[duceswild]

seems to me free will is not something you can actually abridge. you can try, but it's impossible because free will is an innate quality of existence.

when someone inflicts their will on another, free will is not being abridged, because the other has chosen freely to be treated this way. the error is in the attempt to abridge free will, because the attempt fails to recognize the oneness of all things and the love in every moment.

if you gaze at the creation about you and all you see is the creator, then it's impossible to attempt to abridge free will because everything is done with the knowledge of oneness and imbued with love.

i totally agree with you.

[DebtDetox]

when someone inflicts their will on another, free will is not being abridged, because the other has chosen freely to be treated this way.

that really all depends. people don't "choose" to be mugged, when walking down the street, or choose to have a piano fall on their head, because of clumsy movers. to say that they did choose this, is to say there is actually no crime in the world, and no accidents.

[mikefertynnz]

"that really all depends. people don't "choose" to be mugged, when walking down the street, or choose to have a piano fall on their head, because of clumsy movers. to say that they did choose this, is to say there is actually no crime in the world, and no accidents."

that's right mmariebored, there are no accidents. and no, our teeny egoic aspects of higher self that are able to portray themselves down here in 3d didn't get up in the morning and say "i think i'll get slammed with a piano today!" but all that is, is, has been, and will be already. any of us may choose whatever we want down here. won't stop the piano falling. and it won't stop "crime" because to stop that would be to interfere with free will, which you can't anyway.

there are no accidents, no crime, just all the wonderful catalyst for learning provided by the holographic illusion of criminals and accidents. so the feeling of it remains as real to us. the piano will hurt. muggings suck. but it is what we have chosen to do down here, before passing through the veil and forgetting as we enter incarnation.

and thus the veil of forgetting. if you knew it was you day to get smashed by a piano for your soul's evolution, would your ego let you, or might you try to avoid it? do you think you could have free will over your own free will? can we just choose to skip lessons?

how quick would we learn that way? this is graduate school down here, no punches pulled. bring on the pianos!

[duceswild]

that really all depends. people don't "choose" to be mugged, when walking down the street, or choose to have a piano fall on their head, because of clumsy movers. to say that they did choose this, is to say there is actually no crime in the world, and no accidents.

i believe your thoughts/vibration attract, like a magnet, events to help you progress on your spiritual path. whenever if it was scheduled by yourself before incarnation or a outburst of frustration in the moment i truly believe that in the end people do "choose", consciously or not, what happens to them. they at least agree to the event. why would there be exceptions?

free will is that powerful.
take that concept to infinity!

[AntonayPina]

@bwen &yossarian

are you shure all victims of war have chosen to be slaughtered? let me ask you one question than; why does is creates trauma's and "fear karma"?(karma basead upon fear which is holding the evolution of the self) while annimal former lifes, in which you have also been killed, not have that kind of impact.

@leo scone

in this dual 3d world there are accidents and there is crime, but from the perspective weve gotta go to it is indeed not that way. as to say in reality there is no good and there is no bad. but some of our brothers and sisters, also some part of our bigger self, are into bad things, in 3d, because their sick or frustrated or blinded by hate or simply because they wont money they commit crime. they are out of balance, in first place with theirselves. the ego is not something bad, as you suggest, it is simply on the wrong place with the system out of balance.

for the example with the piano in the last paragraph, what about the free will of that ego? if the ego is to be restricted to act in anyway, it has no free will. what happens is not determinated in a dogmatic way. if everything was determinated from before how would you make mistakes, why would you learn? we can learn things, new things, thats a sign of not beeing totally predestinated. the past has his influences but bassicly even with the most part of karma we have our free will to act with that past data and so we can infuence the future every moment of our life, creating...

if you can become one with yourself, and your self can become one with the bigger self, than you can scedule it all yourself right? the ego just has to be on the right place, next to the throne, not sitting on it, as in metatronos. the ego is the servant of the self. i agree, humanity shows another kind of behavior sometimes :d

blessings, ld.

[duceswild]

@bwen &yossarian
are you shure all victims of war have chosen to be slaughtered? let me ask you one question than; why does is creates trauma's and "fear karma"?(karma basead upon fear which is holding the evolution of the self) while annimal former lifes, in which you have also been killed, not have that kind of impact.

every other-selves have the free will to perceive events, what happens to them, in their own way. i believe karma is something that other-selves limits themselves with. i believe there is no such thing as karma unless you allow, believe in, that concept.

i do not believe in wrong or right, nor evil nor good. i believe there is no exceptions to universal law of free will. if there was then there would be no free will. if you see an exception to a law that is the limit you allow yourself to experience. victims of war have chosen to be slaughtered? yes, if they didnt then no trauma would come out of it. they would just see it as a delay to next incarnation and move on.

you cannot hold back the evolution of self. this is not a race. everything is experience. get rid of duality. spend your time focusing on what you perceive as "good" instead of "bad" if you are tired of experiencing that. but dont try to take away that experience from other-selves untill they are ready to move on. because in reality you really cant, they wont allow it, its their free will to experience it. only thing you can do is focus on what y ou perceive as "positive" and shine bright as example.

[dubballey]

ra has something good to say here:

free will does not allow, nor would predetermination disallow. rather the law of confusion offers a free reach for the energies of each mind/body/spirit complex. the verb, to allow, would be considered pejorative in that it suggests a polarity between right and wrong or allowed and not allowed.

the paradox here is that we perceive that our ego does not have full free will over everything.

the piano falls on our head, and our ego says, "i did not want that!"

what this is, however, is a very sophisticated trick of the creator.

picture this: you are god. only you exist. you are omnipotent and infinite. you decide you want to write a stageplay just like on broadway. you divide yourself and invent the concept called free will, saying each piece of yourself has free reach to experience whatever each piece wants.

it's just an illusion! there really isn't free will, because it's all just god. how can anything have free will if it's just god?

so now you have a universe with free will, and one day you are observing your universe, and you come up with the most dastardly idea. the very thought of it makes you smirk like an evil genius, like the grinch when he comes up with a plan.

you (god) decide to create a world within your world that is specifically designed to trick the inhabitants into thinking they don't have free will.

so on one hand, you created the illusion of free will. and then out of a sick sense of humour, within that illusion, you created an illusion of the lack of free will.

so now you have humans on earth who don't believe they have free will, and yet they really do since they exist in an illusion where free will is the supreme law. and yet they really don't because that law itself is ultimately just illusion!

how devious! how wicked!

god laughed long and hard when he came up with that trick. and then he divided himself up into smaller parts and sent those smaller parts into the little house of mirrors to see what would happen. he really is just a kid playing with anthills isn't he?

[DebtDetox]

i believe your thoughts/vibration attract, like a magnet, events to help you progress on your spiritual path.

i agree with this concept, to a certain extent. because we all have this free will, all of our free wills can effect each other's free will. to say that your own free will is the only one effecting what happens to you via other people, is to say you control other people's free will, which is negative.

whenever if it was scheduled by yourself before incarnation or a outburst of frustration in the moment i truly believe that in the end people do "choose", consciously or not, what happens to them. they at least agree to the event. why would there be exceptions? there's no actual proof of that concept, and it disrupts some rules that can't be ignored. some flaws in the logic.

if we were all to believe that every crime we commit on another person was "agreed upon" by them, there should be no repercussions for crimes committed. no bad karma for us because we were just fulfilling someone's destiny with every action we do. no right or wrong, no good or bad. nothing to improve on the planet, everything is already fixed. no contracts need be made with anyone, if there's any 'breech', it was in their destiny to be ripped off. i would say there are many "exceptions" to that concept.

life is about experience, and we do choose some things in our paths, but the balance of the universe would be offset if everyone chose everything and nothing was chosen for them. everything would eventually be run like a machine and nothing would be left for chance.

[freflellalafe]

how quick would we learn that way? this is graduate school down here, no punches pulled. bring on the pianos!

im sensing a question arising, so i want to address it (your post reminds me of this). ill leave the question unsaid, but the answer is that none of us choose to have a piano fall on our heads for no reason. there are two of us, our higher self which you could say is our future self, and our present self.

somehow in the nature of everything, they coexist even when they contradict we are guided by our higher self, but also by ourselves. when we die and we go to our next life, the question is do we merge with our higher self, or is our higher self still floating in a higher dimension.
if we dont merge, then its quite possible that our present self can stop and make the choice before the next life, of what will happen in the next life. or our higher self can pre-do it for us so we just zip through to the next body. some people go straight to another form immediately, not intermediate time above... i really believe the light at the end of the tunnel is birth.
regardless of which part of us chooses, though, i do think this is what happens... we are given a set of options... for every action there is a response. we are perhaps presented with the choice that, a) we could reincarnate and live to a ripe old age, never having spiritual growth in that one lifetime... or very slow growth... or we could choose option b) we can be given a life where the lesson we will learn will be massive to our spiritual growth, but the consequence of this is that a piano will fall on the top of our head.

its very frequently said how the people that are taken from us suddenly, it was like they were wise beyond their years. they were always the ones to help others out and put others before them. this to me signifies they chose option b.

are you shure all victims of war have chosen to be slaughtered?

no one of us can truly be sure of anything... but just as we can say how can all of them have chosen that path, how can we say they havent? its very much possible they have, and because they have, they were born into a life that put them in that position.

at the same time though, we are protected to an extent of our free will and its quite possible that a higher d negative could come and try and influence us. so we may not have chosen that piano to fall on our head, but in agreement with you, due to an outside negative force we find ourselves walking underneath it just as it hits. it wasnt pre-planned, our free will can change those plans (so really plans are guided) but you know... and yet...we still made the choice to walk down that street that day. to run 5 minutes late.
or to live (or continue living) in a place where its quite possible we could be slaughtered. we make these choices without perhaps realizing the consequences.
when we ignore our instincts, which are whispers of guidance from our higher selves, we choose to listen or ignore. for example...9/11 there were reports of people who had this happen, and because they listened, they are alive today.

its like the road analogy i was mentioning earlier... we hit a fork in the road, and sometimes its a subtle fork, like choosing to sleep in and be late that 15 minutes... and yet one of the paths can ultimately lead to an abrupt end. such as being on time and walking underneath a falling piano.

of course, this is imho


yossarian.... lol, theeeeee grinch! lol god is indeed, jim carrey.

[AntonayPina]

@bwen

"victims of war have chosen to be slaughtered? yes, if they didnt then no trauma would come out of it. they would just see it as a delay to next incarnation and move on." how can one speak of a choice if there is no consciousness in it? it seems like ego has no counciousness, and self knows it all, so self can interact in a way it would not respect the free will of the ego. as i said predestination is a possibility, but not a solid absolute law.(it is used when it has function) so to me it's not right to say that al 6miljon jews choosed to go to the concentration camps. some of them may choosed it as an experence to learn from, but others of them where bruttaly disturbed in their program of learning of self.

if i see im going to do something which i may damage others free will with, i will not do that action. like ra says "free will does not allow," rape, murder, molestation, etc. (not that i want to do these things)

@yossarian

"picture this: you are god. only you exist. you are omnipotent and infinite. you decide you want to write a stageplay just like on broadway. you divide yourself and invent the concept called free will, saying each piece of yourself has free reach to experience whatever each piece wants." dividing was the risk of the experiment, the one knew that some of this parts would reject him. so he placed them in systems, and when the system becomes aware, counscious of it's self, the system takes all that parts with it in this awarenes, so by a human becoming one with the one again, al parts of the human system are participating the process. (woman can use "her" refering to the one)

"god laughed long and hard when he came up with that trick. and then he divided himself up into smaller parts and sent those smaller parts into the little house of mirrors to see what would happen. he really is just a kid playing with anthills isn't he?" i do not think the one is laughing now with us, the reason were placed here is to see trough duality, i believe the one wants us to do it ourselves. only by doing this ourselves, free choice, we can become one again.

@aqcheryl

"at the same time though, we are protected to an extent of our free will and its quite possible that a higher d negative could come and try and influence us. so we may not have chosen that piano to fall on our head, but in agreement with you, due to an outside negative force we find ourselves walking underneath it just as it hits. it wasnt pre-planned, our free will can change those plans (so really plans are guided) but you know... and yet...we still made the choice to walk down that street that day. to run 5 minutes late." you are correct that this is a more complex system which we need to look at in colors, not in black and white. in theory the variaties of human life are infinit. so on the path we walk everything is involved from negativ 4d entities till higher self till the taste of eating things. but why should we not know how to handle things, to get the balance, also with 4d negative as with the preparation of food. everything is a matter of knowing how to do it. so in this case knowledge is the key to know how you can defend yourself against evil spirits, to know how to bring the ego back in balance with the self, to know how to deal with something as free choice/will.

general; some questions are not serving evolution. in this case i choose for myself to ask myself what would you have done instead of cristicising the choices others make. what would you do with your free will. imagine situations, and try to feel your inner emotions. try to visualise yourself raping or killing somebody, try to visualise yourself then as the victim. try to feel you inner emotions in the agressor role and those in the victim role. it's not easy, look at the good actors from the movies who really suffer damage from playing their roles, so dont force yourself to see more as you can handle, even it is in your imagination. my conclusion is, ok thank you boss(the one) it's nice you gave me and all the others free will, but the others are another me, so i choose not to use my free will when it can damage the free will of others.(other= other me, in fact it's just logical, in fact im saying i will not use my free will to damage my"self" with, the other me's are also part of that bigger self) this is the wisdom of the one. the one does not interfear with us when it can damage our free will.

blessings, ld.

[TagBahthuff]

if i see im going to do something which i may damage others free will with, i will not do that action. like ra says "free will does not allow," rape, murder, molestation, etc. (not that i want to do these things)

hmz, i was wondering if the bold/underlined was really something ra said... so i went to look it up and i think perhaps this part of the channeling has become a little distorted, since the original context has become somewhat lost by posting such a small part of it and because a personal interpretation (and thus "new context") was added...

it's of course ok to disagree with me on this, but for clarity, i did put a little more of the original channeling below and the url to the rest of that session:

questioner: i will make another statement. the mind/body/spirit complex may choose, because of the first distortion, the mental configuration that is sufficiently displaced from the configuration of the intelligent energy in a particular frequency or color of in-streaming energy so as to block a portion of instreaming energy in that particular frequency or color. is this correct?
ra: i am ra. yes.

questioner: can you give me an idea of the maximum percentage of this energy it is possible to block in any one color?
ra: i am ra. there may be, in an entity’s pattern of in-streaming energy, a complete blockage in any energy or color or combination of energies or colors.

questioner: ok. then i assume that the first distortion is the motivator or what allows this blockage. is this correct?
ra: i am ra. we wish no quibbling but prefer to avoid the use of terms such as the verb, to allow. free will does not allow, nor would predetermination disallow, experiential distortions. rather the law of confusion offers a free reach for the energies of each mind/body/spirit complex. the verb, to allow, would be considered pejorative in that it suggests a polarity between right and wrong or allowed and not allowed. this may seem a minuscule point. however, to our best way of thinking it bears some weight.
url: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=54

now back to the point. i don't completely agree with you, that that part of the ra channeling is to be interpreted as such, that things like rape and others (wich we perceive as being negative) are "not allowed". in session 53 there is an interesting piece of information regarding this. it is about the "contacting" of 3d's by higher density beings, so not completely in line with the previous, but useful none the less in my opinion. mind the underlined:

questioner: [... ] can you tell me of the various techniques used by the service-to-others positively oriented confederation contacts with the people of this planet, the various forms and techniques of making contact?
ra: i am ra. we could.

questioner: would you do this please?
ra: i am ra. the most efficient mode of contact is that which you experience at this space/time. the infringement upon free will is greatly undesired. therefore, those entities which are wanderers upon your plane of illusion will be the only subjects for the thought projections which make up the so-called ‘close encounters’ and meetings between positively oriented social memory complexes and wanderers.
url: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=53

it says that an "infringement upon free will" is "greatly undesired". it does not say "it is not allowed". i keep in mind when using this part of the ra channelings, that most of us on this forum, are trying to become positively oriented beings and are tyring to follow the logos of our creator/solar system. so, in this line of "evolution", we will most likely try to identify with the rules of engagement for "positively oriented beings". so yes, i guess it is logical than that we see infringements upon free will are "greatly undesired".

since we try to live by the law of one as well, and are trying to see other selves as our own self, it becomes logical that we might fall into judgement of other selves that choose negative paths as we see these paths as "greatly undesirable" because they infringe upon free will... it's a tricky thing that free will law (at least i think it is )... and i believe it's very easy to go from "greatly undesireble" to "not allowed" in our minds, just because "we wouldn't do it ourselves and it is very very undesirable" ! it doesn't make it right though, but i have done it too and most likely will make that mistake again in the future, but i keep on learning.

when i do go down that road again, at some point i just try to keep in mind that i believe that we (negatives and positives and inbetweensies alike) are here in 3rd density to learn the "beginnings" of free will and the law of one amongst others?

in this perspective, i remind myself that having examples around of how we (positive orientation seekers & inbetweensies) do not want to do it, is indeed very valueble to our own polarisation, meaning:
how would we be able, to place ourselves in "victims" shoes and "agressors" shoes, and "recognize" parts of our selves in those other selves, if there were no victims/agressors , because they were not "allowed" ?

side-note: i apologize for the duality and group making (negatives, positives, inbetweensies) in my post, but it was the only way (for me anyway) to try and write something that made sense after i was done writing it. in the light of "the law of one", i realize that making such distinctions as neg, pos, etc isn't completely accurate

[DebtDetox]

how would we be able to place ourselves in "victims" shoes and "agressors" shoes, and "recognize" parts of our selves in those other selves, if there were no victims/agressors , because they were not "allowed" ?

why is it important to know about those levels of negative behaviors in the first place? correct me if i'm wrong, please, but it seems like you're saying these negative things should be allowed for our learning experience.

in the loo perspective, meaning in the mentality that everyone here is another version of you("one"), saying that we need these experiences is like saying, "hmm, i think i'll beat myself up today."
why?
why do we even need that experience? what will come of it all in the end, if we're only going to meld back into the creator and forget everything anyway?

i understand that a little rain makes us appreciate a sunny day, but i see no possible good vibes coming from the knowledge of mass slaughters and abuses of innocents.

[TagBahthuff]

why is it important to know about those levels of negative behaviors in the first place? correct me if i'm wrong, please, but it seems like you're saying these negative things should be allowed for our learning experience.

as far as i understand it, it is because of the law of one that certain distortions had to be allowed. it is not because you or i don't see "the use" of it, that there is no use. instead of judging this, i choose to try and accept the fact that these distortions exist and that they came into existence for a good reason. my main goal here personally is to still try to see the other as my own self, even if they are doing things, i choose not to do. and even if i personally do not condone these actions and do not approve of them, it is not up to me to judge them.

in the loo perspective, meaning in the mentality that everyone here is another version of you("one"), saying that we need these experiences is like saying, "hmm, i think i'll beat myself up today." why? why do we even need that experience? what will come of it all in the end, if we're only going to meld back into the creator and forget everything anyway?

aren't we here as extensions of our one creator to which we all want to return ? so aren't we here to "experience everything" ? who are we to judge what our one creator is to experience or isn't to experience ? who are we to say that those things are not of use because we as "little ego's" are just going to forget anyway ? as i see it, it's not about us as seperated beings, but about us as a whole. and i personally cannot think in this "whole" yet, since i am not at that level. all i can do is integrate what i see around me in where i am now and in who i am now. and not judge, for i obviously do not have the "level of density" and thus the light/love/wisdom necesery to do so.

on top of that, a lot of us, just live this way. we live in a certain level of "i'll beat myself up", by for example feeling inferior on any level or not accepting who we are on some level is also "beating ourselves" up, just a different expression of it. we call these "beating ourselves up" things, "blockages" in the esotherism and we work to understand these as to further accept ourselves and learn. i will not judge that this is not useful, nor will i judge that more extreme forms of beating ourselves up are not useful.

i understand that a little rain makes us appreciate a sunny day, but i see no possible good vibes coming from the knowledge of mass slaughters and abuses of innocents.

i understand that you see no possible good vibes coming from the knowledge of mass slaugthers and abuse, as i explained above, it is logical for us not to see a use since we personify ourselves with the "positive orientation" and obviously find these things "greatly undesired". but it's not because we find them greatly undersired, that they offer no level of learning to other parts of our oneness. and that it holds no level of learning for the level of the one creator to which we all strive to rejoin. i still do not condone these actions of negatively oriented seekers, but they exist, they are here, all i can do is accept them and try to learn certain things from them: as in "not wanting to go down the same road", not judging, really accepting the other as a part of me even if this part hurts ouselves, etc

[AntonayPina]

@kreecher

now back to the point. i don't completely agree with you, that that part of the ra channeling is to be interpreted as such, that things like rape and others (wich we perceive as being negative) are "not allowed". by saying "free will does not allow, ...." you don't say the same thing as "it's not allowed". in the first frase there is a verb, doing, which is related with the free will, in the second frase free will is not even mentioned. i believe ra ment to say that free will doesn't give you the right to damage others. the fact there are negative things is part of the learning proces in which the "how should i deal with free will" is an important issue. in that process there has to be some sort of manouvering space so that you can make mistakes to learn from. so this system doesnt gives you the right to do wrong, it gives you the right to make mistakes to learn from.(which is not the same in my opinion)

it says that an "infringement upon free will" is "greatly undesired". it does not say "it is not allowed". that is correct.

@mmariebored

in the loo perspective, meaning in the mentality that everyone here is another version of you("one"), saying that we need these experiences is like saying, "hmm, i think i'll beat myself up today." from a personal view i agree with you. to me ist seems also very absurd to damage your other me's. but to make that conclusion you had to make some mistakes, you had to gether experiences and knowledge, of both sides to finnaly make this conclusion. so others are still walking on the path, they need experiences and knowledge to make their conclusions. i believe you have to respect the fact that the other me's are all going there path in their tempo, and they need the manouvering space to make mistakes to learn from.

blessings, ld.

[DebtDetox]

i still do not condone these actions of negatively oriented seekers, but they exist, they are here, all i can do is accept them and try to learn certain things from them: as in "not wanting to go down the same road", not judging, really accepting the other as a part of me even if this part hurts ouselves, etc

there are grey areas when it comes to "accepting" actions, especially if it's an action known to become worse and worse if it isn't prevented.

for example, the actions of an arsonist. if no one "judged" his actions and "allowed" him to continue, until he set the whole earth ablaze, all of our free will will become imposed upon, because we decided to just "accept" his actions. we don't have to judge the man himself in order to prevent our own demise. to call him a "negatively oriented seeker" is more of a judgement than preventing his negative actions.

@mmariebored
from a personal view i agree with you. to me ist seems also very absurd to damage your other me's. but to make that conclusion you had to make some mistakes, you had to gether experiences and knowledge, of both sides to finnaly make this conclusion. so others are still walking on the path, they need experiences and knowledge to make their conclusions. i believe you have to respect the fact that the other me's are all going there path in their tempo, and they need the manouvering space to make mistakes to learn from.

i agree with you.

[TagBahthuff]

[ ... ] that is correct. [ ... ]

@lorddragon: well then, i must say that i fully agree with ra when he stated "ra: i am ra. we wish no quibbling but prefer to avoid the use of terms such as the verb, to allow." because of the use of the word "allow", i misinterpreted what you apparantly meant and have clarified in the next post. even though i obviously did interpret what ra said the same way you did (see quote above and previous posts).

we don't have to judge the man himself in order to prevent our own demise. to call him a "negatively oriented seeker" is more of a judgement than preventing his negative actions.

@mmariebored: maybe it's a character flaw that i chose not to do so, but apparantly for clarity i should have repeated myself ->

side-note: i apologize for the duality and group making (negatives, positives, inbetweensies) in my post, but it was the only way (for me anyway) to try and write something that made sense after i was done writing it. in the light of "the law of one", i realize that making such distinctions as neg, pos, etc isn't completely accurate

[freflellalafe]

dividing was the risk of the experiment, the one knew that some of this parts would reject him.

yes, free will gives us this choice.

since we try to live by the law of one as well, and are trying to see other selves as our own self, it becomes logical that we might fall into judgement of other selves that choose negative paths as we see these paths as "greatly undesirable" because they infringe upon free will..

this is an issue i find having a continuous battle with. i completely agree, i do my best to live by law of one, and not usurping others free will - but i find it hard to consolidate that just because im doing so, that it means its target season. to explain - where i live, im surrounded by people who consistently separate themselves from the one, by seeing themselves as a culture - and anyone not part of their culture they mistreat. my neighbors (its more than one household) consistently play very loud music. if you look up noise pollution on wikipedia, and look at the symptoms - i have dealt with all of them. they play it so loud that even if they turn it up low but i can still hear it, it instills fear, and i cant function or think. i long since moved from the feeling of aggression and anger, and now fight with the hopelessness when it happens, because its a violation of my own free will to have peace. i continuously work hard to send them love in return, and to fight the fear that comes to me, but it doesnt stop the violation.

im sure others deal with similar scenarios even if the situation is different - where they deal with their own free will being abridged. so the question is what can we do? does ra define how we can protect our own selves from negatives and their actions, when all other things weve tried (even befriending or getting out of that environment) doesnt work?

[freflellalafe]

today is a day to read more for me, as i have time... hehe and talk about synchronicity. just as this thread really starts delving into free will being abridged, i read this:

making the grade to 'fourth density' in 2011-2013


furthermore, these lives become more and more interesting as you travel into the future and advance through the basic grades. right now, earth is moving into the next grade.

[this grade, or level, is called "fourth-density" in the law of one series, a phrase that was coined years before other channelers borrowed the same lingo without crediting the original source.]

whether you 'get it' or not, this event is coming… and an ever-increasing body of evidence supports statements in the law of one series that 2011-2013 is the turning point for when this literal reality shift will take place. it is said to be a worldwide hyperdimensional event most people could never even begin to imagine, since it is so far outside the 'box' of what they already know is 'real'.

[the phenomenon of interplanetary climate change is one of the strongest physical indicators that a huge energetic surge is, in fact, getting ready to happen — and i will soon have a page on this site that goes into the most concise synopsis of "the case" yet. once you see how the same energy affects physical matter, and living entities, and the level of spiritual vibration and / or soul evolution, it becomes clear how an apparently uncorrelated physical event like an interplanetary climate shift could also be having an effect on many other levels we think of as spiritual.]


all you have to do, in order to qualify for life on earth in 4d, is love people. consistently. that's it.

if you want to get technical, and split hairs, then you need to be just slightly above 50 percent more interested in serving and helping others (love) than in manipulating and deceiving them for your own gain (control).

how many times each day do you think about others, rather than putting your own needs first, at their expense? wouldn't it be a shame if you were so focused on making money… the law of attraction, applied towards the satisfaction of your physical desires… that you missed out on a much greater opportunity? namely, to escape the mill of 3d reincarnation and graduate from this difficult classroom you keep being born into?

[many people do get trapped in the material, accrue karma, and then require some very difficult lifetimes to try to re-balance themselves before the cycle ends. hence you have large bodies of population you can incarnate into where you can have a very hard life and quickly burn off huge burdens of karma, which you probably accrued in the first place by manipulating, deceiving and controlling others for your own gain.

this is one way in which "bad things happen to good people", and why there is "wrong in the world". this absolutely does not make it 'right' to oppress people, though — you will still be accountable for any time you infringe on the free will of others.]

i think this would apply as davids answer to several of the questions brought up, such as the discussion about why people walk under pianos, or are raped or such (i.e. bad things happen to good people). we discussed pre-planned reasons, lessons to learn, but we also forgot about karma being another reason.
it is the universal way of holding us accountable for infringing on free will.

[zlopikanikanz]

i agree, excellent video! after doing all of this research it has made me hate everything about society and the government because you never know what to believe. this video shows you the only truth it that which is inside of yourself

be careful not to hate others just because they have a different perspective than we do. they have the right of free will to control and manipulate those that choose to be controlled and manipulated. all information is good information, as we can learn as much from lies and half truths as we can from complete truth. it all depends on what perspective you want to take.

you are absolutely correct when you say the truth is what is inside ourselves. we create our reality, which is the emotions we focus on. the more we focus on love and truth and less on hate and fear, the closer we come to the sto path.

[joe-salton]

infinite possibilities means that there are infinite possibilities and whatever you do (get killed etc) there is a other reality where you stay alive. only true thing is ra material.

[a little strong zajat, but the loyalty is appreciated please understand this is a philosophy of living-mods ]