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04-08-2007, 12:40 AM
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 Who is Q'uo?
dear robert & soup & others,
q'uo is a "mesh" of three entities which include ra, hathor and another "entity" who i don't re-member the name of, but begins with "l" if memory serves me correctly. i believe the 3rd entity is luton, but i may be mistaken. carla anwered my question concerning who q'uo was some time ago and you can find out who q'uo is by accessing the archives. if carla is a member of this group maybe she can help us with who the 3rd entity is. if not go to the archives. it'll take some time, but it's there... be well, be love. david |
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04-08-2007, 02:05 AM
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dear robert & soup & others, here is some elaboration on the subject: snip we are those of q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. the question that you ask is deceptively simple and the answer must be carefully considered, for there are elements of our creation and way of being that are easily shared and other portions that must remain to some extent hidden in mystery. the confederation of planets in the service of the infinite creator is the loose designation that our group was given in order to render us a named group and is a created name. the naming that is so dear to your peoples is not used beyond your third density because words, as opposed to concepts, are quite rough and even primitive in their structure, being delimited by the association of words and letters and so forth with parts of your consciousness which are heavily tied into the third-density brain or biocomputer. thusly, our confederation sourcing, while quite real, has, let us say, a number of aspects to it. each of you, as you sit in this circle of seeking today, represents not only you, yourself, an unique and precious flower in the field of the creator. you carry with you a family of unseen presences. within this circle, for instance, there are overlapping groups. more than one entity within this group is not only an individual but also a family member of the community which is represented in fifth density and in sixth density families from which you came to serve upon planet earth as wanderers offering, at great risk to yourselves, your very self in the hope that by your very being living in flesh and bone, strangers in a strange land indeed, you would be able to offer that energy of unconditional love that would help to anchor the fourth-density energies that now are being seated within the planet that is being born as we speak, that gaia that is a fourth-density, positively-oriented planet. each of you, then, represents not only the self but an extended family, as it were, of beings that have allied themselves in various partnerships for this period of time and space. there is a time upon your planet that is ongoing wherein all of your energies have been called to bear witness to the light and the love of the one infinite creator. we, ourselves, as those of the principle of q’uo, are part of two of those groups: that of the fifth-density social memory complex known to you as the group latwii—we are speaking through this instrument at this time—and those of the social memory complex known as the group ra, which are part of this principle and with whom we of latwii and also those of hatton discussed matters before taking up the time of channeling through this instrument. in addition to those of q’uo, there are many social memory complexes or planetary or societal groups of entities who have, as a group, chosen both to offer wanderers to the brothers and sisters of sorrow manifesting upon your planet at this time, and to offer ourselves as requested by groups such as this and by channels such as this one, or, alternatively, to offer ourselves to those who call upon us, whose vibrations are resonant with ours, for work within dreaming, work within vision, and work within what you would call times of inspiration. the energies of this loose-knit but entirely harmonious confederation have been called into being by the times that you now are experiencing upon your sphere. this entity has often prayed for that which she calls her “fragile island home”[1] of earth. we also are in a state of constant prayer in support of this fragile island home as it revolves into an entirely new area of space and time, one that has alternative characteristics to third-density space/time. snip be well, be lightlove...or is that lovelight ? (:>)) billiousbob g |
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05-07-2007, 08:25 AM
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hey guys-thanks!
this clears up a little more of the muddiness that is the higher dimensional realms of existence. i've personally always resonated with the hathor material, as well as the ra material- and now we know, as some have long suspected, that the confederation has thrown a clown into the mix- humor can be used as a most effective teaching method, for some. so, q'uo- what came first? the chicken, or the egg? bob |
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05-07-2007, 03:39 PM
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hey guys-thanks! charran 
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05-08-2007, 12:02 AM
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dear robert & soup & others, we need to back up and elaborate on my previous posting. latwii is the "l" personage but the hathor mentioned by david and bob is not a part of the q'uo principle. hathor was/is a social memory complex that worked in cooperation with the ra during the egyptian period. ( this is mentioned on llresearch along with the channeled "book of hathor") the "h mystery person is actually hatton. here is everything you ever wanted to know about the q'uo principle. (:>)) (i did some unauthorized paragraphing for an easier read.) snip t1: we know that q’uo is composed of three entities in the confederation and i would like to know if there is a major speaker, speaking. we are those of q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. we are composed, as you said, of three groups, one of fourth density, one of fifth density, and one of sixth density, in this instrument’s and our way of describing our relative position and experience. this particular principle was created because this particular instrument has a certain way of tuning and preparing for contact with the confederation entities. she prays for contact with the highest and best contact that she may handle in a stable and conscious manner. it is a very precise request. the entity whom she tended to receive upon making this prayer, prior to her contact with those of the ra group, was the latwii group and she had received those of latwii fairly consistently for several years before experiencing the trance contact with those of the ra group. as each within this circle is aware, the contact with those of ra was a very narrow-band contact which was only possible during that window of opportunity when the ones known as don, jim and carla were all in the circle and when the one known as don passed from this third-density experience, the possibility of further contact with this particular entity was ended. however, this instrument continued to tune and pray in the same manner and those of latwii and others within the confederation, including those of hatton and those of ra, felt that perhaps the creation of a principle would best respond to this instrument’s very real desire for the highest and best contact of which she was capable. since those of ra could not speak with this instrument in a conscious and stable manner, there was no possibility for that social memory complex being the speaker. however, both those of hatton and those of latwii had previously enjoyed sharing the thoughts of those of ra in a teach/learning circle and the three groups decided that they would blend into one principle, with the ones known as hatton being responsible simply for projecting a vibration of love, of which i feel sure that each of you is aware as we speak. the ones known as latwii took the responsibility for speaking to this instrument and the ones known as ra were part of the process of defining just how to respond to the question that was presented to the principle of q’uo. so, as those of q’uo speak, it is those of latwii who are creating the concepts which this instrument receives and translates into words. snip trivia. the term q'uo, is rather evocative. way, way back during the height of the hollywood biblical movie period one of the most memorable was "q'uo vadis" the rough translation being, "where goest thou?" (i know these things --i was a motion picture machine operator) billybob (aka bill gieskieng) ps here is a bonus bit on earth changes that tagged along with my sloppy copy/paste snip as you walk about in third density, the fourth density energy is stronger every day upon your planet. the earth itself is vibrating largely in fourth density now. that is why so many entities are sensing the need to become closer in contact to the earth itself, touching the ground, working with the earth, working with plants and animals and those things that abide in the creation of the father and have nothing to do with the world of the mind of man. health is abundant in the earth itself. its labor is ongoing but the birth is going well. perhaps you have noticed many significant catastrophes occurring upon the earth plane. this is the labor of earth. it is attempting to move into fourth density without having to express, all at once, the incompatibility between third-density thought (and?) ....snip finis |
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05-08-2007, 12:22 AM
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let us get down to basics. if we choose to believe all is one then there is no debate. several entities retain various perspectives, yet all are one. you see. it's kanda like this: you gotta a big boy that broke apart to express himself; and lets them (him) go out and find there way back in (to him). the kid comes back (us) as a reflection of him, just like a breath; then let's them go out again. it is play time in the universe. love. it is a law of one basic. if you don't get it. then we grow up. as you have played this game so many times. we have to become god of which we are a part of. we are in basic training, get used to it. remember the breath: out / in . that is god in my humble opinion.
nelson ps: no debate needed |
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07-07-2007, 08:49 AM
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in a "bring4th" forum i once proposed that q'uo was a phonetic play or contraction of "khu-o": "khu" an egyptian word related to a higher, spiritual, shining and luminous being - as heavenly beings, living within the neteru and equivalent to a guardian angel. the "o" symbolizing a circle of unity.
related to that sharing was a poem found in a book by emory j. michael "the alchemy of sacred living" (1999 mountain rose, isbn 0-9642147-2-5): prayer to a guardian angel be thou a shining star above me. be thou a shepherd to protect me. be thou a guiding light to lead me. be thou a rose of love within me. be thou a beauty shining through me. be above, below, beside, before, behind me. be all around me. -traditional celtic |
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07-24-2007, 10:43 PM
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----- original message -----
from: ll research to: 'bill' sent: tuesday, july 24, 2007 11:33 am subject: q'uo history hi bill, below are the answers you are seeking. the webmaster for llresearch.org is a walking encyclopedia for l/l’s channeling. he arguably knows it better than anyone. additionally, he felt that there was a dimension to the name “q’uo” that ties into a scottish word or pun, but he couldn’t find that reference. hope this helps! love and light, glb i can’t find the scottish reference at the moment, if indeed i’m not misremembering that. this quote is from the january 7, 1990 transcript: jim: who are you as q’uo as you speak to us? i am q’uo. i am two social memory complexes, the one you know of as ra, and the one you know of as latwii. we have combined because this instrument constantly asks for the highest and best contact it may stably carry. the energies of the one known as ra, which is a social memory complex of sixth density, is an energy band narrow enough that it requires the locking in, and therefore the unconscious state, of the mind of the channel. the entities of ra were appalled to see the toll it took upon this instrument to bring forth that which it did channel. it was not expected that there would be so much interest from what this instrument calls the loyal opposition. when our energies are stepped down to those of latwii, an energy this instrument feels most comfortable with, we are able to offer concepts that are to some degree more precise, and may we say, perhaps more interesting to the advanced student of metaphysics, than that which is called latwii would be by the self, for latwii is of the fifth density, the density of wisdom, and as you can feel, our vibrations are the vibrations not only of unconditional wisdom, but compassion as well. thus, we are composite, and as this instrument has often suspected, our name is a pun, a quibble; not a joke, but merely an identification which was clear. we are the i am, and you too are the i am, and all that is in creation is the i am. we chose a language this instrument knew, and used the word meaning “who,” or “which.” it was designed to make the instrument ponder this very point, and we are delighted (in the) results so far, for we of latwii have been able, with the help of our teachers, those of ra, to offer information in a way which is clearer and more compassionate, perhaps, than we of latwii, in and of our own social memory complex, could accomplish. we find that our senses of humor are not at all the same, and so we have attempted to give up our sense of humor, that the higher sense of humor or wisdom informed by compassion may do its subtle work in these meditations. this is the use of “quo” in a scottish poem, probably as a short form of “quoth.” however, i seem to remember that there was more direct information about the word being in the scottish language: the wee cooper o' fife there was a wee cooper lived in fife nickety nackety noo, noo. noo and he has tae'n a gentle wife hey willy wallacky, hoo john dougal, alane, quo' ru****y, roo, roo, roo. ( amer. hert. dict. "quoth" v. archaic uttered; said. used only in the first and third persons, with the subject following: quoth the raven 'nevermore!' (poe) ... note from billbob ... who wanted to check it out ) this is the explanation carla sent me today regarding the spelling of latwii and hatonn: carla: there is no deeper reason for the spelling of either latwii or hatonn than my sense of how the name “sounded” or felt. latwii sounds like latwee. but the double-e looks a bit goofy compared to latwii, which is equally easy to sound rightly. latui is not bad phonetically. same with latwi. somehow, the extra ‘i’ in popped a long time ago and felt right. as to hatonn, i originally spelled it hatton, as that is a place and family name we see in these parts. however it looks like it is pronounced haton, and the confederation entity’s name is sounded haton. to guide people to sound it that way i switched decades ago to hatonn. ## billybob comments. thanks guys! much appreciated. great insightful stuff. hey! i love q'uo -- even if it is an activated principle. and i think -- if my memory serves -- that latwii does have a decent sense of humor. ( the sixth density ra is the one who's sense of humor is arguably a bit 'strained' from going through its venusian filter ) okay, so my humor does leave a lot to be desired.for those new to this particular discussion, the fourth density hatonn was later disclosed as being a supporting agent in forming the q'uo-supporting trilogy. |
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07-25-2007, 03:27 PM
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dear robert & soup & others, penny l |
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12-18-2008, 05:35 PM
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time
http://www.llresearch.org/transcript...1973_0800.aspx time, my friends, is in your mind. there is only now, and there is only here. the reason that there appears to be a reciprocal nature between space and time in your world is because your world is, shall we say, designed to produce this illusion. it is an illusion necessary for certain catalytic actions that you enjoy in your present state for the purpose of your continued spiritual growth and evolution. i will leave you now. i am hatonn. i leave you, my friends, in the love and the light of the one who is all. adonai. adonai vasu borragus. i am oxal. i am with this instrument. i have been called for the purpose of speaking to you on the nature and reality of time. time is a field, like unto your electric field, your magnetic field. but what is a field, my friends? a field is an effect. a field is in your minds. a field has different effects at different distances. so does time. as you have recently stated, time and space are dependent, one upon another. it has also been stated that they are totally independent, and have no relationship. both of these statements are true. it simply depends on your point of view. the people of your planet at present do not appreciate the number of dimensions that are available for one to experience the creation. all of these dimensions are made up of a single place and a single time, and, for that matter, a single dimension, which has no dimension. but it is necessary to go from where you are to where you will be. therefore, we shall speak of time as you know it and try to lead you to that place where you will know it. time is a field. it is space-dependent. space is a field and is time-dependent. for this reason you recognize a reciprocal nature. the relationship between the two is the third power [of] displacement in either. this may be recognized by a simple equation or formula. there are three dimensions: therefore, the numeral “3” is used, both as a power and as a constant. t3 divided by 3 is equal to s3. s3 divided by 3 is equal to t. your present constant, that which you call the velocity of light, is the basic speed of the field. the permeability of that which you know as matter is dependent upon this constant. in other words, my friends, the densities of which your world is composed, and the densities of the other planes of existence as you know them, are time-dependent. their permeability is a function of apparent speed. space may be thought of as linear, if time is thought of as volumetric. or you may reverse the process, as you do within your limitation, and consider space volumetric and time linear. either is true. and either may be perceived to be true, depending upon the limitations of your thought. it is possible to move linearly in space and volumetrically in time, all with the same movement. you can be aware of what you call the past, the present, and the future, simultaneously. i am oxal. i will leave you at this time. adonai vasu borragus. it has been a great privilege. peace be with you. my notes[[ i write this to try to fundamentally understand what oxal speaks of. (elementary math: in arithmetic and algebra, the cube of a number n is its third power — the result of multiplying it by itself three times. nł = n × n × n.) from the text we gather: t3 / 3 = s3 time in 3 dimensions has the relation = space in 3 dimensions s3 / 3 = t space in 3 dimensions has the relation = time in 1 dimension this does not make sense. it might either be a typo (from l/l research) or not, as: "the relationship between the two is the third power [of] displacement in either." may it be?: t3 / 3 = s time in 3 dimensions has the relation = space in 1 dimension. this is another reality, time/space s3 / 3 = t space in 3 dimensions has the relation = time in 1 dimension. this is our 'physical' reality, space/time please correct me if i'm wrong at the time/space | space/time definitions. my subjective conclusions of time-dimensions: time is here projected upon 1-dimensional space, since that is the only way i can understand time, and the way time/space must be defined. space/time is defined by time, we can move around in our 'physical' reality but all changes takes linear time. time/space is defined by space, we can move around in 'time' but it's made up by the frozen moments of the 'physical'. i say 'physical' because there are no real physical objects, only signals translated by our minds. while moving inside time-dimensions you may not influence the physical world [space] only perceive, it seems. t1 = time is x. 'time' is= linear, as in our currently perceived world. an arbitrary x can be picked from [all time divided by infinity]: every physical moment frozen. you exist subjectively in x and may only move forward or backward or standing still in the linear 'time'. in our current reality we seem to move forward. thus you cannot really perceive true time as it really exists [only from memory]. this you can do in: t2 = relative viewpoint is y and 'time' is x. time is actively perceived as linear from an arbitrary viewpoint. your perception of time is altered depending on y:s relation to x. you may perceive an infinite amount of x from an infinite amount of y. you may now exist in y while observing x, but you may only exist in 1 y at the same time (alike to t1 being limited to 1 x at the same time). thus you can perceive all 'time' subjectively. t3 = relative viewpoints are y, z and 'time' is x. time is actively perceived as linear from two arbitrary points, id est may be perceived as backward and forward simultaneously = you exist in all time simultaneously. you may perceive an infinite amount of y relating to an infinite amount of x. you may now exist in z observing y observing x. thus you can perceive all 'time' objectively since you can see all subjective variations of y. i do not know what z is, or what happens when you alter the viewpoint of z. this would require a 4th dimension. i cannot understand a 4th dimension. as from the t1 definition: 1-dimensional space is the essence of 1 point of all physical moments frozen. they are infinite in every moment that space exists. as from the t2 definition: "y" here becomes something able to understand these "essence of physical moments frozen". you can see it from different viewpoints, you see can see how all time affects 1 reference point. as from the t3 definition: "z" here is something to understand that there exists more than 1 reference point simultaneously, you see all the "essence of physical moments frozen" from all ways. here you understand true time. ]] i thought pretty long on all this, resulting in the above. as said, this is my subjective understanding of time in different dimensions. i have never travelled to time/space in my current awareness, apparently you travel there when you sleep (thus being able to see in the the past/present/future). so we practically exist in 6 dimensions. what are your thoughts, what is time exactly? is it a mere illusion as hatonn and oxal claims, something only made to enhance our learning/teaching teaching/learning experience in this density? and... do i make any sense? lol love to all of you |
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12-19-2008, 12:45 AM
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ayadew,
very well put, you make perfect sense to me. i think you are overall right in everything you said but i could add to it a little if i may. first to simplify things i would like to state that math is an illusion because the process is based in separation. it is a process that attempts to use finite concepts to explain this illusory reality of separate ideas. these concepts or mental ideas are in the form of symbols that we know of as numbers which attempt to solve problems using concepts of quantities, one in relation to another or combining them. in other words we are trying to use an illusion of separation to describe the separation. i doubt that higher beings would need such a system once they are able to see past time and space and view the simultaneity of creation. due to their expansion of consciousness they would be able to mentally know these things and automatically have the answer to many of the perceived mathematical “problems” without having to go through a “process” such as those we use in math. it might be like if you have three apples in front of you on a table. you don’t really need to count them individually in a process of succession to know automatically that what you see are three apples. likewise higher beings with an expanded consciousness and a bird’s eye view of time and space might automatically know many of the answers to concepts we view as mathematical problems that need to be solved. it seems to me that the equation mentioned here by the channeled beings is describing the properties of a liquid like energy field that permeates much like a liquid would inside the crevices of a container. only this time the crevices are matter and the different densities or vibrations of consciousness. it is like we are inside a giant liquid like bubble, or energy field, known to us as time and space. the energy has a mental affect on all consciousness within the energy field and creates a “focusing” of separate concepts or consciousness units. the true definition of energy according to many of the reliable channeled sources, especially ra, is that of a conscious force that creates the illusion of physical movement. so the reality is that it is only a perceived movement of the self through time or space. the entities you quoted showed that this energy travels at the speed of light and it is this same energy that creates the perception of both time and space; therefore the properties of both are the same and can be reversed in our perception of experience. also it makes sense that the speed of this energy field would have to be much faster than the perceived movement of our physical body in order to be able to create this illusion, much like the speed of a tire rim might create the illusion of a solid disc instead of individual spokes in the tire. but with this illusion it has the opposite affect of slowing everything down to a snails crawl and creates a mental “freezing” leaving behind a memory instead of the actual event. in actuality the speed of these events is infinitely fast and all occurs at once. in contrast the physical brain acts like a brake mechanism and slows us down mentally creating a separation of our self as an individual in a single moment in time. it seems to me that it is the brain that creates this freezing of a moment in time in 3d vibration. the brain could be compared to a computer processor. if you go back twenty years and look at the speed of earlier models compared to those we use today, you can see a big difference in the speed of processing information. the brain processes information at a certain speed created by the rate of 3d vibration or frequency and it is this speed that creates the freezing of a moment and is incomprehensibly slower than infinity. once the speed of light is reached by the physical body, the apparent illusion of space/time breaks down and the ability to move through time/space now becomes evident. to put it even more simply the energy field of time and space creates the illusion of separation and allows you to perceive different concepts of time or space. or put another way the energy field of time and space is your consciousness walling off the whole and only revealing to your individual self portions of infinity occurring slowly. so once again the energy field basically creates the perception of space and time and has an affect of slowing us down mentally in order to make this possible. space and time is the result of mentally separating the concepts of infinity. this walling off is done through the movement of a conscious energy that permeates the different “levels” of perceived vibration in the octave. it is consciousness affecting itself to create a hologram. what is the whole of creation? it is infinite possibilities that all occur simultaneously. i have found it most beneficial to attempt to look at our situation as a whole rather than in pieces because after all, the reality of our existence is of one consciousness. in order to understand the concepts of time and space it might be easier to look at it from a consciousness stand point instead of a mathematical one. consciousness is the whole and creates a mental illusion of space and time i have posted on this subject in another topic in a discussion of what is oneness. the entity ra also provided a considerable amount of information on the subject of time and space. understanding time and space can take us a long way in accepting oneness because it is this interface that allows us to experience the hologram of separation. if it were to be taken away infinite would be recognized. ra even went as far as to elaborate on the different dimensions of time in describing time lines and alternate realities or universes. we can see from that description that time not only goes backwards and forwards but also sideways, making it possible for an entity to experience multiple realities in different time lines at the present moment. the only reason we are not aware of these other realities is because our mental capacity has been slowed down to such a degree that we only perceive our current time line at the present moment. thus showing that time like space also has three dimensions, the forth dimension or measurement being the final element as either the rate of change in time or space. it is the movement of your physical body that creates the illusion of the rate of change. in space/time the change is seen in space and in time/space the change is seen in time. in time/space walking in one direction would take you forward in time and walking in another would take you backwards in time so your choices would have an influence on your environment just as they do here, only the influence you have would be of a different nature. you loose one thing and gain another. i don’t see why you would not be able to interact with other selves in time/space even though this may change the time line you perceive. i don’t know about that though because i can’t recall reading anything specific from any of the channeled material on that point. it must be stressed though that these dimensions are only mental projections of infinite intelligence and the ability to move through either time or space is not the true reality, it is just an experience in infinite possibilities of mental projections. finally i would like to point that i have repeated myself many times over in this post in an effort to clarify what i am trying to say. the hope is that by saying the same thing in many different ways it will become more clear to those reading.
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12-20-2008, 11:51 AM
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i thank you for your post eagleye, and thank you for taking the 'time' (lol ;d) of writing such a long post to educate us further.
this existence's illusion of separation is a broad concept, and still hard for me to fully grasp. the illusion is something i've known my entire life, and it's being rewritten and re-defined with day's intensity. discussing this makes me full of positive energy, i really feel like i'm spiritually growing, and perhaps intellectually too. but you cannot grow intellectually without a spiritual basis, so i try to harvest spirituality from all things as a priority. may we all continue to teach and learn, and never be disencouraged! i did think of all this before oxal put it before me, and having "it" confirming the thing i thought so hard on, and could only see the possibility outlined above, makes me very trustful to him and hatonn. a self realized truth is the most meaningful truth. i believe them to be of a lower density than ra, since they have some manner of 'personality' left, not speaking as a group but as "i". hatonn even joked around once, so perhaps they might be of 5th (they have similarities to the entity seth if you've read about him). they have, nontheless, wisdom which i am grateful for. all of our sciences are indeed simply transient. knowledge is determined, knowledge is lost, but we remain. our true self remains. i've always felt as if something fundamental was missing when i was studying math, chemistry etc; their ingeniousness only surpassed by their monumental failure. spirituality seemed the last thing meaningful to study, yet ironically the most rewarding, both for myself and those around me. the most fundamental wrong about our current mathematical system is our inability to handle infinity. infinity is all around us, simply gaze into the sky and you see it. gaze into your hand and you see it. even our most advanced mathematical system, quantum physics, normalizes infinity to plancks constant ( 6.626 068 96(33)×10−34 ) to try to explain this "dark matter" they've invented. it's amusing but mostly sad. most sciences seem to be founded upon coincidendes. you experiment until you find something that can affect something for beneficial/destructive reasons, but with no idea why and how. striving for expanded consciousness is the true path, but it's hard to put into words what you feel. the saying "words isn't enough" doesn't stem from nowhere. ^^ may this "speed limit" be the reason for the brain itself to be set at a certain limit (ie we use only a set % of the brain's real capacity)? might it be so that it's deliberately limited so that we don't float away into litteral infinity but actually learn the lessons of the 3rd density? it seems so, since we can only process data at a certain speed and hold a set amount of objects in our head etc. |
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12-21-2008, 12:15 AM
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ayadew,
i’m glad to see you got something from it, i too feel as though these simple revelations are creating a conscious spiritual growth inside of me. and i couldn’t agree more with your statement on the sciences when you said,” their ingeniousness only surpassed by their monumental failure.” by why is it that they seemed to have failed us? could it be that we can only find what we are looking for, or what we are led to believe we are looking for? this does seem to be the case, especially with a process like the scientific method. it is the scientist who determines the hypothesis to be studied, and the results can only mirror the questions asked. i don’t see anything inherently wrong with observation and experimentation, or asking questions, but the focus of study, as well as the data, can easily be manipulated to match the desired results of those negatively inspired entities who seek to control and dominate this planet. by looking at our current situation it can be determined that this is exactly what has happened. if the data does not match the questions being asked for the “theories” being presented, it is as simple as dismissing it and focusing on information that will support what they want you to believe, even though this is not what they themselves believe. using money as the control mechanism, this cabal with its many factions, has extended its influence into every facet of our society, including the educational establishments. the curriculum in science within these “accredited” schools are usually hand picked to remove any data that would support the spirituality of human beings. by controlling the flow of information, they control the reality which is constantly being created through the mass consciousness of humanity. these “illuminated ones” know that in order for them to keep their negative polarity they must control through free will in order to create a reality that meets their agenda. one way of doing this is to fool the population into consenting. they do this in part by presenting faulty biased “documented” scientific data which creates a belief system about reality. an important part of this fooling process is to make people believe they are nothing more than mechanical machines that can be reduced to the simple operations of their various parts. and this brings us to the point we are discussing, the manipulation and failure of science in the main stream to provide any real answers about the world around us. but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. we as a society are beginning to realize the joke was on us. many of us are beginning to reject these contrived realities. i believe the arrival of the internet is probably the single greatest contributor to this realization. with this change in the control of information we are now able to access all of the “rejected data” that has for so long been ignored by the mainstream media and educational institutions. this allows us to reach our own subjective conclusions from the data instead of someone else making those decisions for us. david has done an amazing job of researching and putting together all of these independent sources of scientific studies that has been rejected by the “trusted” mainstream scientific establishments. his books and posted articles are unmatched in this respect. it truly is a breath of fresh air from both a scientific and a spiritual standpoint. it seems that scientists on the illuminati’s pay role are slowly loosing a grip on their long cherished reductionist theories and people all over the planet are beginning to realize that this is simply not the way things work. true, many of the theories within the field of quantum mechanics may subscribe to a reductionism mentality, but there are those in this field who are not on “the payroll” so to speak, and who we could term as “independent” quantum physicists. if we are looking for spirituality in science it can be found just as easily. in depends on the questions asked. take for example one of my favorite physicist fred alan wolf. he has done an extensive amount of work showing how the experiments of the late louis de broglie provide evidence that the substance of the universe is made of consciousness. a simple overview of these experiments can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc these experiments support what we have been talking about in relation to the nature of time. they show without a doubt that matter exists only as potential. the collapsing of the wave of potential is achieved by the observer observing. the reality is that the physical universe does not exist as individual particles. it exists as infinity all happening at the same moment and our brains allow us to have the perception of time and space thus collapsing the seeming wave forms into particles. the act of observing or experiencing collapses these potential waves of energy or perceived motion of us as separate individual consciousness units. i suspect the near future will bring many delightful developments and a new spiritual approach to the scientific method instead of the dead reductionism. the duality that has been created between science and spirituality is nothing more than an illusion. this illusion of duality has been constructed by means of picking and choosing which information to accept, and what to reject, and then presenting this garbage science to the public. 
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12-21-2008, 10:49 PM
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eagleye, you speak much truth. i am grateful to you.
i can only repeat in my own words and thoughts, and attempt to weave something new in. science, yes. it's purpose is a broad question. i'm beginning to think that science is perhaps a natural progression as a planet gets more and more populated with 3rd density entities. from our illusion of separation, we desire meaning... we desire to understand the world, and science is a natural progression from there. i believe many thinks we might understand all the "secrets" in the world from mathematics alone, since it has brought us many things (we didn't really need in the first place). yes, i see it more clearly now. my mathematical outlining above is simly not very relevant. it has brought us the ability for you and i to talk, to spread messages, knowledge and awareness. it's a great tool for the progression of the free will! people are becoming more aware and sceptical by the day... old patterns are being broken. only in 10 years we've seen such fundamental changes in the overall consciousness as internet came into power. the "rejected" data as you say is wonderful for all of us. the world/time is truly speeding up! our scientists are too busy looking at the external world for answers, when they're all within us. they find what they're looking for, they look at the outside world and are led to what they're looking for: a cluster of paradoxes, an obvious illusion. but they embrace it nonetheless... today's science is much too concentrated around pride and money, they seem to encourage each other to follow in this familiar pattern. the esoteric science is mostly neglected and mocked, but we're also seeing an increase of interest in these things. it shall indeed be interesting to see how our world's consciousness evolves over these 4 years [from the day of this post!]. ^_^ indeed all this likely is in the "illuminated ones" interests. one can discuss conspiracy theories until one gets blue, but do they really matter so much these days? awareness is their demise. and increased awareness is what we have. we should simply neglect their existence and focus on that which brings us love and unity, not monger fear by discussing them. may we all continue to grow and spread awareness. perhaps the duality will soon be no more. |
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01-20-2009, 01:41 AM
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since my early studies in (sorry your rules prevent mention of it),
time is - but the consciousness of man! is that simple enough for you?
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01-20-2009, 06:29 PM
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time is a fundamental part of this density's consciousness and illusion, at least. but when you access higher places time is forgotten.. you simply exist.
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01-21-2009, 07:15 PM
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01-22-2009, 12:25 AM
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in time-space, we are fixed in space - as you say "while moving inside time-dimensions you may not influence the physical world [space]" but we may visit ourselves in different moments in time? what does this mean for us? what will it be like? does it mean that we will not be able to move about and travel on earth as we do now? will we not be able to experience nature as we do now? moving around in time sounds cool, but i think i've grown a little fond of being able to move around in space what if i want to visit a different place? will there only be one "space" option, as there is only one "time" option now? so many more questions than answers. perhaps it will feel much more natural than we can now imagine. |
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01-22-2009, 09:34 AM
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in time-space, we are fixed in space - as you say "while moving inside time-dimensions you may not influence the physical world [space]" but we may visit ourselves in different moments in time? |
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01-22-2009, 10:21 PM
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something i felt like adding to the discussion:
time is also a memory that we store in our brain. its just information about what just happened, and its the speed of how fast our brain is storing information. |
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