[Siffidiolla]

Here is something else to mull over. I have been told that there is a GOD, and that there is a war going on between "good and evil". There are those who wish to complicate the world's problems even further for their own gain. This seems to be conspiratorial in nature. All over the world the spiritual essence of humanity is dwindling and it seems as though GOD has taken a backseat to MAN. If there is no GOD, why do you think we are here? If there is a GOD, why do you think we are here? I can tell you what I have been told, but I want a consensus from others first.

[Verriasana]

Lucien, you are asking alot and giving nothing of yourself. Perhaps an introduction in the members general will serve you well.

It is rude to come in and ask alot from others, and tell us that later you will respond!???

We dont know anything of you and yet you want our deepest inner thoughts.


What is your intention with these questions??

You are coming across demanding and heirachial.

are your intentions Pure of Light or not? Are you looking for the vulnerable??

[Verriasana]

thankyou for your responses in your posts. And thankyou for sharing.


I believe there is a god also. But what ggod and evil are you talking about, is it spiritually good vs evil or physically good people vs the conspiracy( keep people in control and fear?)

I dont belive god has taken a backseat to man. Its just that we entered the earth with a contract that says as a human we have free-will!

Which means god, our angels, our guides, cannot interfere unless we ask. But that when we ask for help, we do so through pure love, intent, a positive manner, and with no restrictions.

I have just copied this again form a post i made a while ago
for example, oh why cant i find love? please send me the guy/girl im going to marry. ( In the next breath) oh this is silly its never going to happen.

you will be spot on with the last one if you think that way.


We enter the earth knowing our connection with god (the source) is severed. We are then here to try and connect with the source of love (god). But it is done through free-will.

I believe one of the reasons we are here is a test we wanted to see if we had the connection severed and free-will, would we in fact do the right thing, would we search for the light, even when there seems to be nothing but darkness around us.


By doing this in some way we are increasing our vibrations on our journey home (death). I dont believe there is one heaven. I beleive we have many differesnt levels just as we do here, within our own knowlege.

I look forward to reading other peoples beliefs. Its a great way to learn and to see if some-one else has a piece of the puzzle we have not yet found.

Thanks Lucien

[LOVEBoy]

Here is something else to mull over. I have been told that there is a GOD, and that there is a war going on between "good and evil". There are those who wish to complicate the world's problems even further for their own gain. This seems to be conspiratorial in nature. All over the world the spiritual essence of humanity is dwindling and it seems as though GOD has taken a backseat to MAN. If there is no GOD, why do you think we are here? If there is a GOD, why do you think we are here? I can tell you what I have been told, but I want a consensus from others first.

Read Malachi Martin's books and you'll be able to discern for yourself.

[Suvuseh]

Here is something else to mull over. I have been told that there is a GOD, and that there is a war going on between "good and evil". There are those who wish to complicate the world's problems even further for their own gain. This seems to be conspiratorial in nature. All over the world the spiritual essence of humanity is dwindling and it seems as though GOD has taken a backseat to MAN. If there is no GOD, why do you think we are here? If there is a GOD, why do you think we are here? I can tell you what I have been told, but I want a consensus from others first.

I read this thread and the first thing that came into mind is that you have not reached a level in your natural psychic abilities to have no "DOUBT" that we evolve into another life when our physical bodies die.

I don't care what is written, or who says what. I use to be afraid of death and I find that the great majority of people like myself who have gifts that have evolved to a much higher level than normal feel this way, no not feel this way, they are absolutely sure of it.

The majority always has power, especially in dealing with a subject like this. If you decide to develop your natural gifts you will be transformed in ways you can't imagine. I am not the same person I was four months ago. I was a skeptic once, that person doesn't exist anymore, he's is gone forever. I feel that have been lied too all of my life and now my eyes are wide open.

There has always been a war against good and evil, it didn't just start, and it isn't only in heaven but right here in your backyard.

As the scientific community says "human beings only use about ten percent of our brain power", we are still primitive as far as my views are, look at how humans treat other humans for one, and there is only one race and that is the human race, everything else is culture.

Man is destroying mother earth, but that doesn't matter because man will die off but the earth will just replenish itself and mother earth will continue, we have a chance to change that, but will man learn. Money to man is far more important.

Well, this is my 2 cents on your thread, but there is way more than just my 2 cents believe me.

[LOVEBoy]

When I suggested you read Malachi Martin it is because he has a view that is very similar to mine, but conveys it much more eloquently.

Basically, he believes that we are meant to evolve to a spiritual being and when we achieve that status en masse, we will ascend to a new home and leave this earth to those that will destroy it and they in turn will be destroyed.

Pretty radical thinking for a former Vatican theology professor don't you think.

[Verriasana]

Ive met another lady who believes we are going to leave this earth and go to a new one, but i cant see us all being beemed up to another planet. the energy to do that would be HUGE.

But that is not for me to say it cant be done either!


My thinking is the earthqaukes, volcanoes, tidalwaves, will cleanse alot of people off the earth, so as to bring in the new souls, the energy, of pure love.

I like eckart tolles view, the vid i posted on a new earth.

I will keep an eye out for his books, thanks raven

[Suvuseh]

When I suggested you read Malachi Martin it is because he has a view that is very similar to mine, but conveys it much more eloquently.

Basically, he believes that we are meant to evolve to a spiritual being and when we achieve that status en masse, we will ascend to a new home and leave this earth to those that will destroy it and they in turn will be destroyed.

Pretty radical thinking for a former Vatican theology professor don't you think.

I don't think its radical at all. He is completely right, we are given the power to get to a very high level in our spirituality, but most of us don't move forward to that direction. This is what I am trying to convey to lucien, I myself am at the very start by just saying "my eyes are open", now I have to move further in my spirituality. Like I mentioned about mother earth, man will destroy mother earth and in turn we will be destroyed. But mother earth will continue and heal herself.

[Suvuseh]

Ive met another lady who believes we are going to leave this earth and go to a new one

I feel Yinepu that you just listened to her, but didn't ask questions. How are we going to do that would of been one of those questions I would of asked.

Are her views technically scientific or spiritual?

[Verriasana]

Oh no you guys that is so sad.

The earth and us cannot exist without each other. There are alot of changes happening within goverments now, in reducing green-house emmisions, we are learning to stop raping the earth and givce back where and when we can.

The tibetan monks arent sitting where they are and meditating just for themselves, they are helping to raise the vibrations of the earth and that of humanity.

I dont want o leave this earth, its too beautiful. We need to be active and replenish her as she replenishes us on adaily basis with food, water and all our needs.

If we begin to honour her, we are heading in the right direction.

We need to be positive, optimistic and most of all take our part in fixing the mistakes of the past and present.

Stop reading newspapers, its all doom and gloom and fear based, this helps us to stay under control, when we are in fear.

Dont watch the nightly news its worse! Murders here, blah,blah.

Stop listening to the negativity, and listen to the earth, listen to what she brings on the wind, hope love.

She has never (earth) given up on us so why should we give up on her???? Thats not fair.


wow , got a bit carried away there but its true.

[Verriasana]

I feel Yinepu that you just listened to her, but didn't ask questions. How are we going to do that would of been one of those questions I would of asked.

Are her views technically scientific or spiritual?

Your right i thought her outlook was very differnt to mine and did not question her as much as i normally would. That was mainly due to her rigidness on the subject.

I did ask her however how is that going to happen, she gave me two theories.


1 we have the spaceships come and get us.
2 we spiriually de-materialise out of this planet, and onto the next one. She belived this was going to happen very soon.

i cant see it.

but as i said in my post before this one.

Why should we give up on the earth when she has not given up on us, lets pay her back, show her the respect for looking after us, be active in helping the earth, even if it is only in meditation, send the earth your love!

Doesnt cost anything and doesnt hurt anyone

[Suvuseh]

Your right i thought her outlook was very differnt to mine and did not question her as much as i normally would. That was mainly due to her rigidness on the subject.

I did ask her however how is that going to happen, she gave me two theories.


1 we have the spaceships come and get us.
2 we spiriually de-materialise out of this planet, and onto the next one. She belived this was going to happen very soon.

i cant see it.

but as i said in my post before this one.

Why should we give up on the earth when she has not given up on us, lets pay her back, show her the respect for looking after us, be active in helping the earth, even if it is only in meditation, send the earth your love!

Doesnt cost anything and doesnt hurt anyone

Come on she has two theories, the second to me is more convincing, but I don't tend to judge other peoples theories but I do put my 2 cents in them.

Is she saying that aliens will come to help us, because as I said man presently isn't intelligent enough to pull something like that off. This will have to be sometime in the far far future in technological advances, if we reach that far.

I am with you on that man will stop being greedy and become more concerned with mother earth, if its not too late before they realize it, and that is usually the case.

[Verriasana]

Yes she belives aliens are coming to take us off this planet and on the next.

The problem with that theory is our bodies cannot withstand that sort of travel.

I dont discount the alien theory of us being here and all of that, in a sense we are all aliens.

The story of how i met her was i went to her workshop on crystalhealing.

We were supposed to learn how to do it. However, she wrote a manual. gave it to us and then read it like a book to us!!! Talk about cheek!

Anyway she was told that she is from a planet called blah blah, and she is only borrowing this earth body!

Well we could all fall into that catagory, cause our spirit, our soul does not come from the earth.

so yes i really didnt like this woman, she wasnt rude, or abrubt just too far in the clouds and needed to connect her feet into the earth.

Im not sure about america, but here in the land of Australia, we have alot of govt bodies involved in earth conservation.

we are very concious here what is and isnt being done to correct past mistakes when working with the environment.

Its exciting to be apart of healing the earth, and im proud to know that Australia is really putting its best foot forward in land conservation and fauna conservation.

Its way past its due date, but at least we have begun.

The earth is our only home for now so lets do our bit, one man cant sabe the world, it has to be a collective effort.

[LOVEBoy]

If we evolve into spiritual being and receive a call to ascend to a new place, why would that require energy other than that of our spirit and isn't that what spirit is?

Why is it sad, all things created must end at some time to be recycled into something else.

Whether you believe in the creational theory or the evololutional theory if you think about it the truth probably lies within a combination of the two. Intelligent design is evident in everything and we are constantly evolving. For what purpose? To survive and adapt and shifting to a purely spirtual being is only part of that process.

Yes SoulTraveler evil has always existed and always will. That is why I believe that we will leave this reality. Evil has to have a place to flourish and it has a strong foothold here.

Why be sad Yinepu what we might ascend to may be more beautiful that what we have. Physical existence only holds us to this plane and I for one can't wait to see why lies beyond.

Okay done my ranting for now.

[Verriasana]

Hi Raven, i was saying it was sad only to say the earth will die and we should get out of here.

Not sad about the ascension or the change or the absolute perfection of that change.

Just sad that the earth is so easily rejected, and not nurtured at least until we do leave!

[LOVEBoy]

Oh I know, it is sad, but as with all things that are created they will eventually end.

[Suvuseh]

Yes she belives aliens are coming to take us off this planet and on the next.

The problem with that theory is our bodies cannot withstand that sort of travel.

LOL Yinepu, you are a trekky, that is ok because so am I. I am sure they would be well equipped if that were to happen. I have always been interested in space travel because I astral project and have done a lot of flying around outer space. That is why I am a trekky and love anything that has to do with outer space.

[Verriasana]

Hi soultraveler, check out this link. It has amazing photos of nebulaes and stars. Its amazing what happens in the skys above, we are so oblivious to it.

http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/nebula_collection/

[Suvuseh]

Hi soultraveler, check out this link. It has amazing photos of nebulaes and stars. Its amazing what happens in the skys above, we are so oblivious to it.

http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/nebula_collection/

Thank you Yinepu, they are beautiful!

[JackTimQSR]

I heard that the earth is just going to be rebuilt after the war..never heard about aliens and us getting beamed up to another world.