[imawlBoli]

yes but dont you have to have a thought ...(think of the issue ) then act upon it .
a synchrisity of thought then action then manifestation ??????
I am not being flip...trying to understand your words as they in a way seem almost the same to me ....sorta like a glove and each finger of the glove means something else but yet a part of the whole glove..
even though i understand your words( or maybe I actually don't) they seem to also be a part of the whole to me.

and thank you for the lovely words you posted about everyone here.

(((((((((((((((SKYE)))))))))) the cross actually was supposed to be animated. it was supposed to go from a cross to a reiki symbol to muslim to buddhist to i forget what all but it didnt flasjh after I put it there and I never went back to change it .
actually the cross stands for more than religion. it stands for crossroads in visions and dreams and which path will you take next......so never went back to fix it lol

I was quoting Pure and giving my conflicting opinion. Now I don't know if I confused you or I'm just confused. Haha! I FULLY believe that thoughts create reality, and based on the many conversations I have had with spirits regarding perception, that's just scratching the surface of what's really going on.

[v74ClzKY]

All I know is all I ever felt emotionall from the posts energy was anger and mad at the world from almost all her posts... It almost threw me backwards a couple of times.

So I request we all send love, patience., and prayers for monetary abundance to come their way.

I dont have to actually understand the meaning of all the posts on and by puressence but I do know the right thing to do . it doesnt matter if it s new age, old age, or higher than the sun and moon ....a prayer and well wishes never caused anyone harm.

i agree that her posts felt angry. i do apologize for addressing the issue in a prayers post... that was very inappropriate. all i kept thinking while reading her responses was "why are you here?" i couldn't get that question out of my head, but i would never want to discourage anyone from a place that offered spiritual support. I digress....

i hope that puressence is able to find what ever she is looking for.

[Keyclenef]

She is holding onto a lot of hurt but she is in denial and whilst in that frame of thought nothing will change from within.

[gundos]

Hello, everybody! I just found this thread. Whoa....I didn't mean to raise up a storm. Thanks again for your support, and I agree that Pure is just very angry, gives a feel of a vampire preying on other people's misfortunes. I'm praying for her. BTW, are you guys sure she is a woman? I think it's a man.
What I said about "The Secret" - I don't mean that I don't believe in creative visualization, I know it works, just the movie and the book is sooooo commercial, and author's ego is bigger than Texas. I prefer the original, "The Science Of Getting Rich" by Wallace D. Wattles, the one they used as basic idea. Also "Creating True Prosperity" and "Creative Visualization" by Shakti Gawain. She is one of my all-time favorites.
Did I just start another discussion? LOL

[Keyclenef]

You're more than welcome to the support enlightened. This is what is so good about this site.
As to whether pure is actually a man or a woman or not, I'd say woman. Yet I knew that a previous member, "Green Mist" was a man but I kept referring to him as an her, didn't I pagan So don't count on me being right

[gymnAnemoe]

I am laughing as I thought Pure was a gay male....guess thats what I was feeling

now this is interessting......male or female that is the question rflmho

[v74ClzKY]

haha i just assumed female. that was the vibe i got.

[amusaasyday]

I'm surprised this conversation is still going on. Are we feeding into what they brought here and can't let go? Perhaps, all heck will break loose on me for saying this but enough is enough with this person and subject.

Lets start a new thread on happy positive things....something different and exciting. This to me is getting out of hand and one person said a psychic vampire????? well here ya go!!

Love and blessings

PS. Can we close this thread

[Keyclenef]

Works for me Thread is so closed

[Keyclenef]

I do not wish to add this post to the Prayer and Healing Request forums, as it is inappropriate, which is why I have placed it in here. It's in reply to a question I asked puressence. However, I am sorry for having asked it under enlighteneds prayer request thread. Therefore I apologise firstly to enlightened and then to others for acting in a disrespectful manner.

My original question - Hello pureessence, could you please clarify what people you are referring to in your comment about prayers and other "new age" advice being nothing but a meaningless "cop-out? It would be interesting to know your thoughts on this. Thanks

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Originally Posted by puressence
well i used to be a firm believer in the seth books by jane roberts. in fact i embraced much "new age" dogma without validating it in my experience.

i'm saying when someone is having financial difficulties prayers or "sending positive energy" are ways to avoid taking action to help someone.

i'm not a believer in your thoughts creating reality. i believe action creates reality. what's gonna help her is getting financial assistance.

just go ask any homeless person whether they want your prayers. they'll laugh in your face. they need financial help or something substantial like housing etc.

all these supposed christians preaching charity and all these new agers preaching love love love and a new world.

how's that gonna happen when everyone is still avoiding taking action. prayers aren't gonna help her. meditating isn't gonna help her. money will help her.

if people honestly believe they're helping by directing prayers or energy to others they're sadly mistaken.

i challenge all of you to give up what you have. try to go from having nothing to something with people's prayers or sending your energy. it doesn't do squat. it's a "cop-out". a way to avoid taking action like maybe giving this woman some money or a house to live or something.

i understand that some don't have financial resources but there are those of you who could give her $10. 10 people x $10 = diapers for her baby.

you know what people in the old days used to do...help each other!

Puressence, I am saddened that you believe the offering of prayers has no value to another soul in their hour of need. True prayer that comes from the heart and soul of a person, (rather than a simple repetition of words) is never wasted for thoughts are extremely powerful. Your post is full of bitterness, hurt and pain. I'm sorry that your experiences have not proved to be successful when your need was great.

Enlightened may well be short of money but would giving her money be of any true value? Yes, of course it would help pay one or two of her bills or provide food for herself and her family. But what happens when the money runs out? Should she have to go out and beg? If others do it for her now how will she learn how to do it for herself? No, giving her the money would be of no benefit. As harsh as it sounds it isn't money that she needs. The money side is only part of the problem. She has to be the one to gain the strength and courage to persevere through these trying times and find the right solution. Prayers are there to assist her on her journey to help her find the right tools to use so she can create a better and more secure future. That is of more help to her in the long run rather than the handing over of money.

Is it not better that enlightened finds the inspiration or encouragement to go seek out work that will give her a guaranteed income whereby she could improve her lifestyle? One disappointment does not mean she should become discouraged. Prayers can give her the motivation to rise above her present troubles and then she can take action herself to resolve her own difficult cir***stances. Only enlightened can do this, no one else can.

puressence - i challenge all of you to give up what you have. try to go from having nothing to something with people's prayers or sending your energy. it doesn't do squat. it's a "cop-out". a way to avoid taking action like maybe giving this woman some money or a house to live or something.

I have been there. I don't need the challenge. I have lived on nothing. I haven't had the money to feed my children, or had enough to keep them warm during the cold winter days and nights. We've sat huddled under bedding to keep warm. I've eaten beans, nothing but baked beans for many a week. I got through it, we all get through difficulties, we have no choice unless we want to be a victim of our own making. It was through peoples generosity and prayers that kept us going. The knowing that we were not alone made a huge difference to how we dealt with the problem. But I tell you this, we all are stronger for having gone through it. As much as we hated going through it, i'm so thankful that we did.

puressence - all these supposed christians preaching charity and all these new agers preaching love love love and a new world.

I feel this has more to do with your disappointment of others more than anything else.

As enlightened stated in her OP she didn't feel comfortable asking for prayers in the first place. I hope that she isn't put off for asking for any further prayers or healing in the future. She certainly wasn't asking one here to give her money, that has been unfairly misconstrued. We all need to remember that our thoughts and words do have an impact on peoples lives, we are each responsible for what we say as it affects everyone who hears, or in this case reads them.

[gymnAnemoe]

I am in agreemment with Skye on this subject.


Pureessence seems to be angry about anything spiritual unless someone specifically offers money.

As long as you persisst with this negative emotion you will draw nothing but negative emotion to you. As long as you constantly feel you are poor and in need of money that that is what you will be......

If this is the case why are you on a spiritual site????

You seem to be mad at the world......Please release all this negative emotion before it makes you physically sick...........

[Flistelib]

I am in agreemment with Skye on this subject.


Pureessence seems to be angry about anything spiritual unless someone specifically offers money.

As long as you persisst with this negative emotion you will draw nothing but negative emotion to you. As long as you constantly feel you are poor and in need of money that that is what you will be......

If this is the case why are you on a spiritual site????

You seem to be mad at the world......Please release all this negative emotion before it makes you physically sick...........

you have no idea what you're talking about.

you know nothing. skye knows nothing. the only thing any of us know for 100% is we know nothing.

you're doing what most "new agers" do. you read something and regurgitate and "parrot" it like a mantra.

so you're dumping one duality for another?

now we're exchanging hate and darkness for love and light and fluffiness.

that's just more duality..i'll pass...we're a mixture of dark and light and all feelings need to be expressed.

your not expressing your negativity will lead to you getting ill

and i have to say i want to put you on ignore 'cause i'm sick of looking at that cross..ughhh

[PaulRyansew]

Puressance - Can I ask you a question?
Why are you on this site? I appreciate that everyone has the right to their opinion, but since you are relatively new to this site, I'm just curious what you had originally hoped to get out of coming here?

[Keyclenef]

Daddy's Girl, she has left the forum.

[Nopayof]

Its sad when we get preyed upon because of our "fluffiness". She was just seeking monetary assistance and had no room for "love or bunnies" lol

I wish her well. She'll figure it out when she gets to the Other Side. Makes me sad for her.

[Keyclenef]

Yes it is sad. Never mind it's her choice how she treats people. The old saying what goes round come round. Oh eck what do I know? Nothing lol.
Sophia there's nothing wrong with your cross. I say make it bigger

[imawlBoli]

"i'm not a believer in your thoughts creating reality. i believe action creates reality. what's gonna help her is getting financial assistance"

Every time I'm really getting deep into it with the money situation, I ACTIVELY pray, I ACTIVELY change my negative thoughts into positive ones, and I ACTIVELY ask the universe for help and am ACTIVELY thankful and grateful to my guides, the universe, god, or what the heck seems to be running things in my life.

Due to this, on at least 6 occasions, I have recieved random checks in the mail, anywhere from $300 to up to $4000, and it's usually really close to just what I need to fix my financial issue at the time.

When I need to find a job I say 100 times a day "I have a perfect job for a perfect pay, I do a perfect work in a perfect way." I have never been unemployed, I have always made great money, and most importantly, I have always LOVED my jobs. My co-workers, what I do, what I make. Everything.

I know that Pure has left the board, and my hope is for her to find peace in life (as we all seem to find peace in death, so I know it is inevitably coming). However, I felt compelled to write this so that anyone else who is wondering about thoughts vs. action can see exactly how they are connected, and exactly how creating your own reality can work.

And a huge hug to everyone on this board who has given Pure your time, energy, and love. Though it may go unnoticed by her, it does not go unappreciated by others.

[gymnAnemoe]

i'm not a believer in your thoughts creating reality. i believe action creates reality. what's gonna help her is getting financial assistance" yes but dont you have to have a thought ...(think of the issue ) then act upon it .
a synchrisity of thought then action then manifestation ??????
I am not being flip...trying to understand your words as they in a way seem almost the same to me ....sorta like a glove and each finger of the glove means something else but yet a part of the whole glove..
even though i understand your words( or maybe I actually don't) they seem to also be a part of the whole to me.

and thank you for the lovely words you posted about everyone here.

(((((((((((((((SKYE)))))))))) the cross actually was supposed to be animated. it was supposed to go from a cross to a reiki symbol to muslim to buddhist to i forget what all but it didnt flasjh after I put it there and I never went back to change it .
actually the cross stands for more than religion. it stands for crossroads in visions and dreams and which path will you take next......so never went back to fix it lol

[Keyclenef]

Interesting Sophia about the cross should change. I agree with you about it not being specifically for religon. When I look at it the impression I get is one of hope. The light that is reflected or shines is also in us and will guide us on our way.

[gymnAnemoe]

beautiful thought Sky...when i look at it my first thought is God then i think ...okay what path is the spirit world going to guide me to today and then I see chakra energy......so much out of such a small symbol ......