[Golotop]

thanks for bringing this to post. i was hanging back waiting for a bolder soul than myself to act percipitously

like the rest of you i have been monitering the fulford material. there is a bunch there! in fact i had to go over it a second time. fascinating.

if even 1/4th is true it would be truly sensational. even if fulford is a pawn i have the sense that he is convinced that he is telling the truth. considering his background activites in japan i can see why he would have been selected as the logical one for this very dicey interfacing role.

i thought it an interesting aside that his grandmother was a psychic medium who advised the prime minister of canada back in the 20/30s ... with her contact being no other than her late husband who had been supposedly murdered by the "powers that be". that fact does give a poetic justice twist for the great grandson, benjamin fulford, in being the agent suggesting a practical denoument for this lously master/slave situation.

baronbillyroths...whoops! almost blew my cover there ...

[clomoll]

hi gang: thanks to the mods for not pulling the posts. (that should tell us sumething, eh?) i was up very late last night reading the transcripts and was amazed because my current understanding of the state of the whole world has been opened up considerably. it reads like something tom clancy would write in a novel! we have to remember that the chinese and japanese are also one with us and even the sts folks are one with us, but on the other end of polarity...just doing their thing, so to speak. let this not engender fear. everything will be ok! pray for peace. jax

[tipoketpu]

impressive victorian home!
snipped from http://www.brockville.com/port/brockattractions.html
fulford place
no visit to the famous 1000 islands would be complete without a tour of fulford place. senator george taylor fulford made millions from "pink pills for pale people", a patent medicine he manufactured in brockville and sold around the world. fulford recognized the commercial potential of the readership developed by mass-circulation newspapers and built his business on saturation print advertising. he constructed fulford place, a 20,000-square-foot edwardian mansion between 1899 and 1901. the original grounds were designed by frederick olmsted of the olmsted landscaping firm, which also designed central park in new york city. snipped from http://www.brockville.com/port/brockattractions.html
correspondence between mary fulford and mackenzie king began in the 1920s and, by the early 1930s, she is regularly mentioned in his diary. she and king were both interested in spiritualism. in february 1932, mary fulford introduced king to the detroit medium etta wriedt. king attended seances with mrs. wriedt at fulford place. mary fulford visited king in ottawa on several occasions and attended seances with him there. keeponkeepingon (or koko), :d

[Rithlilky]

in case you missed the previous article and follow up interview on the rense program i have included them in this e-mail as well. latest update is the third article.

here was the first one – chinese secret society challenges illuminati
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?id=6790

follow-up rense interview can be heard here:
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news3/rense_fulford.htm

and the latest article from fullford - secret government promises big changes
http://benjaminfulford.com/secretgoverment.html

enjoy!!!

[prmwsinfo]

i found this today, it's the latest from benjamin. donald
http://rense.com/general77/fful.htm

secret government
promises big changes
by benjamin fulford
8-14-7

the secret government of the us and eu has promised a major overhaul in the wake of the warning it got from the chinese secret society, according to a senior japanese public security police officer and freemason who has been acting as an intermediary with the chinese secret society.

"expect big changes this autumn," he said in comments confirmed by a member of the japanese royal family. "what you will be seeing is the unwinding of george bush, senior's 50-year campaign to turn the u.s. into a fascist regime," the secret police agent says. "george bush senior is now a broken man showing signs of senile dementia," he adds. "they [the illuminati] know their rule is ending but they do not want it to end in an ugly way," the security police source says.

the recent market turmoil, including the chinese threat to sell dollars, was part of the bargaining towards major changes in the secret balance of power, we are told.

certainly, there are some encouraging signs. the tearful resignation of u.s. presidential "brain" karl rove removes a central lynchpin of bush's regime. since it follows six other resignations, it does look like rats abandoning a sinking ship.

in japan, meanwhile, the victory of the opposition democratic party in the recent upper house elections could lead to the end of the iraq and afghan wars. japan democratic party leader ichiro ozawa has promised to block renewal of an "anti-terrorist" bill that allows japan's self-defense forces to provide considerable logistical support to the u.s. sponsored wars in the region. without that support, it is unlikely the u.s. will have enough money or military might to continue them.

since this follows uk prime minister brown's vow to remove british troops with or without u.s. approval, it will mean the bush regime has lost its last big war allies. brown also publicly rebuked bush during a recent visit by doing such things as pointedly refusing to take home a souvenir he was given.

there are also signs the japanese election was manipulated behind the scenes to promote a democratic party victory in japan. just before the election, the japanese mainstream media suddenly began reporting heavily about a pension scandal the jdp has been talking - unreported - about for at least 5 years. this was crucial for their victory. we may see a general election as early as this fall, followed by the birth of a jdp government and an end to the post- war japanese regime. it could be a sign of diminished rockefeller influence in japan. however, it is not a sign of diminished illuminati control of japan since ozawa is himself a freemason.

despite the positive developments, the biggest worry is all the public hints about a new "terrorist attack" on the u.s. to be used as an excuse to trigger martial law. however, such an attack at this time "would fool nobody," the sources said. many u.s. citizens might be fooled but no other government in the world would believe it. "the secret government knows they cannot use their old tricks anymore."

the chinese secret societies meanwhile, are watching carefully for any sign of new attempts to spread disease or otherwise carry out genocidal attacks. they only give one warning and have now initiated a news blackout. i am not in the loop about what they would do if a new breach was found, but they did say whatever action they took would be "unpredictable and worse than expected."

at the same time, an anti-rothschild alliance has been formed in tokyo. they warn that the entire bush regime was probably set up as a "bad cop" to scare people in the arms of the eu "good cop." they say there may be other surprises, possibly including a fake ufo invasion that henry kissinger* hinted at during the 1991 bilderberg meeting. "we will have to look at least four or five steps ahead in order to keep on top of these people," the alliance says.

so far, the eu only consists of governments that are controlled in secret by the rothschilds, etc. (turkey is also a rothschild fiefdom). their secret parliament, the bilderbergers, have already shown they are racist by refusing to allow any japanese to join. as a result, any effort to turn the eu into the base of a world government is doomed to fail.

the anti-rothschild alliance, (with the discreet backing of the chinese secret societies), will be contacting leaders of russia, china, india, the muslim countries, south america, africa, etc. to create a global alliance that will demand a new way of running the planet.

the un security council will have to be replaced with a new grouping that more accurately represents the people of this planet. as it stands, 4 out of the 5 permanent security council members are representatives of caucasian nations even though only 17% of the world's people are caucasian. this global apartheid will have to end.

the world's financial system will also have to be replaced with a more transparent and equitable system that relies on more than simple human greed as the main incentive for transactions.

once this is done, a three-year campaign against the five curses of humanity: war, poverty, environmental destruction, ignorance and disease could be carried out. this could be a test case for replacing the hegelian system of pitting opposite forces against each other in war with a system for people to compete towards agreed upon peaceful goals.

the industries and lobbies that have depended on war and turmoil will have to be given new goals and direction. one possibility would be a long-term campaign to terraform mars.

people will have to be patient, however. these changes will happen over a period of years, not months. in the meantime, let us see if the autumn surprise appears as promised.

* "today, america would be outraged if un troops entered los angeles to restore order (referring to the la riots). tomorrow they will be grateful. this is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. it is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from evil. the one thing every man fears is the unknown. when presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well- being granted to them by the world government." - henry kissinger, bilderberg meeting 1991

[arriftell]

this is probably from natural causes but thought it was interesting in light of recent claims.

http://www.upi.com/newstrack/top_new...ad_at_90/1760/

banker, vintner rothschild dead at 90

innsbruck, austria, aug. 8 (upi) -- the baron elie de rothschild, who helped run france's successful rothschilds' bank, died this week in austria at the age of 90.

the telegraph reported wednesday that the death of rothschild comes after he enjoyed a successful career both with his famed paris banking family and as the temporary head of his family's french chateau lafite-rothschild vineyard.

a success in both worlds, rothschild remained an active individual until his death tuesday in the austrian alps.

after a lucrative stint controlling the vineyard, rothschild eventually handed over control of the celebrated vineyard to his nephew eric in 1974.

while rothschild enjoyed success in both the wine-making and banking industry, it all came after he had spent time in a german prisoner of war camp during world war ii.

captured by german forces in 1940, rothschild attempted numerous unsuccessful escape attempts before ultimately being freed.

the british newspaper said that during his incarceration, rothschild did marry his girlfriend liliane fould-springer by proxy and they later had two daughters and a son.

[loolitoertego]

i just found another post today 7/16/07. donald

http://www.rense.com/general77/camb.htm
the new cambrian explosion
by benjamin fulford
7-15-7

we are on the verge of something that will be bigger than the cambrian explosion.

for 3 billion years, individual life-forms were so small they could only be seen with a microscope. then, in a geological eye-blink, a vast cornucopia of macroscopic life appeared. a similar phase- transition is imminent.

we now possess a set of tools that gives us god-like power. with that power comes god-like moral responsibility. we have, or will soon have: the ability to manipulate our genes at will, access to virtually unlimited free energy and real-time full-spectrum communications abilities. this will allow for the birth of a plethora of communities that will take on the aspects of super- beings. we know these now as governments, cultures, societies, corporations, religions, individuals etc. however, with the new technology, that is about to change.

[note from moderator: please visit the above url to read the rest of the article]

[Bobdilan]

i'd like to offer the following response to fulford's latest as a reflection of my own personal investment in this stream of information, and in service to our ongoing consideration of this material together. if there's one thing i feel forums have helped me recognize and appreciate in an actively conscious way, it is that how i relate to emerging information (of any kind), is every bit as important as the information itself, since what is at stake is not just whether such information is true or false, but my own relation to reality altogether on the basis of my relation to information about reality.


part 1

it's good to see fulford is still sharing information.

i also noticed that the dead link on his personal website titled "anti-semitism is anti-satanism" is now active, and that it links to an essay that's pretty straightforward in explaining what that very strange title actually means.

these are strange days indeed. . .to find oneself taking in this kind of blow-by-blow activity on the lo-fi medium of the internet, no less.... so according to fulford's latest installment, the benign chinese secret society he claims to represent has been taken seriously by the negative elite these globally-positioned chinese good-guys intend to counter, with positive results likely to be made publicly visible sometime this fall for all to see.

fwiw, my own internal dialogue in response runs as follows: it's all folklore, until it isn't. it's all just another story, a possible description of a possible reality. if and when concrete events verify, in one way or another, the veracity of fulford's truth-claims, i'll have real information to go on. until then, as with the recent haiti ufo video's, the twilight zone of uncertainty between possible stories (and you tube videos!) about reality, and the actual reality they seek to describe remains firmly in place. uncertainty, as an openness to many possibilities while taking none to be the case, is the most accurate relation to reality i can have, without some kind of concrete evidence to instill a sense of reasonable belief. holding uncertainty as my conscious cognitive perspective in this rigorously intentional way maximizes my experience of free-will.

objective story subjective uncertainty

holding the essential tension between these two dimensions of information-reception remains my primary focus, if and until objective evidence permits me to believe any story to accurately describe the way things actually are.

i am personally very grateful that fulford has more to offer, and that the initial results of his overall public disclosure (story or otherwise) appear to be potentially benign, possibly in service to a positive revolution that might be global in scope.

i hold this hope alongside the possibility that fulford's presentation may also be one-sided, limited, and/or premature, intentionally or otherwise. this too is always possible. uncertainty demands this be taken into account.

as per usual, one can only wait and see, and hope for the best....


part 2

part of the reason why i feel drawn to share this basic level of information analysis with others here is because i feel personally quite connected to the drama of the imminent, progressive exposure of the negative elite on earth. for years my dreamlife has guided me through visionary meetings and visitations with secret society's with startling poignancy. my most recent encounter in dreamtime, several months ago, which preceded fulford's public disclosure, found me sharing conversation with two high-ranking illuminati members, one of whom signified his recognition that i knew who he was in his abstract, indirect, superior way. his monologue was punctuated by him drawing forth three secret symbols from behind the lapel of his fine suit, and throwing them like daggers into the window curtain on the far end of the room. upon throwing the third symbol/dagger, the curtain lit up in flames, and i felt deeply struck by the unwavering confidence and utterly entitled conviction this man -- and others like him -- have for taking over the world.

my dream moved on, the second part in which i found myself at a private illuminati party. the theme was christmas, and i found myself observing the strangeness of many well-to-do people wearing masks and wearing only the finest threads. i was standing next to a christmas tree, which, to my shock, was decorated with deeply profane symbols and dolls, including one of hitler hanging from a noose. (i had not yet seen kubrick's film about a secret society costume orgy. shortly after this dream, i did so.)

the third part of the dream found me in the basement of this same party, at a large banquet behind closed doors, where there was a gathering vibe of group energy building in the space, until at one point it reached such a pitch of intensity that everyone suddenly locked arms -- someone grabbing mine -- and i felt a demonic current flow through everyone in the room in a kind of collective euphoric frenzy as this power enveloped everyone into a unity of dark intent. it was at that point that i found myself reciting a name of god, and effortlessly disengaging from this scene, floating up away from it altogether, restored to my essential freedom.

[end of dream]

shortly after having this disturbing dream, i read an article online somewhere describing an illuminati costumed party called a "feast of heaven and hell" that reminded me very much like the party in the second part of my dream. i took note of this, and wondered to what extent my dream was some kind of visionary alert of things to come.

noting the above, when fulford's amazing public disclosures came online, i felt their pivotal importance with a sense of bone-deep personal relevance. in this light, it would be very easy for me to accept fulford's claims at face value, given the felt correspondence with my dream life, as well as just my own subjective feeling about fulford himself being a straight-shooter with nothing to hide.

but it seems worth saying, even repeatedly and in many different ways, that the primary value of both intuitive visionary dreams i have like these, as with the value of emerging information like fulford's, is in offering me a chance to remain open to all possibilities to a kind of detailed extreme, one perhaps not possible without them. this, rather than either leaping to prematurely belief in one possibility over and against others before adequate evidence presents itself. and this, too, rather than closing my mind to all possibilities, and remaining unnecessarily skeptical.

and so i choose to be open to fulford's claims in a detailed way, which also means remaining cognitively uncertain to a rigorous extreme -- in proportion to the level of unverified detail i am choosing to be open to, and not closing my mind prematurely by either accepting or rejecting the information given. i find this cognitive move to be therapeutic and restorative in preserving my felt sense of free-will before what would otherwise amount to unverified belief or cynical skepticism.

(i hope all this doesn't sound simple-minded or insulting to the intelligence of others. in actual fact -- and here i take a deep breath -- i feel that clarifying this relationship between being open and cognitive uncertainty amounts to a deep healing of a longstanding karmic wound related to my own possible involvement/captivity to an sts order along these lines in previous lifetimes. this much has been suggested, anyway, by other related dreams which i won't burden folks here with, apart from noting that i do not find this dream and others like them to be a reflection of my merely personal psyche. such dreams as these arrive with an enhanced feeling of some kind, accompanied by a deep gut-punch of emotionally chiseled, felt-truth. at the same time, i'm not without my personal shadow, which very well may include a deep-historical connection to these characters of some kind that is now being "recycled" perhaps.)


conclusion

remaining intentionally open in cognitive uncertainty permits all possibilities their potential reality. cognitive uncertainty about reality is the mind's analogue to being ontologically open to emerging reality at the core.

standing in cognitive uncertainty takes work! so much so that i would so much prefer to have a story to believe....

but to believe prematurely information that has no evidence is to be knowingly immature in myself, and willing to sacrifice my sacrosanct free-will for a good story in its place. this level of subtle relinquishment of sovereignty at the level of information-reception is worth guarding against with sharpened awareness.

i would like to think that this way of reading current events -- vigilantly holding them in uncertainty as they continue to emerge and unfold -- may also be a positive way of participating in them, one that might maximize being open, and that this potent quality of being -- however cognitively uncertain it otherwise must be -- is itself a communicative, positive contribution in itself.

fiz

(on edit: my first posted version of this post was full of typo's, which i attribute not just to my own carelessness, but to the difficulty involved in deciding to share this level of personal information. coming back 24 hours later to re-read and revise my mistakes, i notice that i have felt a sense of enhanced connection to this space (dc), and the folks who are present here -- as well as to my own sense of reality in the undefined infinity of its total mystery. thank you, seth and others, for being here to help hold this space, as we bear witness to the playing out of current events in this particular context, and so many others....)

[Unjucky]

just to fill in some small gaps.. it is my understanding that ra expresses the fact that some do have a double ie. 3d/4d body, the latter not fully being activated yet.

ra also expresses that because of the 4d body activation, the earth will not be inhabited by 3d entities because the 4d entity has not yet understood the ways in which to cloak itself from 3d. i hope this makes sense. if it does i wonder where this leaves us with the "2012 aftermath"...

[kjanyeaz1]

[i]...
i would like to think that this way of reading current events -- vigilantly holding them in uncertainty as they continue to emerge and unfold -- may also be a positive way of participating in them, one that might maximize being open, and that this potent quality of being -- however cognitively uncertain it otherwise must be -- is itself a communicative, positive contribution in itself.

fiz

fiz,


this is an outstanding post and it reflects exactly the ambivalent feelings that i have about the fulford information. i very, very much want for all of this information to be true, but i've been burned too many times before (like a hardened heart against too many breakups with women)falling for things that did not pan out.


but, so far, this stuff appears to be panning out and i'm gradually getting more and more hopeful about it. my initial intuitive sense about it was that it was for real (similar to how i reacted to the dan burisch material), but, i needed a bit more confirmation as to the reality/illusion of it.


like many on this list, i'm following this information very, very closely.


i have this idea of doing a t-shirt or a poster. it's a red/green-colored yin/yang symbol that sprouts out a pair of chinese-looking arms that are swinging a samurai sword in one hand and a knife in the other--both aimed right-dead on the eye of a pyramid in a little pyramid. the yin/yang symbol is a large one in the bottom of the shirt/poster with the eye/pyramid a small one at the top of the poster. the caption: "chinese checkmate!"


what is interesting to me was that i was having an intense conversation with a friend several months ago talking about the struggles that we (people) have had with the illoonynaughties and i had related the history of what happened at runnymede, where the magna charta was signed with the swords of the people symbolically were drawn against king john, who reluctantly signed the document that gave birth to the beginning of the recognition of the inalienable rights of people. i had said to my friend that this is what would be needed to stop the illoonynaughties--to have the power to quickly kill them off if they did not stop their nasty depopulation/power agendas. but i could not come up with a real-life scenario in which this kind of thing could happen, but i made it clear that i felt that the only effective way to stop them was to have a credible way to assassinate most of them if they did not stop their evil ways. little did i know that this kind of thing was for real with the chinese secret society.


we owe that chinese secret society a deep debt of gratitude. .


~seth

[traithJah]

i recall a conversation i was involved in once that revolved around the issue of peaceful resolution of conflict. i was defending the position of violence not needing to ever be a means of resolution.

i was asked a series of hypothetical questions about what i would do if attacked, if a loved one was being attacked, etc.

in pondering how to respond to these questions, i felt a troubling cloud of low vibrationed energy come over me as i imagined these events occurring. it occurred to me that to just consider how i would react to such physical attacks was lowering my own vibration.

i noted that other than bullying in grade-school, i have never been in such a situation where i have had to defend against violence with violence. (come to think of it, i never defended myself physically in grade-school.)

as my questioner pressed for answers, i realized that it was, in some way, folly for me to even consider these questions, one of which was how i would choose if faced with a choice between which of various loved ones would die, if forced to make such a choice.

by the grace of whatever relation i have with my own higher guiding principles and entities, i am left peacefully alone in this life to transmit life and light into the world. such questions of intrigue have not had to be faced by me; and if such a regretful necessity arises, i'll cross that bridge when i come to it.

and so i declined to address the questions, feeling that to do so would only lessen my own conductivity of positive energy. there are those in this world who, for whatever reasons on whatever level, are faced with the need to choose how to act in the face of a lethal threat from others. if they find themselves on that particular stage, well, what can i say, it's unfortunate.

so, when i read about the chinese secret society's alleged plans to strike at the 'eye', i find i can neither support this plan 'b' as it is called, or condemn it. in fact, i can't even address the conundrum at all, for to do so fills me with an inner conflict, as it has many of you.

from a purely spiritual perspective, for those of us who have the mission of channeling the energy of light/love out into the world at large (and considering that many wanderers will read of benjamin fulford), merely the consideration of this conundrum, i believe, is antithetical to our mission, and perhaps is a ploy to lessen the pure, unadulterated quality of love from the heart of oneness, by making us think we should choose, here, regarding plan 'b', if it comes to that.

not to be ensnared by 'human' intrigue, i remain,

mark

[golfmenorca]

just to fill in some small gaps.. it is my understanding that ra expresses the fact that some do have a double ie. 3d/4d body, the latter not fully being activated yet.

ra also expresses that because of the 4d body activation, the earth will not be inhabited by 3d entities because the 4d entity has not yet understood the ways in which to cloak itself from 3d.

i've been fascinated too by concept of this dual body. they asked ra if these dual-body people would have to die at harvest time. ra said they would have to die according to the laws of third density. this got me wondering, because he didn't exactly say that the 4d body would die. could it be possible, in a dual-body person, for the 3d body to die and the rest of the mind/body/spirit complex move on to fully actualize in a 4d earth? what else would be a reason to have a dual body?

obviously the 4d earth will be populated, but how will the first 4d people appear? maybe this could be a possible scenario, where these dual-body people kind of 'shed' the 3d body and keep the 4d body.

seems like i remember ra saying that when earth went from 2d to 3d a strain of the chimp/monkey/baboon became hairless and developed into the human body over one or two generations.

sorry mods, i know this thread is running a little off the topic, but i just wanted to respond to this...

[michael247]

i found this today on rense.com 8/23/07 donald, i pray that this will come true.

http://benjaminfulford.com/secretgoverment.html

secret government promises big changes
by benjamin fulford

the secret government of the us and eu has promised a major overhaul in the wake of the warning it got from the chinese secret society, according to a senior japanese public security police officer and freemason who has been acting as an intermediary with the chinese secret society. �gexpect big changes this autumn,�h he said in comments confirmed by a member of the japanese royal family. �gwhat you will be seeing is the unwinding of george bush senior�fs 50-year campaign to turn the u.s. into a fascist regime,�h the secret police agent says. �ggeorge bush senior is now a broken man showing signs of senile dementia,�h he adds.

if the sources are to be believed, u.s. president george bush�fs government will resign, before his term expires, and will be replaced by an interim regime headed by al gore.

[SteantyjetMaw]

hello, i am newbie to these forums but have been reading them quite some time. so greetings to you all! i have been following the fulford event quite a bit and there are some amazing things happening within if this indeed is all true. just to make it short but quick, what fulford has been saying in his last story, about the changes to come seem to be happening. now, could be coincidence, but who believes in that . but in the past month 3 high ranking members have resigned and the newest of that the attorney general. just something you guys i am sure are completely aware of, but would be interesting to keep this post going the direction of what changes are happening that have been "promised" from fulford's article.

[Agedprepdoock]

an interum reign headed by al gore???
thats not even possible is it?

[ThekvandoVideo]

an interum reign headed by al gore???
thats not even possible is it?

absolutely! anything is possible!:d
i thought this was kinda strange at first, but when you think about it, it all makes sense in a weird way. if the bush regime is exposed as predicted, it may very well come to light that the last election was actually skewed in gws favor. so we may find out that al gore did indeed win the election, so why not let him do what he was 'elected' to do?

[Kimeoffessyr]

absolutely! anything is possible!:d
i thought this was kinda strange at first, but when you think about it, it all makes sense in a weird way. if the bush regime is exposed as predicted, it may very well come to light that the last election was actually skewed in gws favor. so we may find out that al gore did indeed win the election, so why not let him do what he was 'elected' to do?

wasn't he going against john kerry? not that it matters, but just saying. or are you talking about the first term election?

[jaydicassdhy]

absolutely! anything is possible!:d
i thought this was kinda strange at first, but when you think about it, it all makes sense in a weird way. if the bush regime is exposed as predicted, it may very well come to light that the last election was actually skewed in gws favor. so we may find out that al gore did indeed win the election, so why not let him do what he was 'elected' to do?

whoops! unless i'm a victim of a time-line blipburp the last presidential election was between bush and some other bones guy named kerry.

billybushwacked

[Singukil]

wasn't he going against john kerry? not that it matters, but just saying. or are you talking about the first term election?

well i guess this opens up a whole new 'can of worms' and sure if you could prove that kerry won..... i don't know if you could, but i think it could much more easily proven that gore won. who knows, a lot of people say both of the last two elections were a farce. i don't know, just trying to make sense of this mad, mad world.

[boXGWf04]

well i guess this opens up a whole new 'can of worms' and sure if you could prove that kerry won..... i don't know if you could, but i think it could much more easily proven that gore won.

it can be proven in any court beyond any reasonable doubt that both gore and kerry were winners in both of their respective elections, as both elections were provably stolen by the thief executive, the shrub. there are a lot of solid, factual and irrefutable proofs that both elections were stolen.


and the idea of gore leading a transitional, post-shrub team--that is entirely within the realm of possibility because the "government" as a whole that we understand it to be is already an extra-constitutional entity, meaning that it has been functioning wholly outside of the organic constitution for a very, very long time--ever since 1861. in other words we have not had an effective republic acting under the organic constitution as designed by our founding fathers ever since 1861. not kidding. as for gore leading...i think that ron paul is a far-better choice for heading this transitional team, as there was a recent poll... http://usaelectionpolls.com/ ... that shows ron paul taking a full 61% of the votes out a field of 19 candidates (both dems/repubs). wow.


this whole country has, somehow, continued to function as a whole nation, endowed with a unique self-identity without the effective use of an active organic constitution, as lawfully amended ever since 1861.


to further muddy the waters of "law", the organic constitution as we know it was fatally flawed in many ways and had no true authority that was really derived from the people, yet, somehow, america continued to function as a somewhat cohesive whole nation and continues to do so, though in a very much negatively-altered state as compared to what it was in the past.


after many years of extensive law/legal research, i had started to create a whole new way of how the people can govern themselves that starts with a three-step process of expatriating out of the current system of slave-based governance into a new way of governance that would be guided by a compact in a "new union" that would take the best of the organic constitution, embody the essential spirit of the declaration of independence, be built upon the golden rule and be interconnected by a common, interest/usury-free currency that would be handled by locally-based co-op banks owned/operated by the people themselves; the dimensions of the new currency would have reflected the golden mean and other sacred geometric principles. i think that it would have really worked, but the reality of the sheer dominance of the illoonynaughties and their abilities to infiltrate/destroy any oppositional groups shadowed over my whole project, plus the emergence of the reality of 2012 event horizon hit, so i thought..."what's the point of doing this new union compact if 2012 is just around the corner?". so i did not follow through with this and have pretty much abandoned my whole law/legal career that i had been building. oh well.


~seth