.

but like i said, today it was overwhelming, i havnt been able to work properly at my computer.

is anyone experiencing this? hoping i am not completely wacky.

[alexbookhyip]

as dino mentioned, this thread is very closely related to the link he provided.

i did have an experience a few weeks ago that related to this thread - one i haven't had (or wasn't consciously aware of) before.

basically i had entered an extremely relaxed meditative state, better than i had been able to achieve in months.

its difficult to express in words, but i had that "drawing away" sensation all through my body and could feel it even in my face and head (i just love it!) with eyes closed and centered, there was a point where i wasn't seeing with my eyes anymore (for lack of better words) and a bright light came into "sight". when i tried to focus on it with my eyes, it dissapated, and feeling came back. this happened four times in the same session, but i was never able to get past observing the light.

so, this might have been third eye activation. or, and i believe this is likely the case, i was just prior to an obe, but because i wanted to "see with my eyes", i wasn't able to leave. again, very difficult to explain, but not on the original list of phenomena that i provided.

i really can't say whether my third eye is open or activated or not - i don't really know what third eye vision is like, or at least cannot describe it. however, i can relate to the heightened sensitivity or esp that supposedly accomodates third eye activation...

in the end, these subjective experiences are very difficult to explain using words. in both threads its nice to see many others who are experiencing similar things. :d

art

[w4HPpbSW]

as soon as i read this part (quoting harmonyart)

"i like sai maa, but not a devotee. the brain illumination mediation is easy to do and she provides the written instructions on the site. from there you can visualize the tetrahedron and see what happens..remember it spins."

i closed my eyes, lifted my head back a touch and strongly visualised a tetrahedron spinning within my pineal. almost instanly i felt something subtlely uplifting.

it reminded me of when i first watched the 2012 enigma, as in that night after learning more of the pineal and becoming a touch more aware of it, i, eperienced the cracking noise within my head as i was drifting off simply through being abit more aware of it, it did seem.

pre to this my only experience of the pineal activating has come from about 3 occasions where after serious drinking bouts (bear with me lol) of about a week or so ended and after the 2nd night of staying away from drink where i drift in and out of feverish; dreams, visions, hallucitions or maybe a combination? i first of all experience, a thunderously, loud cracking noise in my head. now the last time this happened a couple of years ago, well, it nearly shocked me out of my skin. so as i lay there for a second realising there was nothing electrical near my head (exterior) what so ever, i thought "what the hell was that?" plus this was before i knew anything at all of the pineal glands existance, so in my dire state i involuntarily carried on the fashion of drifting in and out of consciousness experiencing vision/hallucintion that where seperated by this electronicaly sounding crack interiorly. the time periods between where roughly between 5-15 mins (approx') as i kept glancing up at the clock at these intermissions. then the last one fired off coinciding with a rapid and extremely heavy feeling that violently shot through my chest, i seemed to get dragged through one hell of an hallucination/vision or whatever it was (pretty sure the times of these moments cancel out the dreaming process) but it lasted about half an hour (it seemed but was more like 10 minutes) i, recall floating to the ceiling then turning to view myself lying there.


to continue, at this point, i, understanbly was in a feeling of shock, i, have never experienced before, somehow it appeared that i had stopped breathing (was a convincing feeling i got as i looked down upon myself (not sure how i was convinced of this but it seemed to be real). so at this point i darted through the window, floated around the street for a while then after this it becomes somewhat hazy apart from snippets here an there i will try to communicate to you all as best i can.

there are vague memories of meeting/greeting??? other beings, a moment where i seemed to be floating up within a dim whirlpool that had like twisted images, buildings spiraling around me, as i start to ascend upwards i look up and see an ovel shaped window (if you will) at the top like a sky light with a big bright star arrangement in the middle with other stars dotted around. maybe a milky way, who knows it's all vague to me especially now. and as i saw this i recall feelings of, well, is this a great journey or something i am about to embark upon and leave the world behind? my mood at the time was very relaxed.

at that point of noticing the stars above all of a sudden i saw a workman across from me by about a meter, tinkering with a spanner? he said something to me like "i can't fix the testosterone"??? who knows??? and at this point i started to feel more earth like feelings again, i noticed the twisted images spiraling around me again. then finally, a gentle feeling of *ber dum* in my chest, though i still felt seperated from my body and a split second later i feel like i am breathing, after the third breath i felt myself in my body as i opened my eyes.

after this i was wide awake and i felt, well, ok though i did feel a sense of gratitude for that and maybe luck. was the strangest most interesting memory i have whatever actually took place that night between christmas 2006 and the following new year.

if you read all that, well done, my talents for writing english to be desired, i certainly found it arduous to re read lol, if anyone can give me any feedback on this i would be grateful a thousand times.

mewtree-peace to all

p.s. i must point out that i do strongly adives against all methods of intoxification ( i am still struggling with that battle) and by no means was i glorifying it in the slightest it was just necersary to explain my own experience which i am sure was a whisper away from fatality.

[UMATURLIN]

i havnt posted for some time, but i will give you my experiances also.

many times when i close my eyes and keep them closed and focus on my third eye a bright white flash like a camera will happen. this will repeat a few times and eventually subside.

i also get vivid colors and swirls of light when i wake up in the middle of the night and try to go back to bed. usualy green, purple, and yellow with a bright white in the middle, this white turns into an indigo color too.

as for light shooting out of the eyes, i don't think this is the case. during the night and early morning you pineal gland is very active. your melotonin and harmine is also very active and when these things are flowing and activated in your sleep patterns, when you wake and return back to dream land these will still be activated and "open" for most of the times. its not a bad thing, if anything enjoy it and focus on these lights.

[Kinds Of Pain Meds]

i've only recently seen dw's talk about the pineal gland and it is quite fascinating. surely, he must have some suggestions for activating it ? aside from the drugs he mentioned in his talk ? is there no way of contacting him directly ?

rh

[unatkot]

i 2nd that, would be good to have some frank and straightforward guidlines for types of meditation in pursuit on pineal activation, something for people to start before they become more able to do this their own way on beckened and regular occurence.

any info out there people can shed light upon for us all?

[Flatlytaize]

well, i just wanna jump on the soapbox for a second on this subject to simply "throw this out there."

i feel that we if get stuck on the "mechanics" of it, it might keep us from moving forward.

what im saying is that we dont have to know how the sun works to know that it is warm and it will grow your crops, right?

its a way of tying us down to our bodies really, if we keep considering how this little gland works and what chemicals it releases and when. its so much more than body mechanics! its all you, its your choice, its your ability. it doesnt matter when your pineal is active or not, what matters is when you open up your spirit.

my only example to offer is that of my own experience as of late. i was so hooked on how to get my pineal to work an even meditated on watching it release chemicals and start me going....at the same time, i got little to no resulsts from that. it was keeping me essentially tied to my body and its functions instead of just knowing that my choice makes my body do things, as a limb or appendage of my consciousness so to say.

once i got past the fact that this little gland was responsible for the physical manifestation of my created action and nothing more, and realized truly that its me doing it and no little glad is going to do it for me, just like a person or another entity couldnt do it for me.

am i making sense? lol...

either way, in light of my "getting past the operations of my body" concerning spirituality/consciousness/meditiation/etc, i have now even embarked upon channelling through auto writing and am starting contact with a 5th density level being, which has absolutely floored me, yet comforted me at the same time.

its all about you and your choices, not you and the ol' meat bag your using for the time being...at the same time im not sure if the success ive had as previously mentioned, would be universal or not. either way it would be good to keep in mind that you dont want to get stuck in bodily functions for anything, no matter what it is...

...and thats just my two cents. over and out.

[reachmanxx]

well, i just wanna jump on the soapbox for a second on this subject to simply "throw this out there."

i feel that we if get stuck on the "mechanics" of it, it might keep us from moving forward.

what im saying is that we dont have to know how the sun works to know that it is warm and it will grow your crops, right?

its a way of tying us down to our bodies really, if we keep considering how this little gland works and what chemicals it releases and when. its so much more than body mechanics! its all you, its your choice, its your ability. it doesnt matter when your pineal is active or not, what matters is when you open up your spirit.

my only example to offer is that of my own experience as of late. i was so hooked on how to get my pineal to work an even meditated on watching it release chemicals and start me going....at the same time, i got little to no resulsts from that. it was keeping me essentially tied to my body and its functions instead of just knowing that my choice makes my body do things, as a limb or appendage of my consciousness so to say.

once i got past the fact that this little gland was responsible for the physical manifestation of my created action and nothing more, and realized truly that its me doing it and no little glad is going to do it for me, just like a person or another entity couldnt do it for me.

am i making sense? lol...

either way, in light of my "getting past the operations of my body" concerning spirituality/consciousness/meditiation/etc, i have now even embarked upon channelling through auto writing and am starting contact with a 5th density level being, which has absolutely floored me, yet comforted me at the same time.

its all about you and your choices, not you and the ol' meat bag your using for the time being...at the same time im not sure if the success ive had as previously mentioned, would be universal or not. either way it would be good to keep in mind that you dont want to get stuck in bodily functions for anything, no matter what it is...

...and thats just my two cents. over and out.

yes i find the act of thinking instead of being keeps me in the body consciousness.

[ITYfl01c]

well kassandraloves, i found your post quite liberating actually from some of my frustration regarding this matter, thx for your perspective it helped.

[AK47rulz]

hi everyone, i'm new here, and am very interested in discussing this subject with you all, david included if he has the time.

i'm a professional researcher currently working on restoring proper pineal function through wave therapy. a therapeutic solution available to everyone should be discovered by 2010

does anyone here already know the link between pineal activity, fluoridation, and calcium stones?

take care

[reiseebup]

thanks otherworldly for joining in. i have been hoping for someone to chime in with some scientific correlating studies on the workings of the gland both physically and metaphysically. i am going through your linked post to the remote viewing site and found the discussions going on there highly fascinating. there seems to be a wide array of information available and the dalai lama has been actively supporting the work through collaboration with prominent scientists such as francisco varela and matthieu richard who is a scientist turned quantum physicist. i am going at this from a wide open perspective in order to gain understanding experientially in conjuction with meditation.
i think you will found this a good place to put out your views for fair discussion. i hope you will continue to visit here. thank you.
alain:d

[xochex]

thanks for the welcome.

first off, i suppose, i will have to say that i can no longer discuss the matter in terms of "views" - this has already been done sufficiently in the thread my signature link leads to.

from this point forward, i will be publically working through the scientific methodology in order to keep all people most interested up on the cutting edge of the matter with us (and people who could help me make the information more widely known, and possibly connect me to other people researching this in the world, to avoid redundancy of duplicate research sub-topics wherever possible).

i believe people have a right to know as soon as possible that at this point, even the most stoic, stalwart of scientific cannot but help to see that there has been in all likelihood a strong connection between the "enforcement" of fluoridation and calcium in the human diet. the two compounds are inextricably linked, and it is my belief that kidney stones are simply an "oh well" byproduct of the true ambition for such unnatural diet encouraging.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/f-sources.htm various products fluoride is put into, aside from drinking water and toothpaste, the "usual suspects".

the calcium program is a little bit trickier to pin down, but my current theory is that the entire fast food and junk food industry is a "provocator" variable, that necessarily leads to the sale of antacids, such as rolaids and tums.

now, the two compounds are a type of "tag team" effect producer. either can do damage on their own if too much is ingested, but it is precisely when too much of each is ingested (as is the case for so many of us), that their worst damage occurs inside of us.

fluorides build up in three areas above all - teeth, the kidney, and the pineal gland. there is nothing particularly "good for us" about fluoride, even the cavity reduction aspect is severely misconstrued (there are far better ways to promote healthy teeth than fluoride, we just do not really have access to them).

calcium will circulate providing the nutrients it usually provides, and unusuable excess is supposed to be brought back out of circulation to be discarded as waste.

however, the problem begins when there is excess fluoride in the areas mentioned above.

calcium will bond where there is fluoride, and begin to form a permanent deposit. you will notice many over-fluoridated children with "bleached" areas on their teeth - this is the most obvious effect of a child who is being bombarded with these two compounds, much to their detriment.

the kidney stone effect is well known - the pain that passing a kidney stone can induce should be reason enough to avoid this tagteam of misery.

but the most shocking and outrageous effect is the formation of a "pineal stone" in the pineal gland. this must have been extremely hard for doctors to notice by chance, given the fact that the stone is completely symmetrical along all axes to the skull, and they are usually looking anywhere but there after doing scans.

however, a dissertation written in '97 clinically proves that this problem is real ( http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/...luke-1997.html ). the author investigates exclusively the inhibition of the pineal glands known contribution to the biological system, the hormone melatonin, which regulates circadian metabolic sleeping patterns. without it, we are hard pressed to fall into a natural state of sleepiness in correlation with the fall of night. furthermore, she finds evidence that girls will reach puberty faster when their pineal contains excess fluoride.

where my work begins is where it might begin to interest david and others here much more directly than with the above alone.

if anyone is familiar with the work of rick strassman, he wrote a significant book entitled "dmt: the spirit molecule". in it, he gives significant evidence that dmt is also synthesized by the pineal.

thus the most damaging effect of fluoridation and ensuant calcification of the pineal gland, i conclude to be the inhibition of spiritual function.

my theories expand on that by investigating the possibility that attempts to engage in spiritual activities release dmt, which possibly "chips away" at any calcium deposit in a way that melatonin is less likely to be able to achieve. dmt seems to be a much more complex compound and i believe counteracts the effects of pineal calcification. the more frequent the spiritual activity, the more the pathways for dmt distribution to the body increases, and the greater the dmt flow "forces" the calcium deposit to not be in the way.

however, those not inclined to spiritual activity might potentially reach the "point of no return" (until soon), passing a critical point whereby the calcium stone has grown large enough to obstruct the natural function of the pineal entirely.

i believe symptoms of this might include constant restlessness to the point that one requires sleeping medication, natural sleep enducers (such as valerian root, ripe banana), or melatonin supplements to be able to go to sleep, the aptitude for growing disdain towards spiritual activity entirely (perhaps atheism could be investigated in this regard?), and overall the tendency to live life entirely via the left brain, or intellectual brain.

does anyone have any commentary or questions given this best attempt at an overview of the situation as i believe it to stand?

thanks for helping me explore what i believe to be one of the most concerning situations humankind faces in this day and age.

[Hoijdxvh]

i have read that the pineal gland does posses the light receptors of an eye, it lacks the focusing parts of our physical eyes but does have a crystal clustered surface much like the crystals used in mobile phones, would meditating on either the light receptors or the crystals help third eye activation,

by the way when i meditate my third eye feels like a marble has been trapped just below the skin and can even become uncomfortable, does anyone else get this? and how is it so when the pineal gland is towards the center of the brain,

i am new to the forum so i hope my posting does not seem too naive, its great to communicate with other seekers of truth for years i have felt quite alone and unable to discuss or voice opinions.
regards david