[Thifiadardivy]

liam, you got all my love and sympathy!

i have lived two and half years in this country, first in scotland, and after "walking" from land's end back to scotland we settled in wales,

and never in my life have i met so so stupid and (dangerously) ignorant masses than in this country. it hurts!

( people even shout at each other when meeting " are you ok ?" like asking, do you still have some senses left after all that pork eating, drinking and stupifing tv programms. sorry, i have to bite my tongue even harder.)

and then you find all those ancient sacred sites in this country, standing stones in ley/grid lines, stones circles like avebury, white chalk horses etc.
which clearly tell about "great spiritually aware times" when unicorns were reality, knowledge of atlantis was known, portals to spacetravel were open.

scotland (especially western highland) has still "green men", unsdisturbed (magical fairy) forests and rivers, wales, cornwall have some most inspiring coast line, but the middle england is like black hole where the ley/grid lines were distorded.

( hmm..i talked to some men in avebury who are photographing the cropcircles, and i wonder if any of them are real, but anyhow, are the cropcircles like "helping us to restore the leylines" bringing the energy higher?)

and then you learnt that even david is coming to london in the late october.
i cannot help wondering myself what kind of people he is drawing to that meeting as people here who call themselves "spiritual" are only interested in
communicating with "dead ones", or taking part on "witchery".

~anne

[juspimoubbodo]

hi anne, i agree with some of the things that you've said about british people. i think the problems are far worse in the big cities of the north and the midlands- i've always found manchester, liverpool, sheffield, leeds and birmingham particularly depressing. in scotland i'd say glasgow is pretty similar. this is of course the region where the industrial revolution started- manchester was the first industrial city in the world of its kind, and it would have been pretty close to hell on earth in the middle of the 19th century. it just makes me wonder whether the outlook on life from that time has been passed down through the generations. i was thinking before about h.l mecken's quote about love being the 'triumph of imagination over intelligence'. one thing i've noticed is that people in the north of england and the midlands are often very cynical in their nature. there is often no room in their lives for imagination. they don't dream about perfection. or if they did, to share their ideas with others would be showing weakness. they think that to live here you have to be gritty and hard and just get on with life, without expressing too much emotion. it's as if they feel it's weak to love themselves and others, or at least to show this. the north of england was always the powerhouse of the british economy, particularly in the 19th century and it's always been poorer than the south. it's as if the elite intentionally kept the north poor to keep the people slaving away and the machinery going while fat cats in london reaped the benefits.

i don't think this is true of all areas of the country. i was in oxford the other week and that city is certainly more welcoming to the 'dreamers'. yes there is a great deal of snobbery there with the wealth and materialism and high levels of academic intelligence but it was a place where i felt i wasn't as restricted as feel here. the smaller towns and cities further south tend to be more inviting to me. the more rural areas of the country are also a lot more relaxed and people have a more uplifting attitude to life. the wiltshire region where the majority of crop circles appear and stonehenge, avebury etc are located is fascinating to me. for such a small country the uk is beautiful in terms of scenery and the landscape is incredibly varied. i think you may be being a bit cynical about david's conference- there are many spiritually aware people in this country (finding them isn't easy though!) and i'm sure there will be plenty at the london conference. don't forget that london is very accessible for people all over europe, so they won't necessarily just be from the uk.

[Dumpishchaism]

i have been having the feeling of just getting up and leave this town. after being more aware there is times i wish i wasn't. i keep questioning myself of what am i doing here i need to move to a more enlighten area. its seems so dark here, but on the other hand i realize that there is a reason i am here in this depressing town. if you look there is few enlighten people that i have ran into and its almost an instant that you recognize them. what a relief that is to see someone in person who does still have concern of our world and cares. this is what makes me stay. i always thought about preparing and wondering it its really worth it, but the problem is i can't leave to save just myself or my kids. i am sure this has crossed many times before with others and even though this is a rough world we chose to be here to help those who want it.

keeping a smile on our face helps alot i think even those who look away thats ok.

[Thifiadardivy]

[quote= .. i was thinking before about h.l mecken's quote about love being the 'triumph of imagination over intelligence'. ]

it was again most horrible day, rainy, grey and windy, so cold that i had to put my winter wools on, and watch all day bridehead revisited. reading your post returned the smile back on my face ~ thank you.

yes, glasgow is most dreadful place, like timetravel back to 19th century dickens' novel. ( we spent there our first night in scotland after arriving in manchester two days after my son's 11th birthday like harry potter.)

my children fell in love with oxford during the summer 2007 when we were camping around the town for few weeks.( i lived near oxford few months back in 1985) there is certain intellectual light, openmindness in that town, something that i have missed since returning to europe after spending three years living next town to cambridge, in boston, ma.

"love is triump of imagination over intelligence", brilliantly said.

if you have love in your heart... you go, without asking too many intellectual questions, no doubing like "is that clever thing to do or not".

when you look back on this thread you see that many people find it difficult to "meet people", my problem has been otherwise. i have met too many.

i love them all, and i love their stories, but i cannot keep them as "friends".(i
just hate writing, and talking on a phone, and time changes...)

this has been the only summer for five years that i haven't (yet) taken my children for an adventure. usually we buy the cheapest tickets to known destination (france, italy, uk) and just start walking! easy as that. when we get tired of walking we hitch hike, (or people just offer a lift). we have met lots of all kind of people with most inspiring lifestories, or lifelessons to be learned. some has been like friends from past or parallel lives, taking us to places which seemed to hold spiritual significance for us.

i wonder is it easier to talk to a completely stranger as there is no judgement, or need further explain oneself ? or is it just me? that i do not take myself too seriously? ~anne

[Thifiadardivy]

[quote=. i think you may be being a bit cynical about david's conference- there are many spiritually aware people in this country (finding them isn't easy though!) and i'm sure there will be plenty at the london conference. /quote]

liam, thank you for pointing it out, yes, i might be getting little cynical about meeting "spiritual people", as most people (usually women) ask most irritating questions like "are you in it ?" in what ? they mean spiritual stuff, ufos and so, like some kind of "hobby". or they give me two hour lectures of their own "mystical" experiences and being a kind person i just cannot run away.

what is it then that i am looking for ? to meet someone who is not looking for ufos to land, or dwell deep in goverment conpiracy theories or so, or wait alien to save or kill us. but wants honestly answers to same kind of question that i cannot really but on words ?

i tell some background.
i have thirty years read, studied parapsychological and psychological books,
metaphysics, read hundred of webpages etc ...worked even few months as a young adult in terminal department in hospital to see "how we die" and in mental hospital as a cleaner to see "how the mind works" or what is the real difference between "the real crazy ones " and "normal ones". and i have had quite a life.

i have always known that i am not "from here". even my ex husband (divorced nine years ago) gave up forcing me to be "normal" (harness my talents and mental skills for money making! ) althought he kind of made me promise that i put my "ufostuff " to rest until my children are older, and now they are. (this may sound very funny but my ex- husband was really scared that my second child would be and look like " an alien". he was so happy when he saw the new born had normal human body. although he had heartfailure and umbilical cord twice around his neck.)

around seven six years ago i started to see that dream of meeting with "aliens" , flying to the spacecraft etc. when being little girl.
and when i happened to call my biological mother and told about the dream, she was most surpirised that i did not remember that we had "ufo incident " on our summercottage. it was reported on newspapers and even on "ufo" programms back in early 1970's. local police was investigating etc .and i met my first american who came to interview my mother with an interpreter.
and most surprisingly i have started to remember more,

but mind can play tricks with us. and there is forces (like in the game movie) that may not like us to find the truth too easily, see through the illusions.

so, it might be that after all " not wanting to meet anyone ", i am kind of ready to see " if there is anyone else playing the same game" .

~anne

[zzbust]

i know how you feel about not really knowing anyone. i've been learning all of these new things about how the universe really works and how we live in an amazing galaxy filled with other people. but i feel very isolated and cut off, because i can't even talk to those who are very close to me about things like this. none of them are open to it.

seeing all the people that write on this forum and go to the conferences (i've only seen videos), i know i'm not alone in my beliefs but it is very easy to feel that way.

[Thifiadardivy]

after all that i did not go to london for the conference.

so, instead, i invited two members from this "divine cosmos discussion forum" over for brunch last sunday, the 1st of november.

as i had read many post by these (or this) members, i was sure that we all would get on well.
but, when i and my children actually met these members we noticed that his posts had only been able to hint of the his deep, sincere, commitment to be "for service",
for this planet, humanity, - others.

he is very wise man, kind, intelligent and honest to the core of his being. he has a rare gift to make everybody feel good about themselves, his light uncovers the best in everyone.

some, not that spiritually advanced, may take his honesty, "rude" or "judgemental",
but i can assure anyone that is not his intention. he just tells and says things as they are.

he brought us some organic eggs, as he had rescued chickens. i did not have a heart to say that we do not actually eat eggs. so, now i have been baking for few days pancakes, dorset apple cakes...and the children are happy, as we had never before had so "happy eggs" for baking. thank you.

and now, divine cosmos has served it's purpose for me, as i got real friends,
thank you all ! and thank you matthew and dave !

anne

[Sawyer]

[quote=annecat;50417]

it was again most horrible day, rainy, grey and windy, so cold that i had to put my winter wools on, and watch all day bridehead revisited. reading your post returned the smile back on my face ~ thank you.

yes, glasgow is most dreadful place, like timetravel back to 19th century dickens' novel. ( we spent there our first night in scotland after arriving in manchester two days after my son's 11th birthday like harry potter.)

my children fell in love with oxford during the summer 2007 when we were camping around the town for few weeks.( i lived near oxford few months back in 1985) there is certain intellectual light, openmindness in that town, something that i have missed since returning to europe after spending three years living next town to cambridge, in boston, ma.

"love is triump of imagination over intelligence", brilliantly said.

if you have love in your heart... you go, without asking too many intellectual questions, no doubing like "is that clever thing to do or not".

when you look back on this thread you see that many people find it difficult to "meet people", my problem has been otherwise. i have met too many.

i love them all, and i love their stories, but i cannot keep them as "friends".(i
just hate writing, and talking on a phone, and time changes...)

this has been the only summer for five years that i haven't (yet) taken my children for an adventure. usually we buy the cheapest tickets to known destination (france, italy, uk) and just start walking! easy as that. when we get tired of walking we hitch hike, (or people just offer a lift). we have met lots of all kind of people with most inspiring lifestories, or lifelessons to be learned. some has been like friends from past or parallel lives, taking us to places which seemed to hold spiritual significance for us.

i wonder is it easier to talk to a completely stranger as there is no judgement, or need further explain oneself ? or is it just me? that i do not take myself too seriously? ~anne

"intelligence is the triumph over the mood swings of love."

-me

[juspimoubbodo]

1:11 on that anne (how appropriate), and i agree completely with what you're saying about matthew and dave! i met them at the conference and they really were great company. matt is very easy to talk to and it felt like i had known him for a long time. he's certainly a very caring and sincere individual. and he definitely made me feel good about myself. i'm really glad that your meeting went so well!

liam

[Cogebrego]

hiya anne and liam,

i have debated whether to respond by posting here regarding your very kind and uplifting posts about me and dave.

the only thing that made my mind up to reply was that a thank you costs nothing and means everything.

i asked the universe a few weeks ago for more contact with spiritually like minded people.

well i certainly got what i asked for and i just want to share with others my findings of you both.

anne - we also enjoyed spending time with you and your wonderful children. your attitude to life is both uplifting and encouraging. you took us into your home and we all took each other into our hearts. thank you again so much for a lovely day. sorry you did not have the heart to say you dont eat eggs lol! actually you could of and we would not have been offended in anyway, particularly as we could have sold them for a pound!

liam - i am so pleased you emailed me. i know it is hard for you because you are a bit on your own in your journey, but i ask you to stick with it. you know where we are should you want some support and encouragement. you are so young but such an old, wise and caring soul. i know i have told you that before but hey, repetition for emphases.

i would say god bless you both but i know he already has done.

love, light and more love to you,

matt

[Thifiadardivy]

what was i thinking of, stupid me, we loved the eggs...i was kind of trying to say that we do not always know what we actually like, need..or what is good for us.
so, as we all three are feeling a little cold, (no swine flu here, please) the baking had cheered us up. (i buy eggs only once or twice a year to bake something extra special that i cannot bake without eggs.)

and, i find it most important "in these changing times" to meet people face to face,
even form some kind of "action or survivor groups", as who knows what the end of november, and the end of this year will bring. hold on to your our hats, and find someone to hold on to, as you will need friends, even i, who will most likely relocate myself very soon.

be well,
anne

[NEWyear]

i live in colorado and am fairly young, and spent a good part of the last three years wandering and trying to find myself. i've explored a lot of alternative healing, david's site, other sites, and so on. what surprises me is how infrequently i actually run into other people with whom i share any sort of spiritual connection. it seems like people are either much older than me, much younger, or completely uninterested. i even go to college and most people there are uninterested in meeting people, being more concerned with their studies. i would think this is a time for soul mates and soul groups to be coming together - apparently this is not the case?

i was on lisa renee's radio show one time, and she said to me, "you know i'm getting that there's almost nobody in your age group where you live." she was right - aside from one friend i have from high school (who is my age) and an acupuncturist (who is much older), i really don't know anybody here. and i've lived here for more than ten years! however, when i went to germany i met some bright souls in the youth hostel with whom i felt a fairly strong connection with, even though i only saw them for a day and even though we discussed worldly things instead of spiritual things.

i'm curious to know if this isn't my own fault (i.e. i don't get out enough to meet people) or if it's a social problem among young people in general, or if divine timing just isn't working that way, as the universe wants me sequestered for some reason. maybe isolation is part of an overall ego-dismantling process? i'm also wondering if anyone else is feeling that way, asking themselves, "i'm smart and attractive. where is everyone?" where have your paths taken you in terms of meeting people?

[Sawyer]

\i'm curious to know if this isn't my own fault (i.e. i don't get out enough to meet people) or if it's a social problem among young people in general, or if divine timing just isn't working that way, as the universe wants me sequestered for some reason. maybe isolation is part of an overall ego-dismantling process? i'm also wondering if anyone else is feeling that way, asking themselves, "i'm smart and attractive. where is everyone?" where have your paths taken you in terms of meeting people?

well... i don't think it is your fault for sure. but i think you are a very affluent guy who needs to live in a place that is as affluent as you. meaning having the same level of sophistication. in my experiences traveling i find that different areas have big differences in the levels of depth of people that live there.

and there are parts of europe that are just as thick skulled as here so don't buy into this bit that europeans are smarter than americans.

such as i found every city has its own personality and you need to find the one that matches you. i have lived in san fran, philly, pittsburgh, dc, baltimore, new york, fort lauderdale, plus other travels through america and europe.

and each one of these places on earth has its own character and personality just like ppl do.

so i say travel and find where you feel like it works for you.

new york has been so fascinating for me to meet the most interesting people i have ever met. but at the same time is is a challenging city to live in.

and a side note... i found that sf and ny are like opposites. both of them are awesome but could not be more different. ny is like the agressive male and sf is like the gentle female.

so that is my two cents.

[MaickiP]

i live in colorado and am fairly young, and spent a good part of the last three years wandering and trying to find myself. i've explored a lot of alternative healing, david's site, other sites, and so on. what surprises me is how infrequently i actually run into other people with whom i share any sort of spiritual connection. it seems like people are either much older than me, much younger, or completely uninterested. i even go to college and most people there are uninterested in meeting people, being more concerned with their studies. i would think this is a time for soul mates and soul groups to be coming together - apparently this is not the case?

i'm curious to know if this isn't my own fault (i.e. i don't get out enough to meet people) or if it's a social problem among young people in general, or if divine timing just isn't working that way, as the universe wants me sequestered for some reason. maybe isolation is part of an overall ego-dismantling process? i'm also wondering if anyone else is feeling that way, asking themselves, "i'm smart and attractive. where is everyone?" where have your paths taken you in terms of meeting people?

just wanted to say i feel the same way and i've been pondering this for a while now. the last 5 years or so especially i've been doing a lot of wandering, searching, studying, etc. and in that same time period i have been without a girlfriend. i have tried to find a girl and it's extremely difficult, in my opinion, because of the tremendous odds against it. to find a mate that not only attracts you phsyically but mentally, and after raising your mental knowledge & awareness to such higher heights than average. fate has to allign us two souls together at just the right time & even then there must be that initial spark & pleasant conversation to make it to even exchanging numbers or whatever. there doesn't seem to be any particular place for meeting intelligent, attractive, & spiritual people either. and i live in austin too, which is considered to be pretty progressive & accepting. i know that there are girls out there for me, but i just don't know where to find them. i try not to let it get me down though with that same perspective that it's so rare, if it's meant to happen then it'll happen.

[NEWyear]

hi there, thanks for sharing your views. i'm sorry to hear about your trouble finding a partner.

david was mentioning in one of his blogs a while back about how strained relationships between males and females are today. it's possible that because women are coming into their power today, coupled with modern social pressures, they are very confused about what they really want. men and women who reach a particular point in their maturity tend to do better, but for young people it is very hard. then you are dealing with a spiritual awakening process which most people don't really know is going on, and finding someone who would be receptive to that would be very challenging. i can only think that things may get better in time and other doors will open later on.

just wanted to say i feel the same way and i've been pondering this for a while now. the last 5 years or so especially i've been doing a lot of wandering, searching, studying, etc. and in that same time period i have been without a girlfriend. i have tried to find a girl and it's extremely difficult, in my opinion, because of the tremendous odds against it. to find a mate that not only attracts you phsyically but mentally, and after raising your mental knowledge & awareness to such higher heights than average. fate has to allign us two souls together at just the right time & even then there must be that initial spark & pleasant conversation to make it to even exchanging numbers or whatever. there doesn't seem to be any particular place for meeting intelligent, attractive, & spiritual people either. and i live in austin too, which is considered to be pretty progressive & accepting. i know that there are girls out there for me, but i just don't know where to find them. i try not to let it get me down though with that same perspective that it's so rare, if it's meant to happen then it'll happen.

[eduptultyt]

seriously.
come to japan.

*warning: staying for too long may cause irreparable damage to career. proceed with caution and have an exit plan.

[Eujacwta]

in my area of nj we have a bunch of new age stores where we all meet to connect with like minded people. we have a wide range of ages show up and i have been surprised to see high school students in the shaminism classes as well as the herbalism teachings.

i have also seen alot of monthly fairs were reiki there will be alot of new age and spiritually like minded people.


love and light

paul

[WenPyclenoWex]

wow, that post rings very true for me. i have somewhat retreated into isolation as well, focusing on my self-education for about two and a half years now. i find the majority of people locked into the "ignorance is bliss mentality", where they want to ignore anything outside the control system. even people who are somewhat receptive to the information i'm sharing with them, don't really want to do anything with it. they just want to continue their normal existence.

"as the universe wants me sequestered for some reason."

this most definitely is a feeling that i identify with. serious introspection is a process every human should go through, but the nature of our experiences differ from what a normal person contemplates. essentially, we are expanding our consciousness as preparation for the 2012 evolution. there will be people acting as obstructions on our path, who just don't get it. they don't see past the physical and don't care for what lies there. we can try our best to bring as many people with us, but the fact remains, that some people just want to bel left behind.

peace and blessings

[Cogebrego]

hi mikaza,

nice post!

i even go to college and most people there are uninterested in meeting people, being more concerned with their studies. most sheeple are not aware there is even a world out there let alone something else going on in it. i think it would be wise to remember that these sheeple (and boy there are a lot of them) are in total ignorance of reality. understandably it is not their fault, rather, just another typical example of modern living.

or if it's a social problem among young people in general i think you have hit the nail on the head so to speak. i work on a busy high street and it is quite freaky to see the number of young people walking along with their headphones on, oblivious to anything else. they look like robots with a complete vacant expression on their faces.
without getting too deep, i see the problem as a manufactured social experiment that worked! look at the quality and content of many films over the years which have come out of hellywood. also couple that to the modern culture of pop music with all its subliminal mind programming messages and ooh la la - you got yourself a bunch of dumbed down humanoids and a never ending supply of them at that!

my advice to you my friend is to not get too hung up on the subject of meeting people. i do not know if you read back to yourself what you have written but let me tell you how you come across to me. you are obviously a highly intelligent, switched on and likeable person. just remember where you are now is not where you may be in 1 years time for instance. my guess is you will probably up sticks at some point and find the place which will give you a stronger sense of fulfillment which, in turn, will allow your spiritual persona to flourish and mature. it sounds like you are slightly unhappy with the fact that you are not connecting with like-minded spiritual folk.(?) well arnt we all!

please above all else, do not lose faith in your spirituality. things in your life will happen and change will come, when the time is right. for now keep at it and try and get going with conversations with your college friends. may i wish you peace of mind and contentment for your journey.

11wanderer11 - i hope you find miss right soon. often you know the best time to find something is when you are not looking! i have many friends who have found great relationships after they have given up the search. in other words, it will happen when you least expect it. good luck to you though.

may true love and light fill all of your hearts and last an eternity.

matt

[wantedLOX]

i've been in isolation as well. not only because i grew up in a "cage", but because everyone is "sleeping." all the things im now interested in learning are being studied by older people. have you watched 2012 enigma? i dont think i saw a person under 30 in the room.

the more you change, the people, places and things will change as well i.e. going to bars and clubs isnt the right place to find someone spiritually developed! try the book store. try not to talk to girls while there working, unless they're obviously focused on you.

it surprised me to find out that some of the bright and popular kids i knew from high school were doing drugs and drinking as if they always had. my brother is quite intelligent and has adhd, so i can talk to him about science or an idea all day, even though he's a skeptic type. he's smart, but unaware. stay away from the superficial, and the egotystical. you can't find this out by the car that they drive, though, so to speak.

imagine you didnt know who david was (and he was your age), and you bumped into him looking at a ufo book or esp or w/e. (knowing that he's open minded) he will most likely spark a conversation with you about ufo's, and the dominos start fallin. there are people searching for you, just like your searching for them.

if you dont know what your looking for, you won't find anything.

my issue is unresolved karma and/or the need to be neglected growing up to learn my path, but i'm not sure if that was entirely necessary! good luck on your search! i'm hopefully going to toronto for davids event, so if your going, ill see you there!