[Allbrunette]

here's an update on my mom opening up. in all honesty, i really wanted to send this in an email to matthew clark or aqcheryl. both have been very supportive and they seem to be the only ones really replying to my threads in the first place, so lol why not cut out the middle man? but i figured since i'm being open and honest about my life anyway, i'd just post it. if someone has advice - great! if not, than that's nice too.

several days ago, i explained how neat it was that my mom was opening up to david's research and the law of one in general. now, i'd say she's wide open. my cousin has been in the hospital for the past week after having twins. she's been sick and this particular hospital has a really bad rep when it comes to treating their patients and to make a long story short - she probably would've been best treated at a different one. but she's getting better and the newborn twins are great and everyone's happy so far. but anyway, family's been spending alot of time together to talk about this and our upcoming holiday plans. my mom was in town late (we live in separate cities - still just like 20 mins away or something), and between visiting the hospital, cleaning up for the babies' arrival and other errands, she wanted to get home to finish some laundry. i in particular don't like this, since daylight's saving time, it's been darker earlier. so around 6 or 7pm, it already looks and feels like 9 or 10pm. lol

but anyway, she wanted to get home to finish some laundry and i protested since my step dad wasn't off work yet and that meant she would be in a dark alleyway, in a laundry room by herself. the setup of their apartment buildings are like duplex-type condos. the laundry room is outside, in the driveway. she parks in back, so she's standing in an alleyway and the neighborhood isn't as friendly as it should be. she knows some of her neighbors but it's still a very seedy place. so jokingly before she left, i took her palm and pointed out the destiny line, since i've been reading bits and pieces on palmistry. i said since she had one anyway, than she's probably protected and shouldn't worry. we joked around for abit more than she left. i didn't think nothing of it. but today, she told us a very interesting story.

as she was driving home, the closer she got to her house, her breathing began to pick up. almost like a panic attack. and than she could feel someone watching her. the feeling only got stronger when she got out the car and started to finish her laundry. the laundry room is right infront of the porch, so she put on her headlights and she figured no one would try anything. but the feeling just kept getting stronger and stronger, like someone was watching her. so she just decided to stop what she was doing and got back in her car. the moment she did, a friend of her's who she hasn't talked to in several years called her. now this is funny to me, because i kno why my mom stopped talking to her despite what she says. lol my mom gets scared very easily and she doesn't like "psychic stuff'". her friend was always known to have some sort of visions and my mom always got creeped out because of this. so, this friend called her that night and wanted to know where she was.

at this point my mom was driving to a shopping center parking lot and already decided that she wasn't going to stick around. so the friend told her to do just that because as she was sitting on the couch watching tv, she also got a panic attack and just decided to call my mom. and she told my mom, she wasn't sure what was going on (because she's also reluctant in her gifts) but she knows my mom had a condo-sort of apartment and there was a man waiting for her in a courtyard. and they have a courtyard, that has no outside lighting on the side of the house right next to the laundry room. so that blew her away, and it blew me away as well. in retrospect, my mom thinks she knows who it is, because there's one neighbor she never met, whose face she never saw. even if he sits on his balcony, she could only see his feet and it's really weird. she can hear him watching (because the apartments are so close and his second story looks over their driveway) and at times, he tells her from his window, " don't worry. i see you. no one's here. i always make sure you're safe. " and she told me that the feeling she get from him doesn't feel right.

it's hard for me to not get a little worked up over this, because i've always felt that weirdness when i was in her laundry room. just like someone's watching you. but, i'm not psychic or anything and i'm not going to pretend like i knew anything. and that's kind of what upsets me. if we're close to people, aren't we suppose to get some kind of feeling that something bad may happen to them? i hate the "what if" questions myself, but i can't imagine what would happen if things went differently. and i didn't get a gut feeling or anything.

[nvideoe]

not that i have any experience in that field, but i believe that you can be too close to a person to recieve a "message". and i also think that your mother's friend was just the right one that day.

i hope you don't stop replying, and cut out the rest of us. i read all the posts, but i often feel that i don't have anything to contribute with, so i just don't reply. i don't get feedback on any of my posts (not that it's that many), and i thougth about just stop replying, but it seems i can't...

love, anette.

[Opinion_counts]

not that i have any experience in that field, but i believe that you can be too close to a person to recieve a "message". and i also think that your mother's friend was just the right one that day.

you're right. no use in beating myself up trying to figure out the why's and why not's.

i hope you don't stop replying, and cut out the rest of us. i read all the posts, but i often feel that i don't have anything to contribute with, so i just don't reply. i don't get feedback on any of my posts (not that it's that many), and i thougth about just stop replying, but it seems i can't...

love, anette.

awwwe. that was cute! thanks for replying.

[beloveds]

hello rtcan,

i was in a similar situation with people close to me - i passionately wanted them to "get it" they way i had gotten it. a shift for me occurred after asking a similar question at a cwg/ndw seminar where ndw simply responded wtih " oh, so you need them to get it.." that was all he said - i sat down and smiled - shift happened

blessings
luke

[jarsbars]

hello fellow seekers of truth and light


i need suggestions on how one can help loved ones in this great transition we are going through.

it hurts me (it used to hurt a lot, but not so much anymore) to see how people around me are so skeptics about ufo, 2012 and all the rest going on at the moment. i just had a very intense discussion (hence my post here) with my brother in law about secret government or the illuminati, and how the ufo phenomena has been get secret from us. he (like so many) does not believe that anyone would do such thing.

i must admit that my arguments were a bit poor, just mentioning all the videos and articles i have read on the net. his replies was that the net is full of conspire theories and the ufo thing is just another of the many coming every day.

i also talked about how we have been kept away from great science just because the group who manages this world want us to be ignorant. he laughs when i mention the physics of torsion field.

i don't believe in trying to convinced anybody into anything, but how can one be more prepared for a good and solid argument?

what kind of books or website can one go for better understanding of what's really going on?

i want to be more knowledgeable and better prepared. it is important because people just laugh at you and they seems to win when they say: show me the proof and i will believe!



funny world this is. people are living a lie but they can't see it.


thegate

[mireOpekrhype]

hello fellow seekers of truth and light


i need suggestions on how one can help loved ones in this great transition we are going through.

it hurts me (it used to hurt a lot, but not so much anymore) to see how people around me are so skeptics about ufo, 2012 and all the rest going on at the moment. i just had a very intense discussion (hence my post here) with my brother in law about secret government or the illuminati, and how the ufo phenomena has been get secret from us. he (like so many) does not believe that anyone would do such thing.

i must admit that my arguments were a bit poor, just mentioning all the videos and articles i have read on the net. his replies was that the net is full of conspire theories and the ufo thing is just another of the many coming every day.

i also talked about how we have been kept away from great science just because the group who manages this world want us to be ignorant. he laughs when i mention the physics of torsion field.

i don't believe in trying to convinced anybody into anything, but how can one be more prepared for a good and solid argument?

what kind of books or website can one go for better understanding of what's really going on?

i want to be more knowledgeable and better prepared. it is important because people just laugh at you and they seems to win when they say: show me the proof and i will believe!



funny world this is. people are living a lie but they can't see it.


thegate

i know your frustrations as i would like my family and friends to understand the same things i do, and it's very difficult to convince people of life-changing ideas in small conversations. most people are scared (deep down subconcsiously of changing their mind about everything they know) and don't want to hear big explanations anyway. like david has said, reading & talking is like a 56k modem, and it takes a lonnng time to 'download' & process this information (years). so it's extremely difficult breaking it down for people in bite-sized chunks when it's taken me so many hours of research and comprehension, affirmed by synchronicities & guidance that really help solidify knowing. so, my policy now is that i don't speak of these things unless they are brought up and the person wants to know. again, it will just open up a 'can of worms' & will inevitably lead to hours of talk if the person is curious (which they're usually not), and there usually isn't time for that in day to day activities, at work, etc. so in my opinion, if a person is interested, then just reccommend excellent authors, articles, and videos that have helped you down the path because ultimately everybody has to seek the answers for themselves. you can't give somebody enlightenment. in the case with your brother, maybe send him some emails with short, well done videos that might spark his interest to further seeking.

[DoctorTDent]

great advices 11wanderer11..took me a long time to realize, forgetting it still sometimes..

transiten

[gtyruzzel]

woah sounds like some really open minded family members out there. remember these topics are quite a long way from the mainsteam paradigm. my parents are an ex scientist now medical prof. and a zoologist theres no chance they'd be open enough for this site but i keep testing the waters just to see how far they'd be willing to stretch their beliefs. i do feel i chose them and they kept my eager mind stimulated with the worlds wonders from a young age, but time has come that ive left them in the dust so to speak, for a while i considered it my duty to help them become more aware asap but ive since wised up.

it was what carla said in her wanderers handbook...
think of ourselves as seed sowers, johnny appleseeds of the spirit. offer a
thought when the time seems right, then drop the subject and move on
with equanimity. a person will hear us when it is her time to awaken, not
before. trust the alarm clock each of us has set. we are all on schedule. we
can choose to accelerate that schedule, but only for ourselves. it is important
not to worry about the negative polarity as we work on our positive
polarity i keep saying to myself when i feel tempted to push others too soon "trust the alarm clock each has set"

[IamRobot]

i think you can only do so much for people, like the donkey saying, you can lead a donkey to water but not make it drink. you can guide people towards good sources of information but you cannot make them read it with enthusiasm. we all grow in our own time. don't badger people just allowit to flowwww

[AntonioMQ]

first, thanks moderator for placing my post in the right thread!

and thanks to all for your kind comments. i do agree with most what been said here.

i'm learning the hard way, but i made myself a promise the other day, no more arguments with anybody about what i believe is truth. if they are destined to be enlighten,then they will.


thegate

[LClan439]

so i had a rather odd experience this past weekend and would like to share it here to see if anyone has any advice/words of encouragement. let me start from the beginning...

i was brought up in a pretty catholic family (youngest of six children!) in a suburb of kansas city. i lived there my entire life until about 4 years ago, when i relocated to asheville, north carolina at the age of 23. there was no real rhyme or reason to the move, i just wanted to go somewhere new. a friend told me about asheville - somewhere i had never been - and i thought it sounded great, so i moved. only now do i realize that something was guiding me here. since i moved to this wonderful town i have immersed myself in things like meditation, yoga and metaphysics. over the 4 years that i have been here i have made great strides as a person and every day i'm letting go of all the fear/guilt with which i was raised. i truly don't think i could have done this in kansas city. asheville may have saved my soul!

so now that you have the backstory... i went home this past weekend to surprise my parents. i hadn't been back to visit for a year and a half, and i quickly remembered why. so much fear. so much hate. such narrow vision. i'm a college grad waiting tables, and my family seems to be a little frustrated that i haven't found a more lucrative occupation. anymore i'm not worried about becoming rich, i just want to help the world heal. i also know that if i let go of the fear of not having enough and focus on helping others then all will be provided. of course if i tried to comfort them with words such as these they'd think i've lost it. not the case at all, but you see my predicament.

we went to mass on easter sunday (i don't believe any of it anymore, but i went out of respect for my parents) and everyone was celebrating jesus and this and that, but not only a few hours later my father was listening to some political talkshow and at the mention of some liberal guy he said " that guy can go to hell." things like that, coupled with all the fear porn delivered by fox news and the local nightly news had me ready to get back to my sanctuary here in the mountains. i even picked up a pretty nasty stomach bug the last day of my visit and part of me is wondering if my mind was in such shock that it took a toll on my body. it literally felt like i went through a time warp going back there. i don't like to judge anybody, but alot of it just seemed so superficial and self-serving. it was kind of a bittersweet feeling, because it reminded me how much i've grown and let go, but it also reminded me that many people are still caught up in the fear, greed and selfishness. asheville's like my little safety bubble, and sometimes i forget that its the exception to the rule.

so my question for all of you out there who have had similar experiences, is what do you do? i love my family and love to see them, but sometimes it is just so hard to be around them. i'm going back for a week in june and i'm trying to figure out how to prepare myself for that. more importantly, how can i crack the surface? is there any way to open their eyes? i feel that if i bring up anything in the arena of metaphysics, they'll look at me like i'm nuts. so i don't say anything. are they just on their own? any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. blessings to you all.

michael

[Bugamerka]

the truth is you can't open up anyone's eyes unless they ask for it. i used to openly speak my mind about the things i've learned to family and friends, thinking that they were listening...only to realize over and over again later, that they let what i said go in one ear and out the other. in the last year or so, some of them have finally started to get intererested in these things since they're being featured more prominently in tv shows & movies & what not. they'd ask me a question and i would always think to myself "i already told you before", but that's just it. people don't learn until they're ready to. like jesus famously said, "you don't need to cast your pearls before swine" or whatever. so even if you have loving family & friends that are willing to tolerate your perceived nuttiness the messages won't sink in unless they're truly on that path of self-knowledge themselves. the best thing to do is just be an example. walk the truth. shine your light. wise enough people will take notice of the 'fruits' of your work...your health, peace of mind, wisdom, balance, etc. & will look to you for insights.

[cheaploans]

so i had a rather odd experience this past weekend and would like to share it here to see if anyone has any advice/words of encouragement. let me start from the beginning...


so now that you have the backstory... i went home this past weekend to surprise my parents. i hadn't been back to visit for a year and a half, and i quickly remembered why. so much fear. so much hate. such narrow vision. i'm a college grad waiting tables, and my family seems to be a little frustrated that i haven't found a more lucrative occupation. anymore i'm not worried about becoming rich, i just want to help the world heal. i also know that if i let go of the fear of not having enough and focus on helping others then all will be provided. of course if i tried to comfort them with words such as these they'd think i've lost it. not the case at all, but you see my predicament.

we went to mass on easter sunday (i don't believe any of it anymore, but i went out of respect for my parents) and everyone was celebrating jesus and this and that, but not only a few hours later my father was listening to some political talkshow and at the mention of some liberal guy he said " that guy can go to hell." things like that, coupled with all the fear porn delivered by fox news and the local nightly news had me ready to get back to my sanctuary here in the mountains. i even picked up a pretty nasty stomach bug the last day of my visit and part of me is wondering if my mind was in such shock that it took a toll on my body. it literally felt like i went through a time warp going back there. i don't like to judge anybody, but alot of it just seemed so superficial and self-serving. it was kind of a bittersweet feeling, because it reminded me how much i've grown and let go, but it also reminded me that many people are still caught up in the fear, greed and selfishness. asheville's like my little safety bubble, and sometimes i forget that its the exception to the rule.

so my question for all of you out there who have had similar experiences, is what do you do? i love my family and love to see them, but sometimes it is just so hard to be around them. i'm going back for a week in june and i'm trying to figure out how to prepare myself for that. more importantly, how can i crack the surface? is there any way to open their eyes? i feel that if i bring up anything in the arena of metaphysics, they'll look at me like i'm nuts. so i don't say anything. are they just on their own? any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. blessings to you all.

michael

hello michael

i too have had those feelings.

my advice is to release your need for them to "get it" as you have gotten it. by that i mean - remove your attatchment to having others believe as you do. one of the better ways to "crack the surface" is to embody the teachings you have brought to your awareness. by being an example of one who lives that awareness - others will easily notice the peace, joy, love and success that you possess - they will notice and soon want to know how you do it.

what i am saying is first be that awareness, be sure to release the need for others to get it and try not to judge others too harshly for not having the grand perspective you possess, be that person and others will naturally want to know.

blessings

luke

[Gadarett]

i wasn't sure where this post goes but i wanted to share with everyone my bad experience this evening as i was trying to wake people up to the truth about freedom, civil liberties and how the elite are trying to take it all away.

basically, while posting something online that would hopefully wake people up to the truth as to what's going on on our planet, i was called a "moron" and an "idiot." sadly their are people our their who just don't get it. they're living in a state of fear.

i don't want to go into detail of what is was about but what really hurt was being called a "moron." so now i wonder if my destiny isn't to wake people up because it seems if i try i get scolded which isn't right.

i really feel that i don't belong on this planet. everyday as we get closer to 2012 i feel like i belong with my kind somewhere else among the stars maybe i'm on this planet temporarily just to observe and then go back and teach my kind what i've witnessed.

[Aztegjpl]

it tends eventually in to the realm of an artform - aside from the sure sage advice of doc holiday who wisely suggests being and living your own spiritual attainment - said artform mentioned in the tense of wishing to share one's awareness of the delights of the rabbithole... one becomes rarified and astute as to thin shards of opportunity to gracefully and diplomatically offer tidbits and the odd rare pearl to those few found questioning minds which may benefit from a kernel or two of suggestive passivity.

my best results come from smiles and empathic eye-catchings, and perchance a thoughtful convo; imput heralds from a full earful of the other person's take on matters and that rules the direction, flow and tone of any convo which may organically ensue. passive suggestion based on the other's questioning who is not yet knowing the pregnant implication of the question is that direction in which the artform lies, imo, and the other's enthusiasm or lack thereof dictates the success of the venture.

usually the kind and friendly listening in and of itself rules the day. mark

[stadiaKab]

family is a very interesting dynamic

like yourself seeking it was wierd at first to become aware and not have your imediate family members there at your level. i would talk to them about things and get nothing from them. it was like they didn't care. this used to concern me because of the obvious love i have for them. i used to take it all personally as well which did not benefit anyone because it would then turn into a power struggle, and an arguement usually ensued. i came to realize that (like many of the other posters have said) every individual must find it on their own, you can't force feed people. they need to feed themselves.

like a lot of us awakened beings we've learned to live in the now, accept each and every moment, and give that moment exactly what we know that moment needs. if that is sitting listening to a parent worry about things out of their control then that's what that moment needs. just don't take it personally if it doesn't speak truth to you. that's when things can get a little hairy

love your family; tell them; show them. that's all. the ones who you have the most interaction with in your life are the ones that have the potential to teach you the most.

they will ask and recieve what they are ready to at every moment. whether they are awake or not. you might just be shocked at some of the things you learn from people when you open up to it.

[Hodstcopter]

...to gracefully and diplomatically offer tidbits and the odd rare pearl to those few found questioning minds which may benefit from a kernel or two of suggestive passivity.

my best results come from smiles and empathic eye-catchings, and perchance a thoughtful convo; imput heralds from a full earful of the other person's take on matters and that rules the direction, flow and tone of any convo which may organically ensue. passive suggestion based on the other's questioning who is not yet knowing the pregnant implication of the question is that direction in which the artform lies, imo, and the other's enthusiasm or lack thereof dictates the success of the venture.

usually the kind and friendly listening in and of itself rules the day. mark

bang on!!!

[viagradiscounttt]

i don't even try with my family. i am just going to wait and let them figure out and i'll be there saying "i told you so"

they think it's ridiculous that i entertain the idea of ufo's existing but most people as you know won't even go there at all. it's like they're numb to even consider it.

[Ubgvuncd]

do people struggle to pursue their higher consciousness, because their partner or spouse thinks its stupid and that their crazy? how do you make progress?