[HonestSean]

woooow....!

i had no idea this went so deep on this website/ forum. i just found/ glanced over the david blog titled, "the power elite do not control obama".

folks are downright scrappin' on this one, aren’t they!

usually when i see such a complete and total divergence of view on a topic, in which informed, heartfelt and insightful folks are involved on both sides, i note it as a timeline cross point.

basically, this is two near equal strength timelines that are intersecting. so, at the point where people are deciding which way to believe (which timeline to ride out to result on), elements of beliefs, observations, "proof" and potential outcomes of both timelines exist concurrently within the juncture point.

who knows if this will make sense to anyone, but i’ll throw it out there:

all possible futures potentially exist in one timeline or another, in one decision or another, in one choice of belief or another.

the trick, merely as i see it, is to determine if you feel your particular belief, will take you to your desired goal. if it does not, i would suggest 1) choosing a different belief or 2) learning to be comfortable with and at peace with where the fulfillment of your belief will take you.

the goal is peace, however you get there, so be it.

some folks say sometime like, “obama may be in their pocket, but i’m just going hope that it still is part of the path to leading us to a new peaceful world.” there is some vagueness in there, but it still works on leading to peace… good enough, they are happy.

some folks try for something like, “nope, he’s elite and all politicians are evil.” ok. i hope they will insert at some point what then is their belief of a path to the new world. (hopefully, it is one that allows for ease of passage for the most people or at least for themselves. and hopefully, then, they are and feel peace at the prospect of the fulfillment of their belief.)

so, i suppose, i must humbly submit…. perhaps the idea of a feeling that of the infinite permutations of choice available… many of the ones that turned out positive for the most people, somehow involved a benevolent obama… it is a highly concentrated synchronic point.

that does potentially ring of judgment though… “my picture turns out good.. yours doesn’t!” so, again, i say, the exact belief is not so important: when what you believe gives you a feeling of true peace, i feel you are going in the right direction… whatever the belief (at least for you) you are “right”!


much love again,

darlyne

[AnypecekceS]

i think the idea that the president alone can actually create the kind of huge and substantive change that we need to create a viable society (what we are in now seems, at least on the very apparent surface, to not be viable) is highly over-rated. if obama becomes prez and we see major positive change occur it will be because umpteen other people at all levels of government, industry, and society make that change possible. that his bright and shining aura might inspire many to such ends is extremely positive, after a fashion. and if the people are ready and create such change it is a sign of the times, ala the mayan calendar, a greater energy moving through us all, as todd rundgren wrote in one song, a "world-wide epiphany." barack would just be a more mediated version of this, a reflection of the hologram, a symbol then for what we must accomplish. we can see this in him if we wish, but we dare not then say, "oh, he'll do it all, he'll take care of us." if we raise him as a bright and shining symbol, and then indeed through the efforts of the many we do take a sharp turn for the better in the world, we can let him shine, but we had best assume the credit (having done the work) or, good or bad in the moment, we have handed over our personal power again.

the president is simply a figure-head. question is, whose?

world-wide epiphany now!!!

[Anteneprorid]

it is just so hard to trust anyone these days. i would like to trust him but his connection with george soros troubles me.

what is everyone's take on that?

[ArrereGarhync]

i see obama as kind of a lotus flower in the swamp of politics. he has great potential, and he hasn't "sold his soul" like most every other politician. but...he's still in the middle of that swamp, and in order to achieve his goals, he will have to associate with some of the swamp creatures…like his new running mate, joe biden.

he is going to have a difficult path to travel once he does become president. (honestly, only hard core brain washed republicans who “don’t want a democrat in the white house” will vote for mccain).

so yes, he’s certainly “a” better choice and has more potential for bringing humanity back to the white house, but my optimism for him is tempered by the fact that he will be continually pulled at by the swamp creatures to play the game their way. i hope that he can shine his light brightly enough to show the swamp people a greater truth.

[BlackBird]

i cant vote for obama.
just too many dirty ties for me to trust him.
i trust david wilcock more.
just dont trust his views on obama.
for now.

[codecouponqw]

a very interesting discussion going on here. it's great to see people can air their views and be heard in an objective manner . i love this site.

firstly i must say that i have not been following the presidential nominations as thouroughly as many of you good folk, so can only put forward my opinions based on limited exposure and an element of gut feeling.

i think it's fair to say there is a general feeling in the uk that the re-election of george bush was an incredible mistake by the american electorate, and somewhat lessened our opinion of the way the americans think, rightly or wrongly, (personally i think it was rigged but that's another story!).

obama is seen as a breath of fresh air with his heart being in the right place. there is much more good feeling towards him than whoever was nominated as the republican candidate for reasons stated above, the bush legacy.

my humble opinion is that it does not really matter who is voted the next us president as the world is on a course that cannot be deflected by any one individual. that said, i would prefer to see obama win through as i see the journey as being lot more harmonious for us all if he does.

love to you all

jim

[GinaIsWild]

a very interesting discussion going on here. it's great to see people can air their views and be heard in an objective manner . i love this site.

firstly i must say that i have not been following the presidential nominations as thouroughly as many of you good folk, so can only put forward my opinions based on limited exposure and an element of gut feeling.

i think it's fair to say there is a general feeling in the uk that the re-election of george bush was an incredible mistake by the american electorate, and somewhat lessened our opinion of the way the americans think, rightly or wrongly, (personally i think it was rigged but that's another story!).

obama is seen as a breath of fresh air with his heart being in the right place. there is much more good feeling towards him than whoever was nominated as the republican candidate for reasons stated above, the bush legacy.

my humble opinion is that it does not really matter who is voted the next us president as the world is on a course that cannot be deflected by any one individual. that said, i would prefer to see obama win through as i see the journey as being lot more harmonious for us all if he does.

love to you all

jim

even if david is later wrong and obama is part of the illuminati, they illuminati cannot do anything about 2012. ''if you can't em, join them.'' the illuminati realizes that there evil sadistic plans have fell apart, secret societies are at war with them and threatening them(assassination), people know about their group and many are leaving the illuminati, insiders are spilling the beans, and people are choosing love instead of hate and chaos. even if obama were evil, he is going to have to positively change america or be heavily scrutinized and suspected of being a evil doer(might even be assassinated). either way, he has no choice but to go positive and change the world for the better.

just let people love him because that is what people need nowadays.

[GentlieGant]

hi folks. thanks to the 911 event, i and many people worldwide have questioned deeply their assumptions about that whole thing we call democracy. watching the fabric of the veil created by the social engineers fall apart has been a spectacle to observe. i think a good number of people realize they have been downloaded with belief system programs that causes them to project outside of themselves for solutions to their plight for security and some sense of stability amidst chaotic circumstances. to some ,obama may appear as the wizard of oz and its their freedom of choice to do so. however, looking at the his the puppet masters surrounding him, such as ziggy brezhinski, who have played the global chess board at great cost of lives to many, are poised to sustain the pnac to culmination. i just do not see how obama can overcome this dilemma, although he has some good aspects to his platform, he has to execute it inside a web of power he did not design and could easily eat him alive. thankfully, i am canadian and cannot vote, cause if i was american, i doubt i would have any good reaso to do so.

[Czrzftmz]

it is just so hard to trust anyone these days. i would like to trust him but his connection with george soros troubles me.

what is everyone's take on that?

you don't pick a president because you can trust him, especially not in this case; presidents are invariably politicians; and politicians, by their very nature, are undeserving of trust.

vote in your own self-interest. which president is likely to do the least damage?

[elektikakass]

i cant vote for obama.
just too many dirty ties for me to trust him.
i trust david wilcock more.
just dont trust his views on obama.
for now.

so if you cannot get everything you ever wanted in a politician immediately you will refuse to participate? doesn't a step in the right direction - at least - hold any appeal for you?

as for the "dirty ties" remember: jesus could never be elected president. he would be weeded out before he made it to the house of representatives.

[tetMitshisk]

let's say obama is as great as some of you think.

is he so great that you're ok with him spying on your emails and tapping your phones? because he supports fisa, the bill that allows the government to do just that. of course, he opposed it until he secured the nomination, then switched his position totally.

is he so great that you're willing to follow him into a war with iran? after all, he told aipac that he'd be willing to initiate hostilities in iran to protect israel and prevent iran from having any nuclear capabilities.

this isn't about whether obama is good or bad, but whether any person is good enough to wield this kind of power over our lives. i don't care how enlightened he is; i don't recognize his right to rule me or any of you. he may be a good man, but no man is good enough to rule another.

but more than that, i hate to see deep, thoughtful people like you all place your hopes in an external agent. if this country needs change, why not be it yourself? why engage another to do it for you, and simply entrust him with the most power of any person on the planet? surely there is a spiritual role for obama, but it doesn't involve telling others what to do, or using violence or espionage against them.

[johnstylet]

i think the idea that the president alone can actually create the kind of huge and substantive change that we need to create a viable society (what we are in now seems, at least on the very apparent surface, to not be viable) is highly over-rated. if obama becomes prez and we see major positive change occur it will be because umpteen other people at all levels of government, industry, and society make that change possible.

extremely well said, leo! why must we always look outside ourselves for the answer?

[Mboxmaja]

a very interesting discussion going on here. it's great to see people can air their views and be heard in an objective manner . i love this site.

firstly i must say that i have not been following the presidential nominations as thouroughly as many of you good folk, so can only put forward my opinions based on limited exposure and an element of gut feeling.

i think it's fair to say there is a general feeling in the uk that the re-election of george bush was an incredible mistake by the american electorate, and somewhat lessened our opinion of the way the americans think, rightly or wrongly, (personally i think it was rigged but that's another story!).

obama is seen as a breath of fresh air with his heart being in the right place. there is much more good feeling towards him than whoever was nominated as the republican candidate for reasons stated above, the bush legacy.

my humble opinion is that it does not really matter who is voted the next us president as the world is on a course that cannot be deflected by any one individual. that said, i would prefer to see obama win through as i see the journey as being lot more harmonious for us all if he does.

love to you all

jim

hello bluebird, how ya doing tonight? man, i have had this conversation with so many europeans.

can i break it down for you?

#1: john kerry was a joke

#2: i agree with you in that i think the election was rigged.

#3: and most importantly, the media in this country is a joke. if you look on a map of the country showing in what parts of the country voted for who, you will see that the more sophisticated states, such as new york and california, overwhelmingly voted for john kerry. the states in the middle don't have the cultural diversity that the outside states do so all they base and shape their opinions entirely from watching our crappy media. our media is so slanted and full of fear and propaganda that you can hardly blame americans for not being smarter. i was just as amazed as you and my pride for my country fell tremendously as well.

but in a way george bush was actually good for this country. he was such a total retard that he woke many complacent americans up to stuff that has been going on since before nixon. now people are aware of the truth of the greed that dominates our law makers. and the fascism is becoming very clear and apparent regardless of how hard fox news tries to say otherwise.

he was such a blubbering fool and so transparent that we all can see the corruption very clearly now.

so for that, thank you bush. you can't win for losing!

oh and on another whole topic. it does matter who gets elected because this can be a gentle, smooth transition or a violent, turbulent shift. if mccain gets elected we will surely have world war 3 on our hands. and they will start drafting us americans to fight their stupid war. that means that they can force me to fight or send me to prison. hell no! we won't go!

take it light,
foo

[drycleden]

vote in your own self-interest. which president is likely to do the least damage?

ah, the epitome of voting for the lesser of two evils, which guarantees only the speed of one's descent into chaos and hell. when do we get the option of the greater of two goods? at what point did this universe decide to only offer evil? it sickens me to think of continuing in that vein. the system itself is a fraudulent juggernaut rolling off a cliff exactly because we have continued to choose from evil, lesser or no, every four years. why, if politicians truly are inherently undeserving of trust, would i vote for one and hand over my power and trust to them?

"so if you cannot get everything you ever wanted in a politician immediately you will refuse to participate? doesn't a step in the right direction - at least - hold any appeal for you?"

friend johnasmodeus, i've never gotten half of what i've desired from any politician. they take money from us, but they don't work for us. as for right directions, as i pointed out before, what change of direction can there be if one is always but choosing from the lesser of two vehicles going the wrong way?

vote for obama because mccain is a war-monger. gee, are we still falling for media messaging? i mean c'mon, people aren't figuring mccain as a serious hawk except that the media keeps telling them so. whoever gets elected is having a loaded gun with the safety off pointed at innocent people handed to them. all the teenage kids aren't going to give the bb gun to the kid who's going to put it safely away. they are willing to hand it to obama. do you think that means he'll put it away? hmmm...

change. ha.

as for not participating, there is no thought that goes unheeded from this plane. we are all participatory as we are all infinitely interconnected. my heart and will are extremely involved in this presidential race, and any steps in the "right" direction are extremely appealing. and in positive consciousness of seeing the beastly machine for what it is, i work to cast my vote as hundredth monkey in favor of a truly new direction, in favor of the greater and greatest of all goods, by not casting a vote in favor of the lesser of anything.

i cast my vote for all of us, that we become self-determinant and discerning. that we refuse product loyalty from dish-soaps to democracy. that we begin to effect the necessary change in our hearts and wills. and if obama's the dude, then he'll shine because we overwhelm him with our light.

they don't do a damn thing that we haven't allowed or willed already. it is time for that old song and dance to go bye-bye!

[career-builder]

good poionts, leo. but the fact remains that come november, somebody will be elected prez. "none of the above" only ever worked once - with richard pryor in brewster's millions. isn't focusing on everybody's negatives just logically useless?

[Zoxeeoy]

but in a way george bush was actually good for this country. he was such a total retard that he woke many complacent americans up to stuff that has been going on since before nixon. now people are aware of the truth of the greed that dominates our law makers. and the fascism is becoming very clear and apparent regardless of how hard fox news tries to say otherwise.

i agree with this. the worse things get, the more that people in deep sleep start to wake up. former bush enablers have been waking up in droves.

if obama turns out to be "more of the same" then imagine how many "sleeping democrats" will wake up! if obama turns out to be and act like "one of the good guys" then imagine the turnaround this country could experience. either way, we win in the end. consciousness is king, and no group of shady politicians and bankers can keep it suppressed any longer.

[in4wikiu]

from presstv 8/28/08

congressman ron paul says there is 'no difference' between us presidential candidates, democrat barack obama and republican john mccain.

"their foreign policies are identical," the texas congressman said in an interview with cnn on thursday. "there's no difference."

"they want more troops in afghanistan. they want to send more support to georgia to protect the oil line there. neither one says bring home the troops from iraq from the bases -- you know the bases are going to stay there, the embassy as big as the vatican, that's going to remain. so their foreign policies are exactly the same," he added.

the former republican presidential candidate said that the two candidates are both threats to the us national interests.

"we create the threats! why are we on the borders of russia provoking the russians? i mean, the georgians initiated the military attack against these enclaves where there were mostly russians... it's a fact that we're over there that we create these crises."

when asked if he endorses any of the candidates, paul replied, "i've endorsed neither one and we will not endorse either the two top candidates."

[beatrisio]

ah, the epitome of voting for the lesser of two evils, which guarantees only the speed of one's descent into chaos and hell. when do we get the option of the greater of two goods? at what point did this universe decide to only offer evil? it sickens me to think of continuing in that vein. the system itself is a fraudulent juggernaut rolling off a cliff exactly because we have continued to choose from evil, lesser or no, every four years. why, if politicians truly are inherently undeserving of trust, would i vote for one and hand over my power and trust to them?

"so if you cannot get everything you ever wanted in a politician immediately you will refuse to participate? doesn't a step in the right direction - at least - hold any appeal for you?"

friend johnasmodeus, i've never gotten half of what i've desired from any politician. they take money from us, but they don't work for us. as for right directions, as i pointed out before, what change of direction can there be if one is always but choosing from the lesser of two vehicles going the wrong way?

vote for obama because mccain is a war-monger. gee, are we still falling for media messaging? i mean c'mon, people aren't figuring mccain as a serious hawk except that the media keeps telling them so. whoever gets elected is having a loaded gun with the safety off pointed at innocent people handed to them. all the teenage kids aren't going to give the bb gun to the kid who's going to put it safely away. they are willing to hand it to obama. do you think that means he'll put it away? hmmm...

change. ha.

as for not participating, there is no thought that goes unheeded from this plane. we are all participatory as we are all infinitely interconnected. my heart and will are extremely involved in this presidential race, and any steps in the "right" direction are extremely appealing. and in positive consciousness of seeing the beastly machine for what it is, i work to cast my vote as hundredth monkey in favor of a truly new direction, in favor of the greater and greatest of all goods, by not casting a vote in favor of the lesser of anything.

i cast my vote for all of us, that we become self-determinant and discerning. that we refuse product loyalty from dish-soaps to democracy. that we begin to effect the necessary change in our hearts and wills. and if obama's the dude, then he'll shine because we overwhelm him with our light.

they don't do a damn thing that we haven't allowed or willed already. it is time for that old song and dance to go bye-bye!

well said!

@ mindovereverything:

you know, i am afraid to admit that you are right. the worse it gets the more people wake up. but lord, i don't want to see world war 3. the economy going down the toilet, natural disasters, diseases...fine, i think i can handle that. but i don't think my sensitive psyche could handle all the death and destruction a nuclear war would evoke.

and also, i just want to say i really enjoyed reading every bodies opinions here.

thanks!

[excivaamome]

well, this chat seems to be going pretty good.

one thing i have noticed is that the two, hummm... "camps" are starting to bridge now.

for folks who are in the "obama is cool/ helpful pres." camp, there is no conflict with including much of the concept of the others who endorse the "people rising up" camp" (embracing thier own enlightenment/ or otherwise "overwhelming obama with their own love so that that is what he is really projecting out). thanks to the many folks who took the time to write and flesh out their thoughts more.

i mean those two concepts are not really in confict. you could have them both come true, at the same time, and everyone can stand in thier prospective and see their "truth" manifested and it is all/both benficial for man moving along his divine path. yeah!

at this point most "incompatabilities" have been smoothed over:

if we don't have a good leader how do we get to 2012 easily?

my humble opinion is that it does not really matter who is voted the next us president as the world is on a course that cannot be deflected by any one individual.
jim

well, what if obama is evil/ illuminati?

even if obama were evil, he is going to have to positively change america or be heavily scrutinized and suspected of being a evil doer(might even be assassinated). either way, he has no choice but to go positive and change the world for the better.

i don't trust any politicians!

you don't pick a president because you can trust him, especially not in this case; presidents are invariably politicians; and politicians, by their very nature, are undeserving of trust.

vote in your own self-interest. which president is likely to do the least damage?

(do i dare say most of us agree that the pres. who will do the less damage is obama? so still good on non-conflict.)

where am i going with this? i am trying to make everyone on this list sing kumba ya and hold hands in great harmonies of bliss? nice idea, but i am not really aiming so high.

i am trying to get everyone out of everyone else's way.

in otherwords, if your belief/ observation/idea carves out a path to the new world, great. let us co- create without the "but you're doing it wrong" residue. is it necessary for a belief to cancel out other beliefs in order for yours to be true? look, we are all working on multiple fronts to get this thing manifested, so maybe less requiring another positive (leads to the new world) beleif system to be "wrong" in order for yours to be "right". keep it open system. one's understanding of reality need not be threatened by the possible exsitence of someone else's understanding.

take the ego out of the equation and just ask, "is there any possibility, where both of these ideas (which both try to lead to where i want to go) could either one work... any possibility at all?" if there is any possibility at all... bridge it. that means see a scenrio in your head where both of the ideas could work interchangably due to ______ circumstance. trust me, if you will just ask your brain for the suggestions it will come up with them... the mental field is completely designed to link any number of concepts creatively.

so why i am mentioning all this? the possibility of getting two strong beams of light to work with (not against each other, even subconciously) as one much bigger lightbeam, if that is interesting to folks.

a group of people want to bulid a house. one group wants to use wood, the other brick. evetually, some says let's use both, we just want a house. building starts and those who wish to work with wood do so, these who wish to work with brick do so. certain places in the house seem to build better with brick and at other times, better with wood. in the end we have a new house.

with the 50/50 brick and wood house everyone can work with a focused energy together. the brick and wood do not conflict; they wish merely to be used in peace for something good.

lol (lots of love)

darlyne

[Ubgvuncd]

i'm not going to lie, obama convention speech was pretty powerful. i don't trust any politician as they are all corrupt to a degree. however, i think the illuminati understands that there are too many conflicting groups that will not allow the evil nwo to happen. if everything went as planned, you would begin seeing early herding of certain people going into the concentration camps.

however, i would rather have lesser of the two evils in obama than have ronald reagan 2.0 in mccain. you see, after all that obama has promised, if he gets elected and he makes things get worse and is actually as evil as some people are reporting, people will definitely wake up because they will never trust the government again. people will be infuriated.