[StoyaFanst]

i am curious as to what your opinion is about what is stated int this interview.

thanks donald

[beckercpa]

i for one will not be surprised if this were true, false or partly true. things are happening around the world and in my personal life that i thought would not happen or come true. either way, these are exciting times...

one 66

[gennnniiikk]

things are happening around the world and in my personal life that i thought would not happen or come true. either way, these are exciting times...
one 66

indeed!
true and lasting change will only come when the mass consciousness reaches a certain level, and i think we're getting close! i keep seeing more and more stories like this, and about things like free energy, cars that run on water, etc. and freedom from all other forms that keep us running in place. i think most people just don't realize how much control the powers that be are constantly exerting, to keep us too busy to think about the things that would bring us true freedom and serious long term growth and evolution.

there's a similar story about gordon novel, who claims to be working on several forms of suppressed technology. he says too many people working on developing these forms of technology have simply disappeared, or were found dead in a field somewhere, so he put all this technology on a dvd and placed copies of it in many different locations around the world. if anything happens to him his attorneys are instructed to flood the world with all these dvds, making all this knowledge public. he claims he will be mass producing this technology "by the end of this decade."

and then there's dennis lee from [email for url] who claims to have the technology to forever end our dependence on fossil fuels, but he met a lot of resistance when he tried to market it. so he has a plan to build 120 of these machines and rent 120 football stadiums, and put on a massive nationwide demonstration, the idea being that if enough people are made aware it would be un-stoppable. this is scheduled to take place next year.

yes sir-ee!! the times they are a-changing, and i think we're close to the 'tipping point'! exciting times, indeed! what a great time to be alive and waking up!:d :d

[klnbgqr]

what happened with fulford and the 48 hour ultimatum??

[G778G9P0]

what happened with fulford and the 48 hour ultimatum??

i like to think that jeff rense plans to follow-up on (or with) fulford within a week or two. then again, i know better than to anticipate such things. and, with each passing day, as i mull the fulford material further and masticate on its meaning for me personally, i'm left feeling increasingly suspicious about this communication overall.

who was it who said "all communication is political"? to put it another way, as i pull away from the content of fulford's communication, i get a better glimpse of the form it's packaged in. what might that be? well let's see: a string of sudden interviews and articles making a big audible splash on one of the most popular fringe conspiracy sites in town, each making tremendous claims, punctuated by a personal gunslinging promise made by benjamin himself on behalf of his invisible 6 million person worldwide army....

the form, in short, is larger than life: it is the stuff of high drama, with easily identifiable enemies and a simplistic plot-line that seems to preempt critical thinking, and reward a simplistic either/or, all-or-nothing interpretation, serving, whether intentionally or not, to shut down individual thinking, and with it, free-will.

further, i think that the form is irresponsible, to the extent that it is not followed-up upon with any kind of regularity of reflection, and regular feedback between the bestowers of this strange dialogue, namely, jeff rense and benjamin fulford.

i'm left feeling this communication to be wanting on the form-side of things (not to mention somewhat histrionic and strangely theatrical), and somewhat incredible and simplistic on the content-side.

this kind of personal critical analysis helps me regain my sense of a healthy individual perspective of uncertainty before fulford's epic presentation, while waiting to see what, if anything, rense communicates further. i will be paying close attention if there is another installment to see if it feels like more bait to keep me hanging on for more still. if so, my suspicion will harden into distrust.

in the meantime, i've noticed that the second-to-last entry on fulford's private home page is both a dead link and a lousy title for anything. i'm ready to call his bluff for such apparent carelessness alone. but not quite....

regardless...whether the fulford story bears any truth or not, i do appreciate the chance to use this emerging material as a chance to ongoingly exercise my own critical thinking in service to the preservation of free-will.

chris

[gimffnfabaykal]

well, if he ain't speaking the truth, the only thing which makes sense then is that he is trying to brainwash and confuse us. why else would you do such interviews whenever you are not telling the truth? either he is trying his best he can, or his is the devil in disguise.

maybe i ought to read some of his book, find out on which side he is on. are there any english ones?

[WomanBreast40356]

well, if he ain't speaking the truth, the only thing which makes sense then is that he is trying to brainwash and confuse us. why else would you do such interviews whenever you are not telling the truth? either he is trying his best he can, or his is the devil in disguise.

maybe i ought to read some of his book, find out on which side he is on. are there any english ones?

hi, alisima

i think the closest to this subject that fulford's books explore would be that of japanese finances/politiics, which is not what you are looking for. for a number of reasons i don't expect that we will hear much about anything for an indefinite period of time. anyway, i find it all quite interesting but i'm not holding my breath. (... sound of long exhalation )

billbobbutterbeltninjaguy

[KhJOHbTM]

i listened to both fulford interviews on rense and at first thought him delusional. the second interview seemed saner. it has occurred to me, however, that he may be pointing a way out of the current mess. the membership lists of the carlyle group(s), cfr, trilarileral commission, pnac, etc. are not hard to find. what if they were all wiped out?

[ChrisGoldstein]

well, if he ain't speaking the truth, the only thing which makes sense then is that he is trying to brainwash and confuse us. why else would you do such interviews whenever you are not telling the truth?

benjamin may be ignorant of the people he thinks he's representing. or: the people he's representing may themselves be ignorant of an even bigger picture that encloses them in what may amount to an entrapping pattern of violence.

in short, if violent gang-warfare is the sought means to bring an end to the perceived present evils of __________ (fill in the blank with enemy/threat of choice), is it really a solution to the problem? or is this just: (a) a desperate solution to a moral crisis beyond anyone's control at this point in earth's history; or (b) a fictional solution that will serve, intentionally or otherwise, to foment continental warfare in the name of bringing about its end?

either way, i see this as potentially being a seriously distracting public communication, in the sense that it may be leading many a pop-fringer off into a simplistic reality-tunnel, with the negative result of helping shut down individual free-will, and with it, to reduce our capacity for being open to divine influence at this breakthrough moment in time. of course, it's up to each of us to question the nature of such communications for ourselves, but regardless, this to me remains a real liability inherent in fantastical scenarios like fulford's: their seductive draw that can lead individuals away from our own sovereign, creative, empowering position in relation to the creator.

i'm not saying this is fulford's intent, but i do see it as being a real liability belonging to the style of his communication, regardless of whether his story amounts to fiction or reality, or some strange mix of the two (i.e., disinfo).

can't say i'm helping to clarify fulford's presentation any...but maybe that's up to fulford and/or rense to do. and yeah, maybe they will in due course, hopefully helping to clarify the veracity of fulford's truth-claims a little more. in the meantime, i'll try to keep my mind open to possibilities for personal and world transformation beyond mind-closing siren-calls for supporting scenarios that may amount to nothing more than useless violence.

what those real alternative possibilities for life-positive transformation of self and world amount to is the subject for hopefully many threads to come on this here peace-positive, individually-empowering, divinely-inspired site!

chris

[HonestSean]

i have listened, read and thought quite a bit about the fulford material, which is all located here:

http://www.rense.com/datapages/fulfdat.htm

i have independent verification of many of the things he's saying, including the idea of two major opposing factions in the elite, which he calls the rockefeller (american) and rothschild (european) factions. this is nothing new to me.

furthermore, his elucidation of the asian politics i find very interesting. i wrote a paper on the late 19th-century "meiji restoration" of japan in college and i never could quite 'grok' how a 16-year-old boy became emperor. it makes a lot more sense that there was a larger political entity behind all that, who deliberately installed a malleable person for the top power position.

from my own personal experience with dan burisch -- a former member of the top secret society on the american side known as majestic -- his perspective is that the european side is the one trying to promote mass population reduction, and the majestic / american side has been trying to stop them.

now fulford's team appears to be saying exactly the opposite about who is the biggest offender in terms of such nefarious plans. the japanese and chinese apparently think the rothschilds are the less problematic of the two. the truth is most likely in between -- namely both sides are doing similar things and thinking in similar ways.

my readings were describing the two factions long before i really understood it all. they said these opposing factions end up canceling each other out, so none of them can realize their goals of worldwide control.

fulford's statements appear to be very serious. i find it highly unlikely that someone holding a major position for forbes magazine would suddenly be making public assassination threats and naming names if he were not serious, and believed that he really was representing a group that was capable of doing it and of protecting him.

granted, fulford was let go from his job at forbes, he says for asking questions about where all the japanese money was disappearing to -- but one would assume he could easily get another job with that background. the point i'm making is that it all adds up to suggest that fulford is shooting straight.

er, maybe that wasn't the best choice of words...

in the second transcript fulford mentions that the rockefeller clique 'responded' to the threat with an earthquake-producing weapon right underneath the largest japanease reactor, causing a major disaster.

this was on monday, july 16, just hours before the "fire the grid" meditation was scheduled to begin, 10 days after fulford first made the announcement on live radio. imagine the effect it would have had on public morale had the disaster occurred directly during the meditation!

i can easily see someone timing it for that type of 'dual purpose', though no one in the public seems to have connected the earthquake and the meditation besides rense's transcriber and a post i made soon after the meditation itself. if such technology exists, and the group is as sarcastic and cynical as it often seems to be from other testimony, this certainly could be something they would do.

no one else has commented on this next point so far:

fulford's first show was on july 6th and the first transcript materialized on rense's site on july 12th. no one wants to listen to a long radio show, but once it's in writing the whole thing can be seen and studied in a few minutes. the quake occurred just four days after the arrival of the transcript. and there's more...

let's assume for the moment that everything fulford said is true. this would be an enormous, unprecedented threat to the majestic side. everyone in their group is probably at the top of the chinese secret society's "hit list". you would think this would cause them a great deal of concern, even if they believed fulford was lying.

on july 23rd, just a week and a half after the bluntly threatening words appeared in writing, marcia mcdowell publicly announced that burisch -- a recently retired top member of majestic -- was going totally off the public and private radar.

it is very likely that dan's duties were re-instated by majestic, though i have no direct confirmation of this. i have bolded certain areas of her announcement for emphasis:

http://www.neweaglesforum.proboards1...7322851&page=3

"last week i was notified that someone would be requesting dan's assistance in a matter matching his expertise. dan will be involved with them through the next few months. while i cannot go into the exact nature of the activities, it is safe to say that it is critical enough for him to be required to show full devotion to the issue.

what's good about this is that we have an end date:

december 14, 2007.

i will stop in here, as normal, and visit with folks and try to give any public updates - as possible.

dan will still be available for interviews, so long as i am given a week or so to schedule them...

dan and i apologize for any inconvenience this may bring, but he too understands that this issue is too important to do anything else than what he has decided to do: give all available healthy time to it.

[second post]

we have been flooded with emails, telephone calls, im's, pm's, many asking where dan is, does it concern his health, and whether this means that there is a reason for a larger concern about world events?

thank you all for the care and concern.

we can't comment on dan's activities, and we doubt that dan will comment when he returns on december 15th, but i can say that there is absolutely no reason to have any concern of any kind because of dan's temporary absence.

there was no reason to try to hedge, between now and december 15th, as to why dan wasn't here, so we just came out with it: he's on a sabbatical leave due to the need to have him fully concentrating on one subject in which he is an expert.

dan's leave has nothing to do with any change in his or anyone's health. his health is poor, but he is getting along well. the families are fine."
anyone studying this publicly-stated information could make an obvious correlation here. if majestic suddenly heard about a group threatening to wipe them all out, they would want to use whatever means available to see into the future and predict when they would try it, so they could protect themselves from the attack.

we already know from his testimony that dan worked on an alleged et-derived technology called looking glass, which does purportedly has the ability to see into the future.

here's the problem. if you have studied the burisch mythology, then you know all lg devices were allegedly shut down as of last december -- in the hopes of saving our planet. the "why" is a bit complex.

according to burisch, a surge of energy from the galactic center floods the earth with "micro-wormholes" in 2012, having a dimensional-shifting effect. this also can destabilize the earth on its axis if it does not occur smoothly.

even though this event is most likely to occur in december 2012, the lg visualizations indicated it might occur at any point between late 2006 and 2017.

the law of one series, which i hold as being accurate, also gives a 'before and after' spread centering on 2012, but gives a smaller range of 2010 to 2013. this is another interesting correspondence between the two sources.

burisch also describes alleged time-travelers from earth's own future who say, in their 'history,' a pole shift was caused around the 2012 timeframe. they believe it was caused by such lg technology being still operational when the galactic energy surge hit. otherwise they believe it would not have happened.

the lg devices (and their larger-scale twins called 'the ark', used to create traversible wormholes) gate in hyperdimensional energy very strongly. this force is allegedly strong enough to disrupt the earth's grid and cause the planet to move through the 2012 process in an asymmetric way, creating pole shift.

by shutting the lgs down it was believed that the pole shift could be averted, and our future could shift into a timeline where it never happened. this shutdown was supposedly done by or before december 2006. the last viewings before then said it was much more likely -- i believe it was 84 percent likely -- that the earth would not experience pole shift.

is it possible that they would be tempted to turn the machines back on, at least long enough to try to forecast when this chinese group might strike, even while knowing the risks? absolutely. that's all the more reason why they would want everyone close to the project to be involved in the new operation.

they may also have decided that all their data-gathering would be complete by december 14th -- that's probably as long as they'd be willing to risk turning the devices back on for.

personally, as i have said before, it seems that the entities burisch is working with, allegedly from our future, are nearly 100-percent consistent with everything the law of one series said about the service-to-self polarity.

i have often enunciated a model on this site where i suppose that everyone shifts into time-space in 2012, thus protecting them from any such probabilities. the law of one series tells us not to worry about earth changes in the least.

however, it is certainly possible that those who lean decisively towards the negative side (such as illuminati members who are "walking the walk") actually do stay on the earth in physical embodiment through whatever happens in 2012.

don't forget the law of one series did also say there would be a pole shift of about 22 degrees. they also said you shouldn't worry about it and strongly imply that no one - or almost no one - would actually be here in the physical when it happens.

so, it may be that some people actually do stick around for the part we're told not to worry about -- and the survivors of that event are the ones now traveling back in time and trying to prevent it, due to the alleged damage it caused to their genetic code.

[the law of one series similarly describes a 'dissolving' effect that occurs for entities on the negative path, which is ultimately lethal, but said it can only be solved by the entities going positive. this is yet another amazing connection between burisch's material and the law of one material. i have interviewed burisch in the past and confirmed that he was unaware of this connection, and never studied the law of one material.]

the burisch story has two different groups that form from this remnant of humanity's alleged future. one group survived from the earth's surface and another group survived from the underground bases they were hiding in (that should tell you something right there.)

the surface entities migrated to orion and became the so-called 'nordics', maintaining a normal human appearance. [the law of one series says the negative entities are headquartered in orion and refers to all negative ets interacting with earth at this time as orion 'crusaders'.]

in burisch's story, the underground earth survivors had 'adaptive mutations' in 2-3 generations that led to the physiology we now associate with grays.

in the model burisch was told by his superiors, there were no other ets out there except for these two groups that evolved separately from survivors of earth after 2012.

so, in summary we have a very interesting and strange series of events going on here. i have found dazzling correlations between the burisch and law of one material and now burisch's apparent recall into majestic occurs just days after fulford's internationally-publicized threat.

again, i encourage you not to trouble yourself with these questions and realize that higher forces are guiding and protecting this "ascension" process. i would also guess that if fulford is entirely for real, the use of lg technology would not be sufficient to predict and block all such actions.

trust is an important factor. i trust that all is well on this planet. i also know that there are much better ways to help the planet than through 'hard power' and gangster tactics.

the main product we promote on this site is the science of peace series -- it keeps the lights on and the rent paid, and more importantly it is a comprehensive revelation of just how much we can do to create a more peaceful planet.

if fulford's society understood what i put through in that series they would be much more concerned with using their leverage to teach the public the truth rather than fighting fire with fire. if, for example, large numbers of japanese alone started meditating in large groups, and making it a daily practice, the whole planet would further benefit enormously.

i have written enough about it on this site that you don't need to download the series if you have a money problem. the most important thing is to strive for the highest truth and integrity possible in your daily life. live in love and in trust that all is well, keep cool nad let your mind stay balanced and pure. that has a radiant effect on everyone else's mind on earth that is very real, and has now been proven.

peace be with you -

- david

[iOqedeyH]

...don't forget the law of one series did also say there would be a pole shift of about 22 degrees. they also said you shouldn't worry about it and strongly imply that no one - or almost no one - would actually be here in the physical when it happens....
[note from moderator: ra does not say there will be a pole shift of 22 degrees-they simply say that transiting into 4d will be fetched with much inconvenience (paraphrased)]]

i think its also important, not to forget that the law of one series suggests that "prophecies of doom" seem a sort of "polution" related to orion influence. in addition to that, there was a suggestion that prophecies were useful in the context of possibility/probablility vortice, though examples of ra's mathematical aptitude may seem weak. the north magnetic pole does seem to be on the move, about 1 degree west a year and about 0.35 degrees north per year (approximately 40km/year)...maybe twenty years ago this was different, difficult to say for sure.

the ambiguity of words seems curious, by being "here" did they mean physically at the physical location of the magnetic pole? i can't imagine that's a popular vacation spot.

[snunsebrugs]

ihowever, it is certainly possible that those who lean decisively towards the negative side (such as illuminati members who are "walking the walk") actually do stay on the earth in physical embodiment through whatever happens in 2012.

i must be misunderstanding something for i thought that earth is/will be a 4d
positive planet.

how can 4d sts live here if this is the case?

[ecosportpol_ru]

a planet exists across a range of densities; planets such as mars or venus, although appearing virtually dead and/or not/no longer supporting human life, may well be seen, if you could look at them through a pair of magical 4d glasses, to host a fully vibrant, living 4d or otherwise supporting biosphere.

it was suggested by ra that the planet mars, after its own harvest, supported a small colony of humans for a time, presumably in underground shelters, after the planet had essentially 'died' in 3d.

perhaps in a similar way that there are those on earth now who maintain a 'double body', extremely service to others-oriented and thus able to maintain a 3d body as well as a 4d body, those who wield considerable power in their extreme service to self polarity in 3d can somehow proof themselves against the harvest for a time.

[StevenS]

i must be misunderstanding something for i thought that earth is/will be a 4d
positive planet.

how can 4d sts live here if this is the case?

4d sts-candidates live here, alongside 4d sto-candidates, as it were.

until space-time (r)evolves into time-space, we're all 3d, regardless of orientation.

[iOqedeyH]

david --

thanks very much for your wide-ranging reflection on the potential real significance of fulford's disclosure, in light of burisch, the majestic, et al. very thorough and thought-provoking views!

clearly, holding the essential tension of cognitive uncertainty while attempting to digest fulford's unverified truth-claims to form a relevant possible perspective of the same is not an easy task. but: filling in the uncertain middle with well-considered reflections together here does seem to give us many opportunities for recognizing perhaps all the more clearly the wider context and the greater drama (i.e., ascension, harvest, divine protection) in which these emerging sub-plots can be progressively read, regardless of either their veracity or ultimate outcome.

chris

[reiruviartugs]

i have been reading the most incredible transcripts from jeff rense interview with benjamin fulford discussing the illuminatti. i have checked benjamin out on the net and he is a rather impressive person. the information in these transcripts will blow you away. it realy puts all the things going on in the world in a different perspective. donald

rense: okay. back with you. benjamin fulford, live from tokyo, is with us. pretty stunning material. all right, ben, you had a personal story you wanted to share. go ahead.

fulford: my great grandfather was g.t. fulford. he was one of the richest men in the world - george taylor fulford. you can find him on wikipedia. he was one of the richest men on earth, and he was the largest single shareholder in general electric.

he was going to finance nikola tesla, but he was murdered by the rockefellers in 1905. it was made to look like a car accident.

rense: your grandfather.

fulford: great grandfather.

rense: great grandfather. so really! wow.

fulford: and the family fortune was stolen. my grandfather was only three years old at the time. the family fortune was taken over by the rockefellers. my grandfather didn't know how to suspend his assets.

i am telling the rockefellers right now, they can think of me as the ghost of g.t. fulford, come back over a century - from four generations - to get justice.


here is the link to all interviews http://rense.com/datapages/fulfdat.htm

here is link to latest interview read others first before reading this for it to all make sense http://rense.com/general77/chinsec.htm and then this one after http://rense.com/general77/ful2.htm

[WaydayFep]

what impressed me the most about the plan to overthrow the illuminati is that physical force would be used only as last resort. the "negative" rulers would be offered amnesty and even be able to stay with their families . . with the understanding that from now on they would do "good" deeds for humanity. what a deal! :-)

[Starichok]

ive been tracking this info closely since it started and the most interesting part of it all seems to be the article titled "the new cambrian explosion". this article fits in nicely with our perspective here and seems to give credence to the validity of his mission. i too, believe the only way for peace to truly be established is through amnesty for these characters as alfred weber so aptly describes in his exopolotical philosophy. amnesty is the only compassionate way to deal with these spiritual infants for they are we. one may only hope this amazing story is just absurd enough to be true.

i love everything
hyatt

[Enladalusange]

...one may only hope this amazing story is just absurd enough to be true.

well put! i too have been following the fulford material since it showed up, while keeping mum about it around here till now. what are we to make of this figure? jeff rense takes him seriously. i'm inclined to too, though until there is evidence to back up his claims, i have to remind myself that his story technically remains folklore to me.

still, recent dreams i've had of the illmnti have corresponded with the unfolding of the fulford material in a way that feels, in my gut, like an intuitive verification of fulford's reports as being real. following the 2 japanese earthquakes last week, i found myself wondering if these could be designer disasters. fulford's second 3-hour long interview with rense claims exactly this to be the case, as a direct response to the ultimatum he is delivering on behalf of the organized resistance to the illmnti that he claims to personally represent.

either this all amounts to fringe showmanship fiction of a high order, effectively upping the ante of "popspiracy" to a new level (possibly as disinfo), or: it is real, with imminant visible evidence likely about to be publicly verified, one way or another.

according to fulford and rense, we'll find out soon enough.....

chris

[SOgLak]

after visiting other forums discussing fulford, i'm now considering two additional possibilities:

a) fulford may be being used -- unwittingly and completely innocently -- into doing the bidding of an unrecognized agent serving the very folks he's hoping to counter; or

b) fulford is consciously acting on behalf of an unnamed sts team that seeks to foment chaos in the name of taking out the illmnti -- and this by falsely identifying the illmnti with only one or two main financier families.

in other words, fulford may be playing into "the revealing", perhaps even "the revelation of the method" -- in which sts game masters publicly disclose their true purposes and identity (slavemasters seeking global enslavement) prior to enacting the means towards that end in broad daylight. my understanding about the significance of this kind of communication is that it is a calculated attempt to paralyze the free will of the recipient of that communication, in this case, perhaps by preparing the public to think that there really is no way out of global conflict. in reading fulford's second 3-hour interview with rense, this does in fact appear to be a subtle communication.

i think that any serious consideration of this recent information has to include these more sinister possibilities as well -- one's that go beyond either/or thinking.

at the same time, choosing to wait and see does seem to me to be the soberest approach to holding all possibilities in mind, while preserving maximum open cognitive clarity, and thereby, free will.

peace, chris