[Sarah Armstrong]

markm,

(part 3)

"as a unique viewpoint aspect of awakeness, in human form, i love polymers and all other manifestations of me, yet can't avoid verbalizing through my humanity if asked to verbalize. i can, however, lessen my investment into relative intellectual wrangling, fault finding and human angst by exercising the practise of finding the love in all situations. i find that this leads me into an inner awareness of the infinite valuation of my and all others' travails, oreos included! this is how i reach towards an awareness which may take me beyond my conditioning, and may also have me share with others something of my own unique and unduplicable vibratory signature... unduplicable, yet maybe able to be matched with other vibrations - human sourced or otherwise - in harmonic and delicious aggregated geometric symphonic patterns - depending on intent and desire to be close, or otherwise.i'm hoping this kind of response is more of what you're looking for, in keeping with the intent of the thread. mark "

-there is no reason to avoid verbalizing love in all its forms :d i think what lessening your investments in word wrangling and fault finding will always give you a much better long term investment in life because both are big causes of great disharmony. i think it is a very special unique aspect of the universe to be both aware and less conditioned towards the whole because each of us as you mentioned can share much more than being stimulated by unaware energy which has less potential of reaching out to others. i am extremely grateful that the universe has the capability to both honor and allow two different patterns of the universe to both share and come together in its commonality while still holding it's own uniqueness.-

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sheesh i almost erased everything i just wrote as one message not 3 parts haha good thing i remembered the undo button i have. there is a lot of cleaning up to do today haha, trust me if i didn't care and love everyone i would a, ignore them, b not explain myself, c get emotional and out of harmony, but for you guys (facets of oneness in the totality of the one infinite creator) i will hopefully provide useful insight and conversation to lead for better understanding and higher purpose with patience and dedication on my behalf.

[creewespock]

billybobbutterball,

(part 1)


"concerning the inescapable quandary encountered in any attempt to fashion a viable critique of pure reason in the face of limitations encountered by the given inclinations of the intricate processes of the human brain as fashioned by the one creator for our use here in third density. i hope the above helps makes my position on this subject crystal clear...in short, i think i agree with what that guy mark wrote before me....at least the parts that i could understand."

-i never did say i was attempting to fashion a viable critique of pure reason based in limitation and doesn't stem from a disposition (prevailing tendency, mood or attitude) which is where inclination seeds from and even though i am using the mind as a vessel doesn't mean i am limited to it just because i live on earth, the mind of course is one that most people choose to live by instead of utilize and is a characteristic of most people's makeup but it doesn't mean it is an absolute for everyone visiting an environment such as earth and can be overcome through the will which has been stated in the law of one if i recall correctly to be one of the most powerful modalities in the universe and can break standard rules, regulations or limitations.-

"it seems to me, dear spiral, that you are setting up everyone dumb enough to bite on this challenge of yours (and that indeed is what it is) for a humiliating failure in not meeting your stated criteria."

-it may seem that way but that is not so. i do not understand why you feel this a setup and why you assume i am trying to make people look dumb. if they feel it is humiliating that is their choice and in many instances of the start of my conversation warned people that i would seem this way but as i said do not contribute to such actions even if someone is easily led to believe this to be true even though there is no real evidence of me doing such a thing. this is a challenge just like everything else in life people can participate and be challenged or not participate and watch it challenge each of us. just because some things are not easy does not mean they are invalid. i think if we could pull this off it would have great potential for many here at divine cosmos and outside of divine cosmos and is the reason i put fourth an effort to present it. i am sure when thomas edison attempted to make his light bulb hundreds of time he had to have patience and character and probably gained a lot more afterwords. if not he would have never even come close to constructing it.-

[craditc]

billybobbutterball,

(part 2)

"i can't but help thinking of you as being something like a ruthless hunter-- concealed in a blind, overlooking a tempting bait designed to lure the unwary, would-be intelecti onto the killing zone, whereupon you can zap them real good when they flounder (founder?) "

-this is your thought and is an assumption. if i want to be a ruthless hunter to zap people's ego i could do it a much more strategic way without them or anyone else ever realizing it and i could also go way behind offending only their intellect. i never or would ever do such a thing unless i was attacked first physically, emotionally, intellectually, spiritually in a way that total encompassed me and tried to dash out everything about my being. i have only had this happen once when i was unfed, unwatered and without sleep for 4 days in a cold 6'x8' holding cell away from everyone else that had nothing an extremely bright light fixture without clothes or a blanket made of a rubber cement like structure and the windows being covered and constantly being heckled with guards attempting to intimidate me with no possibility to contact to the outside world. i was patient for the first couple days (but could not spare to have anymore longer i was almost literally dead and very drained while being surrounded by an onslaught of negative energy which i think was part of the universal reason being there to break it up a bit haha ).

i had no reason to treated like this because of a late speeding ticket which i didn't have the money for at the time. the second time this happened i felt like staying where i was at on open public area because i had a bad feeling intuitively which may well have been the cops coming themselves and somebody thought i was being unconventional for not moving or saying much while sitting on a bench so they called the cops because they assumed i could do something bad in the future because i was no acting "normal". the cops then asked me a bunch of questions and then asked me my name i asked what for and what i was being charged with, before i knew it i was arrested simply for the fact that i was sitting on a bench not moving or speaking. the reason the jail guards thought they could treat me this way is because i won't stand to be forced to do what others were trying to force me to do and has nothing to do with problems with authority, just when "authority" thinks they can force me to do something i don't find reasonable or healthy and am more than willing to suffer the consequences from such an action . (by the way i forgave the whole fiasco and never intent to allow such a thing to happen but have been the subject of others insecurity many times in my life)

this at first glance may seem grim but want you to know that i am patient and you have to be extremely offensive for such a thing to happen. this also has nothing to do with a story of victimization looking to get good attention. i have forgiven but of course remember quite clearly and is just a very conclusive example of why i don't set out to attack people aam not that way by nature because it is very devastating to those i engage to "get off my back" and almost impossible to get me to succumb to. if i can make a jail full of guards get to the point where they would rather let me go then pretend to be in control of my life and torture me on two occasions when they knew how i worked the first time and had a whole facility with the capability to do such a thing, i am sure i could more effectively hurt people than what i am doing here and will never ever do such a thing. -

thank you for the compliment bill i didn't want this to seem like you were offending me i don't feel that way at all and understand why you would think this to be true. as i have said understand why you guys assume these negative things to be true as mentioned by my 3 part post to mark and hope nobody thinks i am trying to be over the top drastic. i just honor honesty and don't by any means want to hurt other people or make them feel bad reading this.

i hope this is all cleared up and we can continue through and with love and light, spiral.

[tiereenny]

sammy,

"this is one of the more complicated subjects to understand when coming to anti-matter and matter. its best not to think of it as "empty" cause its still space its just space with no or - mass. as you stated its the natural consequence, which would be time. the distance or "space" is whats needed for time within the space, if there was no distance there would be no time. it would just be space/mass and not space/time."

-why is it not best to think of it empty? is there a measurable value in proceeding this way? if so tell me how or why. you say it is just space or with no mass or antimatter mass. if there is no mass how could it not be empty, if it is space or antimatter where do they come from and where does the thing it comes from come from so on and so fourth? if you are not sure what would be your hypothesis of what would be there and any evidence supporting it? i don't believe distance is needed for time. example: you can travel across space without measuring it by time or thinking about it (sleep being one example) because time is a view that some people have or while others do not. i have read many stories of people saying that entity not from here incarnal or not have no concept of time and is only a choice even if it is a heavily conditioned one that is useful for purposes of relativity.

mentioning that it is space in conjunction with mass rather than space in conjunction with time doesn't mean time cannot be dropped in what most people see as time space anyways. again time is a perception and choice

space is everything we have to ability to recognize or be included to empty, full or anti, either space inside ourselves we know as thoughts or outer space that we see as an object if we choose to look at it as such. but we can still just be and not necessarily even choose to think of it is space. space doesn't exist solely based on our recognition of it although we can change to structure or influence of space itself based on our attention and expectation -

[Aniplinipsync]

sammy,

sorry i missed this post and posted about the emptiness first.

"its too complex because, to connect everything you would have to hold all of existance in your mind at one time in one thought."

-i never said anyone had to hold anything in their mind and holding all existence in the mind at the same time is certainly impossible. there is no need to attempt such a thing and is not my intention.-

"im saying one thing can be attained that could be used to connect to all of existance, but you have to go through all the ropes. if i say "0" to me means exactly "all of existance" i.e. energy/mass, neither created nor destroyed. but for you to believe that, is a huge gap in understanding. even if i dont know it exists its possibility is open to me.
"

-what do you mean by you have to go through all the ropes? one of the intentions of this thread is to allow people to understand such a thing if it is found even if it takes them time. if they don't want to understand it or cannot understand it i don't think there is a problem with that. i also have no value for belief personally, i don't mind if people believe things i see possibilities. holding a belief takes up to much room for me so i have no value having them because it serves no purpose to me. -


"the interaction is best explained through the laws of thermodynaics. its been established that mass can act like a wave or "energy". you might be suprised how similair they are, after all we use both every second of the day as a unit. or better yet, would we have energy if no mass existed?
"

-i have no problem with explaining interaction of matter i think energy (regardless if it is in form or not and regardless if it is moving or not) has to always be in existence and would think if there was no energy such a thing as the big bang if true could have never happened. you cannot get something from absolute void, but that doesn't mean energy can seem, feel or be empty. void and energy are two different things because void is complete non existence even void of energy or potential itself. so it would be an impossibility for something to exist without any potential whatsoever and is quite hard to conceive of and have thought about such a thing many many times because for me it would be the most probably impossibility i can think of. in this case mass would be non existent if there was not energy feeding it because energy would have to keep mass in form otherwise all form would instantly dissipate and if there was mass without some form or structure there wouldn't be much of a reason to talk about mass haha :d.-

[Buyingtime]

dear spiral

i see your reply is marked, part #1. is there more coming? if so, i better hire some help!

now look, mr. spiral vortex guy, i will now irrefutably prove one of my major points! please consider this documented course of events: indisputable fact #1: i was indeed dumb enough to respond in a nonsensical, tangential manner...#2: in turn you were naive enough to take my ridiculous comments seriously enough to respond to my original dumbness and on top of that with an over-reactive high-brow manner. now blunt your occam's razor on that!

( now for heaven's sake don't bite on that bit of joshing nonsense!...its impure b.s.! :d)

nah, i don't think you set this thing up to wrack havoc on simpler soul's self images. its just that you have recreated an intellectual gordian's knot puzzle of such complexity that no simple sword's swipe can resolve it.

spiral, it is obvious to me you are an highly intelligent individual -- most likely several double digits over my modest iq. and i salute you! please continue on your path of resolving the unresolvable (just guessing)

best! bill g aka bbb

p.s. i see that i am listed as a moderator. that is an undeserved accolade. it should be jr. moderator helper-outer. the for reals, genuine, certified mods are mark, chris and kris. so please take my contributions under advisement.

[Ubgvuncd]

billybobbutterball! did you know that you have one of the few personalities that can actually make me laugh when reading text, i am being 100% serious so thank you and am glad you lightened a bit of seriousness so thank you. at this point and hope someone will offer me a cup of coffee or line of cocaine (joking about the cocaine)

"p.s. i see that i am listed as a moderator. that is an undeserved accolade. it should be jr. moderator helper-outer. the for reals, genuine, certified mods are mark, chris and kris. so please take my contributions under advisement. "

ah i think with your comical outlook you should be a definite moderator but not enough to make you sour. mark is quite witty himself and was surprised to see the wording he used and ability he had to communicate his experience. kris i don't know so much about and chris h haha well we will just say she ends up putting up with me more than she should and i have to give her kudos for doing so when i am being such a turkey.

seriously now i need to get some sustenance. it has been a while since i have had to be so serious and engaged in discussion while trying to make it all fit and explain things as we go while bullets are being fired left and right. but hey how can i stay quick on my feet if i don't engage in such a wonderful process even if it is a bit trying haha :d

[russmodel]

*note to moderators.

if the posts are being updated in order that i have posted them i also had billy part 2 and 3 along with another post explaining matter, no matter and anti matter to sammy, i did get confirmation it has been sent to the moderators but not sure if they are there because i posted the second sammy reply after those other three.


note from mod bbb....good mods are at work...i screwed up, missed sammy...he is now "activated"...too many buttons to push..

[tramadoldiscountes]

my brain does actually feel a bit weird. i thought, and i thought and i thought till i got to the point when i thought is it any harder to separate all concepts, densities, timelines, practices and energy than it is to unify them. can we separate them? can we separate anything? at this point i laughed and i laughed and i laughed, possibly at my own dumbness...i dont know, lol,lol,lol. but i do know i love being me which helps my brain feel a little better. to me love is an emotion or a doorway out of my mistaken separation and back into unity or beingness. i did try to explain this idea to a jehova witness once (lol) who told me this view was quite autistic. the wonder of it all...

[BigBobdd]

thanks for the in depth response


why is it not best to think of it empty? is there a measurable value in proceeding this way? if so tell me how or why. you say it is just space or with no mass or antimatter mass. if there is no mass how could it not be empty, if it is space or antimatter where do they come from and where does the thing it comes from come from so on and so fourth? i tried to explain this as best i could but its not easy to grasp even though i understand it. the reason its not empty is because its only the space where mass isnt. since mass has condensed creating space, its still equal to mass because our condensed mass exists.

basicly if gravity didnt exist the mass would encompass the space, making space/mass and not space/time "distance". if it was empty mass could have no boundry for existance within that field, but mass can traverse all space as well as energy. an example is a lightbulb, if the energy couldnt be condensed through the filament no light would occur. in the scenerio of space/mass even the thought of electricity would be rediculous, because there would be a seperation in the mass and energy within the space. the seperation would be a distance and thus creating space/time, when before it had been all-united.

-what do you mean by you have to go through all the ropes? one of the intentions of this thread is to allow people to understand such a thing if it is found even if it takes them time. if they don't want to understand it or cannot understand it i don't think there is a problem with that. i also have no value for belief personally, i don't mind if people believe things i see possibilities. holding a belief takes up to much room for me so i have no value having them because it serves no purpose to me. - i agree a noble cause which is why i offered my suggestion of precaution "which is what my orginal post intended". im not saying you dont understand or you cant understand, infact i think you understand things very well. this isnt a belief but based off scientific proof and physics theory.

for me to understand those 3 symbols the way i do today was a 20 year growing process. where as i have reduced the connections alot, i still wouldnt have been able to reply to this thread with a simple "o" as my post. i had to fill those gaps, or rather "put you through the ropes". not so you could think what i want you to, but to show you what im talking about when it comes to simplifying a multitude and then getting that to connect to others.

[R1king]

-i have no problem with explaining interaction of matter i think energy (regardless if it is in form or not and regardless if it is moving or not) has to always be in existence and would think if there was no energy such a thing as the big bang if true could have never happened. in a way i have to agree because it cannot be created nor destroyed. however it can transfer. energy wouldnt be able to just "not exist", but if space/mass existed as our reality mass would be energy. rather they would be one in the same, like manergy or something. it couldnt be called energy but it couldnt be called not energy either. those two elements alone would envelop all of space in one unity, eliminating time (distance).

or another way to see no time is: there is no distance. so even if you moved, it would be the same thing. as would the next move, and so on for eternity only to result in the same space with nothing having moved. ofcourse in this you would not exist as a conscious observer being able to move, because you would be of that unity and no seperation would exist. you would be as much on one end as you are the other, but you wouldnt be you in either.

anti-matter exists because mass has density. this is the simplist i can explain this.

[BreeveKambmak]

gemlove,
your words touched my soul on a very deep and profound level! thank you! there is truly no separation, thus everything is unified already! maybe only with acceptance of this we will be able to see unity in all!

love,
liz

my brain does actually feel a bit weird. i thought, and i thought and i thought till i got to the point when i thought is it any harder to separate all concepts, densities, timelines, practices and energy than it is to unify them. can we separate them? can we separate anything? at this point i laughed and i laughed and i laughed, possibly at my own dumbness...i dont know, lol,lol,lol. but i do know i love being me which helps my brain feel a little better. to me love is an emotion or a doorway out of my mistaken separation and back into unity or beingness. i did try to explain this idea to a jehova witness once (lol) who told me this view was quite autistic. the wonder of it all...

[drycleden]

nassim haramein on the apparent separation:
*it is the space that defines matter, not the matter defining the space.
(pay attention to the 99.99999% space in an atom)
*all matter emerges from the vacuum (void/vacuum/space) and returns to the vacuum (void/vacuum/space).
*when we realise this we will lose the sense of separation, and start to feel the sense of unity and connection to all things; the ultimate
experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtummc6bmy0


*physicist, nassim haramein - explains the unified theory in terms of sacred geometry/fractal & black whole (vacuum/energy & information exchange).
*he suggested that maybe the space is a fluctuation of energy, which is the source of our reality.
*this means at every scale (fractal expression of the star of david) every atom, every cell, every organism (including humans) etc
has infinite potential. the vacuum is infinitely full.
*at every scale, atomic, cellular, biological to universal is connected by black whole (vortex/vacuum).
*the vaccum is not empty, in fact it is very dense.
*using the planck distance (assumption smallest wave length; phi ratio 1.616 x 10 to the power of -33 cm (boundary condition) he was able
to do the following calculations:
#density of vacuum (mass-energy) in 1 cm cube of space in the universe:
= 10 to power of the 55 gm/cm3 density (renormalized calculation to cut the infinitely large number)
#developed scaling law for all organized matter (frequency vs radius) using the data available from universal size to atomic size.
=> the graph lined up
=> vacuum is dividing in specific relationships ie phi ratio or fibonacci sequence (found everywhere in nature)
=> human divides the extremely large to the extremely small; we are the event horizon
=> our universe (our reality) obeys the conditions of a black whole
#density of vacuum (mass-energy) in a nuclei of an atom - proton:
= 10 to power of the 55 gm/cm3 density (renormalized calculation to cut the infinitely large number)

therefore the vacuum (black whole) connects all things.

our reality is an expression of the division of the space or vacuum.



watch nassim haramein - black whole dvd to understand his theories (summary).
[please pm for link to commercial site]

or you can youtube using the bold & underlined words.


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:d
so the vacuum is the source of infinite intelligence & infinite energy.
the vacuum organises using the phi ratio (fractal), and the human expression is one of the infinite expressions of the source.
since the vacuum (or black whole) connects all things, all expressions has infinite potential.
all is god
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[Pdarasenko]

i like where everything is going and glad to see everyone willing to explain further. most of the time talking with others if they tell me things aren't willing to respond to any questions i have. it's not that i am a person when you talk to that i sit there and point out all the inconsistencies, i like to just be gq chillllllll and love the diversity in which you can use language to get the best out of people. this all being said i know that you guys can kind of see what i was doing when refining all this stuff and know that information is a beast

i am not the go to person of this thread nor did i want to be but thought it would be both fun and constructive to start and just found myself typing away so feel free to keep going on the path you are and i might come in from time to time to see where this leads..... down the spiral of cycles of course.

[qd0vhq4f]

gemlove,
your words touched my soul on a very deep and profound level! thank you! there is truly no separation, thus everything is unified already! maybe only with acceptance of this we will be able to see unity in all!

love,
liz

i agree everything is connected. there is no seperation within the meaning "exist". we are seperate though, just on a united field. our skin is proof of this line from you to me, but compared to the field its the same. from the fields point of view it is all of existance, it see's no seperations because it is a whole. if you seperated from the field niether the field nor you would exist, because the field would not be a whole. i can be seperate from you though, because we can exist seperately in life but still within the safety of the field.

this kind of goes into why i have been using "o" as an example. i dont know everything that consists whithin that whole, but i do know it exists as a whole (whatever that is). the idea can exist within our minds, but holding that whole of existance in mind at one time and in truth as well as real time is far beyond our capacity. even if it was attainable for one moment, we would not be able to maintain the thought indeffinately.

its because all of this i see space as a massive mind were living in. much like how we see thoughts, we exist as physical thought for the mind. conscious life would be like the protiens for memory retention in the brain. shaping and shifting the mass to fulfill the over-all will of the mind. since there is no difference to the field with time/mass/energy etc... any life within that field would be active as a unity to the field, no matter the distance.

[toksenveste]

i no longer want to participate in the discussion on this thread... i am sorry spiral, something doesn't want me to tell you my point of view... once again i wrote a huge verbal answer for you, and it was all lost!


this is so not fair, because in both cases the automatic saving didn't work either!!!

i'm sorry! the universe seems to have a very solid point of view upon this...

[citalopram]

i no longer want to participate in the discussion on this thread... i am sorry spiral, something doesn't want me to tell you my point of view... once again i wrote a huge verbal answer for you, and it was all lost!

this is so not fair, because in both cases the automatic saving didn't work either!!!

i'm sorry! the universe seems to have a very solid point of view upon this...

omg!!! bad universe bad!! *waves finger*

[Maphpseurse]

i no longer want to participate in the discussion on this thread... i am sorry spiral, something doesn't want me to tell you my point of view... once again i wrote a huge verbal answer for you, and it was all lost!


this is so not fair, because in both cases the automatic saving didn't work either!!!

i'm sorry! the universe seems to have a very solid point of view upon this...

yea that suxxxxx. i know how it is trust me i have had the same thing before happen. one time it was for school, it was a full science fiction / fantasy story that was like 15 computer pages long. well i am sure it will all work out so far so good!

[FallJimerks]

hi guys, first post.

for a scientific theory to unify all timelines, densities, concepts, etc., it must meet certain requirements. first though we must make certain a priori assumptions. for this i am assuming that the law of one material is accurate. so what do we know of what the law of one says about the basic nature of the infinite creation. we know that there are multiple major octaves like our universe. so this means all creation is harmonic in nature. we know that each universe creates its own physics. this part of the loo is confusing because ra would use the word universe to refer to a galactic star system. so we don't know whether this passage refers to galactic star systems or the infinite major universes beyond our major octave. we also know that consciousness is a major part of the creation.

so any scientific model that would truly explain everything would have to be able to explain not just our physics but also be able to explain an infinite other possible physics that may exist. it would also have to explain the differences in the each of the 8 major densities or octaves within each universe. for example in ours it would have to explain the 1st density of the 4 elements of alchemy and the creation of physical matter which is the nature of second density. it would also have to explain how consciousness is able to effect the source field and indeed what the source field is. imo the source field may also be different in its properties in other universes as the nature of space and time would also be able to be different in multiple universes.

the ultimate composition of these laws may not ever be able to be known by us but i think we can make certain assumptions about them. the first assumption is that there is most likely a set or group of principles. each of these would likely be relatively simple. then from the combination and permutation of these principles it must be possible to derive all of the physical laws that govern the universe in all densities. then these same principles would have to be able to have an infinite number of possible basic ways to emanate the unique physics of each universe. the major underlying commonality of all of these different physics systems would be that they are all harmonic and have 8 octaves.

it may be tempting to say that the platonic solids are part of this basic harmonic theory but i would disagree. the platonic solids are a product of our universe's space time dimensional nature. specifically the nature of our space/time is 3 space dimensions and one time dimension which is then inverted in time/space. it is possible that other universes have 4 or more space dimensions etc. this would result in the harmonic nature of our platonic solids being represented by these new geometries.

[DJkillos]

hi guys, first post.

for a scientific theory to unify all timelines, densities, concepts, etc., it must meet certain requirements. first though we must make certain a priori assumptions. for this i am assuming that the law of one material is accurate. so what do we know of what the law of one says about the basic nature of the infinite creation. we know that there are multiple major octaves like our universe. so this means all creation is harmonic in nature. we know that each universe creates its own physics. this part of the loo is confusing because ra would use the word universe to refer to a galactic star system. so we don't know whether this passage refers to galactic star systems or the infinite major universes beyond our major octave. we also know that consciousness is a major part of the creation.

so any scientific model that would truly explain everything would have to be able to explain not just our physics but also be able to explain an infinite other possible physics that may exist. it would also have to explain the differences in the each of the 8 major densities or octaves within each universe. for example in ours it would have to explain the 1st density of the 4 elements of alchemy and the creation of physical matter which is the nature of second density. it would also have to explain how consciousness is able to effect the source field and indeed what the source field is. imo the source field may also be different in its properties in other universes as the nature of space and time would also be able to be different in multiple universes.

the ultimate composition of these laws may not ever be able to be known by us but i think we can make certain assumptions about them. the first assumption is that there is most likely a set or group of principles. each of these would likely be relatively simple. then from the combination and permutation of these principles it must be possible to derive all of the physical laws that govern the universe in all densities. then these same principles would have to be able to have an infinite number of possible basic ways to emanate the unique physics of each universe. the major underlying commonality of all of these different physics systems would be that they are all harmonic and have 8 octaves.

it may be tempting to say that the platonic solids are part of this basic harmonic theory but i would disagree. the platonic solids are a product of our universe's space time dimensional nature. specifically the nature of our space/time is 3 space dimensions and one time dimension which is then inverted in time/space. it is possible that other universes have 4 or more space dimensions etc. this would result in the harmonic nature of our platonic solids being represented by these new geometries.

much gratitude for your contribution. it actualy stirred a few ideas for me. there would be the same levels of density within each polarity. i'll keep it short since its (again) off-topic.

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