[Xodvbooj]

Carl…after reading your post, I was just a “tad” confused, so please allow me to breakdown what I understand you have said.

1. You dislike Americans, but not all Americans, just some Americans.
2. You dislike America, but you want to become one to enjoy the materialism our country has to offer.
3. You brand today’s Americans with the “sins of their fathers”…if that is the case, what people on this planet would NOT invoke this “hate” you so deeply feel?

I am born of Irish/Cherokee and Dutch/Apache parents…how they found each other is a long story. So, through my veins run the blood of Europeans and Native Americans. My parents taught me that all people are to be respected unless given cause not to do so. One’s skin color, religious beliefs or lack thereof was never ridiculed, but honored.

I have to admit that I do find your post offensive, not to say so would be a terrible omission on my part.

I do hope you replace that “hate” with “love” one day.

Qutemom

[ranndomderr]

Ok so i`d first like to start and say if you`re an american please don`t get offended by this.
I just can`t like americans i mean most of them i do,but america in general i don`t.The reason, because the way the europeans took the land from the natives, and the way the natives are being treated now and americas attitude to everything.This is weird as i want to emmigrate to america, i mean like their cities and cars and theire houses and everything, and stuff,but i dunno i guess i just feel really sorry for the natives and just have this hate, that i know i shouldn`t have, and the native would probably tell me not to have but i just do.

Please help give me some encouraging words, even if they are abit strong, but not offensive.Please if your american don`t take offense to this,as like i said some americans i like,this is just a weird thing i have.

Cheers

Carl

[geniusxs81]

Carl not one of us are full blooded American. We all came from somewhere unless we ARE Native.. which I am. So I suppose you could say I'm the American... the Native.

You have to stop fighting a war that isn't yours. NA's are getting treated better than we have, we have centers and places that are just ours. Yes, I agree what happened long ago sucked, but we evolved, people evolved. Those that stay angry will never be free in their hearts anyway. Our people did not own this land. The Creator owns this land. We just live upon her. Segregation is for the simple minded. We are all one people, one race we are all HUMAN.

I am no one's victim. I live free.

[ranndomderr]

Carl not one of us are full blooded American. We all came from somewhere unless we ARE Native.. which I am. So I suppose you could say I'm the American... the Native.

You have to stop fighting a war that isn't yours. NA's are getting treated better than we have, we have centers and places that are just ours. Yes, I agree what happened long ago sucked, but we evolved, people evolved. Those that stay angry will never be free in their hearts anyway. Our people did not own this land. The Creator owns this land. We just live upon her. Segregation is for the simple minded. We are all one people, one race we are all HUMAN.

I am no one's victim. I live free.

thanks Pagan Medium,what tribe are you from?And do NA have computers in their reservations? But Natives struggle to get food and stuff don`t they? i`ve also heard that some tribes are going extinct.

[geniusxs81]

Now its my turn to tell you a bit about "The People" I am Chippewa (by the white name) Ojibwe or Annishinawbeg by my people's name.

NA's are people, those still on the Rez have issues with letting it go. They get caught up in alcohol (which we cannot drink without major issues, something with our bloodline) and they don't evolve. The older people on the Rez's also stay because they grew up there and it's all they know.

The government gives them SO many resources, most of them are bitter and angry and choose to continue to hate the white man for their suffering.

HUMANS make their own suffering. They can just as easily move off the Rez, get a job, maintain a life like the rest of the human race. They have more benefits than most "whites". I am not proud of some of the views of my people. We cannot blame those Spanish/French/German etc people for our problems.

That was too many years ago to hold a grudge. IF they still do.... it's their own issues and they need to work through them.

I am not prejudice, I refused to blame anyone for my problems. We are hear to learn and evolve. Nothing that happened before was a mistake. It was a lesson, for everyone involved.

It's time for us to take responsibility for who we are now and not fight the fight of the 7 grandfathers.

Aho

[geniusxs81]

as far as extinct, there are not enough full bloodlines of tribes to keep it pure. Unless we are incestuous. We know it is inevitable that our lines will fade out into nothingness. It changes nothing in our heart of who we are. I still live by the laws of the land. I am and will always be Annishinawbeg (of the people in Ojibwe)

[ranndomderr]

Thanks alot laura.Much appreciated.It`s so hard to let go though, i mean the whites backstabbed the natives so many times.Anyways i gtg chat later, thanks alot much appreciated.

[geniusxs81]

People will always segregate other people. It's ego. This is why this board is SO important. I could be mad at the Germans for WWII and killing people, I could be angry at many people but why? We are now a much more evolved human race. Those that do not see the "light" of being all one People have much learning and forgiveness to do.

We are here on SB to help heal the world. I hope you join us. Let go of the anger and be free.

XO

[Lolita Palmer]

It may be that there is a lesson to learn in this. The lesson is as pagan medium says, the war is not yours to fight. This brings to mind for me quite possibly a past life connection in which that you were either native american or american which explains why you feel so drawn to their lifestyle. If you try meditating on this past life link that has influenced your current life, I am certain that you'll be able to find the reason as to why it's come up in your current life. After you've meditated on this particular subject you can release those feelings that you have in regards to this.


I could be utterly and completely wrong of course, it's just what sprang to mind for me while reading through this post. Naturally as the others say it could be ego getting in the way of your journey, but think more on the present rather than dwelling on the past.

[peemovvie]

Hi carl! I was born in America but my family is of Euro descent. I too hated the Euros what they did to the NAs, I hated my own ppl, as a kid I spent many a sleepless night worrying & crying over what did to the NAs. Then, like Laura said its time to let go. I could be angry at what the English did to my Irish Catholic grandfather & his family. I learned to let it go. Hate & anger are 2 hurtful feelings. Negative feelings do not help.

[ranndomderr]

It may be that there is a lesson to learn in this. The lesson is as pagan medium says, the war is not yours to fight. This brings to mind for me quite possibly a past life connection in which that you were either native american or american which explains why you feel so drawn to their lifestyle. If you try meditating on this past life link that has influenced your current life, I am certain that you'll be able to find the reason as to why it's come up in your current life. After you've meditated on this particular subject you can release those feelings that you have in regards to this.


I could be utterly and completely wrong of course, it's just what sprang to mind for me while reading through this post. Naturally as the others say it could be ego getting in the way of your journey, but think more on the present rather than dwelling on the past.

It`s funny you should say that as i believe that i was NA in my previous life.As i naturally love animals and the land and earth,what i mean by natural is i`m always loved them it`s me not my ego or nothing.When i`m in a forest i feel as though i`ve come home,so i stay away from there becuase it makes me depressed when i leave.
I`m also just getting over a chest infection and all this sprang up in my mind again, like i was a native, before the europeans arrived, and so i think it may be my spirit guide.

But when i`m watching like curb your enthusiasm or some over american program where they are like businessmen and have it all and are really happy this is when the feelings are at there worst because they have it all and are healthy n such, yet the NAs haven`t got it so good.

Thanks for all your help.
Has anybody got any links on NAs in 21st century america or any reservations, as i need to but this to rest.Laura has helped me alot though.:-D

[Beriilosal]

A few years ago i had a past life regression in which i was a young native american girl, unfortunately i was killed in the village where i lived was attacked by soldiers. For ages after i held this deep resentment, not for the people but for a beautiful and peaceful way of life lost. I began to read up on native american history and lore, which probably made it worse but was interesting and thought provoking.
Its sad that they lost so much, i would give just about anything to live as one with the land again, unfortunately we live in such a materialistic world at the moment i think it makes most of us yearn for something simple.
I hold deep sorrow that many have lost their way in life.
I blame religion and parental prejudice, i know that sounds offensive but what i mean is nearly every war in history is fought in the name of religion, the old my religion is right and everyone elses is wrong is getting old. I hope one day people will realise that we all worship the same thing no matter what you call it or how you do it. By parental prejudice i mean that our children learn from us, we teach them that a certain race (native americans) are lesser then your children will grow up believing it. I could go on and on about this lol
But alas i will point out that it wasn't just native americans, Celts and paganism were nearly wiped out when christianity swept west and as a pagan i hold no grudge against my fellow brits.

[geniusxs81]

SO TRUE Lakota_Spirit! It's just a big circle. We all are one... But again Earth is school to teach us and we must rise above the prejudice and hatred in order to grow in spirit and be reborn again to do it all over again!!

[DagoIgnog]

Ok so i`d first like to start and say if you`re an american please don`t get offended by this.
I just can`t like americans i mean most of them i do,but america in general i don`t.The reason, because the way the europeans took the land from the natives, and the way the natives are being treated now and americas attitude to everything.This is weird as i want to emmigrate to america, i mean like their cities and cars and theire houses and everything, and stuff,but i dunno i guess i just feel really sorry for the natives and just have this hate, that i know i shouldn`t have, and the native would probably tell me not to have but i just do.

Please help give me some encouraging words, even if they are abit strong, but not offensive.Please if your american don`t take offense to this,as like i said some americans i like,this is just a weird thing i have.

Cheers

Carl

Yes, we understand where you are coming from. I don't like my own country in this recent decade. Just too much arrogance, and zenophobia going around it feels like. Although those behaviors are disappearing slowly now that Bush is out of office.

[DagoIgnog]

Carl not one of us are full blooded American. We all came from somewhere unless we ARE Native.. which I am. So I suppose you could say I'm the American... the Native.

You have to stop fighting a war that isn't yours. NA's are getting treated better than we have, we have centers and places that are just ours. Yes, I agree what happened long ago sucked, but we evolved, people evolved. Those that stay angry will never be free in their hearts anyway. Our people did not own this land. The Creator owns this land. We just live upon her. Segregation is for the simple minded. We are all one people, one race we are all HUMAN.

I am no one's victim. I live free.

Cool, I didn't know you were an N/A. I went to a Cherokee reservation once and at a show they had, they had a few N/A storytellers and they explained why it was okay to call them Indians instead of N/A. I've also heard that Indians are against the term, "Native American" because it was given to them by the white man and they view it as black man would view the term, "n*****". Is this true?

[geniusxs81]

They got that backwards. We don't like being called "Indian". Columbus thought he had landed in INDIA.. hence Indians. We are Natives to America. So NA is the proper term. Most of us simply go by our band. I am Ojibwe some are Lakota, some are Cree, etc.

I guess its similar to people who would rather be called African American than Black or colored people.

Cool, I didn't know you were an N/A. I went to a Cherokee reservation once and at a show they had, they had a few N/A storytellers and they explained why it was okay to call them Indians instead of N/A. I've also heard that Indians are against the term, "Native American" because it was given to them by the white man and they view it as black man would view the term, "n*****". Is this true?

[Xodvbooj]

checking to see if this note posts...i gave a reply but it didn't show, so just checking!