[ladleliDypenue]

awesome, thanks for the responses *thumbs up*

[22CreessGah]

lemme ask you a question. when do you do your best meditation? while you are doing a juice fast or after a big burger and fries? well i'll tell ya...like many i bought into the judgment thing to for awhile. i did. i was spiritually arrogant in many ways. i would look at someone doing what i was taught was unspiritual things. and when i was being a good spiritual boy and eating all my vegies and eating such and such foods and did my chanting and all that i had amazing meditations. then one day i was feeling weird, sorta like being depressed. i skipped meditation class and wandered the city(i was living in nyc then) i had what i was told a low spiritual craving. i wanted a burger!! or perhaps a few slices of pizza....with pepperoni or course. and i did. i went to a cool burger place and had one with the works. washed it down with two coronas and took my bad ass to get some ice cream just to do the job right. when i finished my nutritional and spiritual debauchery i went for a walk around the city. i could feel the programming beginning to take effect. i felt lesser now. i've eaten bad foods. i immediately promised i would begin a cleanse the very next day. to get my 'pureness' back, cause clearly i lost it...right? a voice within me asked.."are u sure?". why do i feel this way? in a flash, my childhood flashed before me. my weight challenges as a boy. my search for answers. the new age movement programming. how good it felt to constantly redeem myself over and over. the proverbial see-saw. spirit told me it is all a thought. a choice. to prove it i went home and sat on my meditation cushion. i sat with my less holier than thou bloated belly, my slight beer buzzed state, my "i know dairy is bad for me" belief and i called it god!!! why would a universe hold itself against me cause i ate a burger?? thats as ridiculous as believing i have to be saved by jesus!! same crap! this night began my next phase of spiritual development. something clicked that night. no longer would i blindly follow anyone. no longer would i accept something simply because someone else experienced it. a positive arrogance began to befall me. that night my mind stilled like never before. a peace came over me like never before. i owned my illusion. as bruce lee said "i found the source of my ignorance".

so my answer to you bro....it makes no difference what i eat to go within. no difference at all. why? cause i said so!! who knew my mother was right all along when she would answer my endless whys with "cause i said so": )

of course...other things can get in the way now...hahahaha, and i'm working on those. the game is the game people. the ride is the ride.

peace and blessings,
ps...of course all things being equal i dealt with my addictions earlier on my path. i speak not to beginners necessarily. sometimes we need a little structure to get going. i know this can be the case.

[Roxanjbra]

well i'll tell ya...like many i bought into the judgment thing to for awhile. i did. i was spiritually arrogant in many ways. i would look at someone doing what i was taught was unspiritual things. and when i was being a good spiritual boy and eating all my vegies and eating such and such foods and did my chanting and all that i had amazing meditations. then one day i was feeling weird, sorta like being depressed. i skipped meditation class and wandered the city(i was living in nyc then) i had what i was told a low spiritual craving. i wanted a burger!! or perhaps a few slices of pizza....with pepperoni or course. and i did. i went to a cool burger place and had one with the works. washed it down with two coronas and took my bad ass to get some ice cream just to do the job right. when i finished my nutritional and spiritual debauchery i went for a walk around the city. i could feel the programming beginning to take effect. i felt lesser now. i've eaten bad foods. i immediately promised i would begin a cleanse the very next day. to get my 'pureness' back, cause clearly i lost it...right? a voice within me asked.."are u sure?". why do i feel this way? in a flash, my childhood flashed before me. my weight challenges as a boy. my search for answers. the new age movement programming. how good it felt to constantly redeem myself over and over. the proverbial see-saw. spirit told me it is all a thought. a choice. to prove it i went home and sat on my meditation cushion. i sat with my less holier than thou bloated belly, my slight beer buzzed state, my "i know dairy is bad for me" belief and i called it god!!! why would a universe hold itself against me cause i ate a burger?? thats as ridiculous as believing i have to be saved by jesus!! same crap! this night began my next phase of spiritual development. something clicked that night. no longer would i blindly follow anyone. no longer would i accept something simply because someone else experienced it. a positive arrogance began to befall me. that night my mind stilled like never before. a peace came over me like never before. i owned my illusion. as bruce lee said "i fought the source of my ignorance".

so my answer to you bro....it makes no difference what i eat to go within. no difference at all. why? cause i said so!! who knew my mother was right all along when she would answer my endless whys with "cause i said so": )

of course...other things can get in the way now...hahahaha, and i'm working on those. the game is the game people. the ride is the ride.

peace and blessings,
ps...of course all things being equal i dealt with my addictions earlier on my path. i speak not to beginners necessarily. sometimes we need a little structure to get going. i know this can be the case.

man, i am humbled and blessed by your story. i think that what you experienced was a form of fascism, and and you were made to feel bad because you didn't fit into what they said was the perfect way to be. i have experienced that myself and i can totally empathize with you. there is no perfect way to be. there is just your path and your way of being.

so i just want to say that i have fully appreciated your posts, and like you said, we all have to find our own path.



peace

[curcercanty]

you know what i realize. alot of it is about 'false posturing'. people come into the spiritual movement thing, they are taught about dense foods and higher spiritual beings and how they lived and they start to try and reprogram their way of life not based on their feeling and experience but wanting to act like those people. in my opinion if you can't get deep in your meditation simply because you ate a burger then baby you ain't got it. you feel me?

i go thru periods of time where my body and my spirit truly have no desire or taste for meats. i go with it. i juice more. eat lighter and so on. perhaps it is a cleansing...i don't know i just listen and trust. then i'll feel like some fish or chicken whatever and i go with that. i don't notice any higher spiritual realms when i don't eat meat as when i do. it's not like some god or universal spirit is now diggin me more cause i gave up the meat...that is just plain silly. i say this not to insult anyone. nor to tout the greatness of eating meat. what i am saying is in truth...it really isn't the point. and those that think spirituality is all about meat or no meat are lost. they are grasping at straws trying to justify their lack of awareness. be truthful with yourselves. grow up spiritually! own your power.
go thru what you gotta go thru. be real. do the work..walk your path and see what you see. and if you give up meat...cool. but if you do and you turn around and try and act like doing so is more spiritual and so on...then back to the cushion you go entity cause ya lost it: )

peace,

i don't think there is anything wrong with other people eating meat. it is just something my body no longer wants.

i don't feel good with all the steroids and garbage, and don't like anything proccessed. just my body's responses.

i was eating meat until about 2 months ago, and have wanted to not eat it since a child, but it is a personal feeling.

i still smoke, and drink, so i am the last person to judge what someone else puts in their body.....i am probly one of the farthest behind in lifestyle, but who said it was a competition?

we are all on our designated paths, some people just got on the road earlier, and so are closer to "point b", than some of us who just left "point a"....

msg and stuff destroys me, and the only beer i can drink is coors light, or budwieser, everything else has a weird chemical that gives me a hangover. i can't smoke real cigarettes either, just plain tobacco, because the chemicals in manufactured cigarettes make me feel all jittery and aweful etc....

as for foods as medicines, i hear kiwi fruits have anti depressant qualities, and cilantro, and wheat grass etc help remove heavy metals and mercury etc from our sysytem.....i could write a book on how good soooo many foods are, but enough people beat me to it, and plus everyones bodies are different and will benifit from different things etc.

[Bbjhjxfy]

if happiness is a choice (which i've always believed) then... isn't enlightenment a choice too?


in other words, we all understand perfectly well that when we think things will make us happy, we are truly fooling ourselves. happiness does not come from 'things' nor do we want things. we 'want' to be happy in the end, and 'things' get in the way of our happiness.

so, in that light, it would stand to reason that to say that we must 'eat right' and 'believe the right thing' or 'do this or that' to be enlightened is just another way of putting 'things' in the way to our 'enlightenment'.

if we start by being enlightened, then won't the natural balance (which is different for each of us) come about naturally as a consequence and not the other way around?

we are all perfect.. just the way we are, how we are, what we are.. to begin with. period. will we change and grow and move in astounding ways? absolutely, thats the true fun of being. not 'trying' to be this or that (which carries the message of it being distant from you, and needing something to be worthy) but being, just being.

i love it when i can really capture that feeling of being perfect already, of loving myself and all my flaws irregardless and seeing them as a vast tapestry of greatness, creativity and endless opportunity. i am worthy, i am love and loved. we are all part of all that is, interconnected and a very beautiful tapestry. i can't truly explain what it is i see when i feel this way, other than to say everything is alright and going to be fine. to say that any one among us for any reason is unworthy or 'bad' for lack of a better term reflects on our feelings for ourselves. no one is required to be where you expect them, only required to be. the beauty of their own path should inspire you to see the beauty of our own and revel in the experience. we are one and perfect in every way.

peace

[Roxanjbra]

if happiness is a choice (which i've always believed) then... isn't enlightenment a choice too?


in other words, we all understand perfectly well that when we think things will make us happy, we are truly fooling ourselves. happiness does not come from 'things' nor do we want things. we 'want' to be happy in the end, and 'things' get in the way of our happiness.

so, in that light, it would stand to reason that to say that we must 'eat right' and 'believe the right thing' or 'do this or that' to be enlightened is just another way of putting 'things' in the way to our 'enlightenment'.

if we start by being enlightened, then won't the natural balance (which is different for each of us) come about naturally as a consequence and not the other way around?

we are all perfect.. just the way we are, how we are, what we are.. to begin with. period. will we change and grow and move in astounding ways? absolutely, thats the true fun of being. not 'trying' to be this or that (which carries the message of it being distant from you, and needing something to be worthy) but being, just being.

i love it when i can really capture that feeling of being perfect already, of loving myself and all my flaws irregardless and seeing them as a vast tapestry of greatness, creativity and endless opportunity. i am worthy, i am love and loved. we are all part of all that is, interconnected and a very beautiful tapestry. i can't truly explain what it is i see when i feel this way, other than to say everything is alright and going to be fine. to say that any one among us for any reason is unworthy or 'bad' for lack of a better term reflects on our feelings for ourselves. no one is required to be where you expect them, only required to be. the beauty of their own path should inspire you to see the beauty of our own and revel in the experience. we are one and perfect in every way.

peace

amen.

sometimes it is hard to do this but in theory i think you are right on the money.

[22CreessGah]

oh yeah!! good medicine in your words ewhaz....you too foo: )

[Anteneprorid]

this is a really interesting thread - thank you to all who have contributed

i have been a vegetarian for 21 years, since i was 11 - i would say i was a natural vegetarian, for me the eating of meat or fish has felt 'wrong' for as long as i could remember - my parents had to bribe / lie to me to try and get me to eat meat as a child, makes me giggle now

i genuinely believe that different people have different dietary needs, and i think that if you listen to your body and your natural cravings you can't really go wrong. i can tell when i'm low on certain nutrients by the foods i crave.

re the question about plant protein sources, seeds, beans, pulses - i've recently become a huge fan of sprouting seeds and beans at home, never tried sprouted alfalfa before until last week but i've been making some gorgeous delicious salads with my sprouts!

what feels 'normal' for you? my 18month old son i am raising as a vegetarian because that is normal for me - it amazes me how many people think this is wrong. from a loo perspective, why would he have chosen to be my child if a veggie diet was not going to suit him? but then that can be difficult to succinctly explain to people unfamiliar with ra.

anyway, although being a natural vegetarian i actually do marketing for local, organic meats - i see nothing at all wrong with people including meat in their diet and i have the utmost respect for farmers who farm on ethical and environmental principles.

knowledge about the food industry can be shocking but also empowering, and as long as people are true to themselves in terms of meeting their body's needs and feel content in the decisions they make then it's all good

[Immusaatmonna]

foosnik,

i second this question because my heart wants to be vegetarian/vegan but i have such a high energy job that i feel like i need the dense proteins from animals to keep up. i would love to hear the answer to this question.

is it possible to sustain a high level of energy on veggies alone? and if so then please tell me exactly what?

i love animals tremendously. i can merge souls with them when i look in their eyes, and feel their consciousness. insects delight me.

i've eaten vegetarian three times in my life, about a year each. the last time, i decided to try vegan. at first, i felt quite well, as i suppose it is cleansing. at some point, i got hold of a way to buy raw milk. and i started reading weston price. i remember the day i ate some farm fresh eggs from happy and free hens, and then drank my raw milk. i lay down for a nap with a feeling almost indescribable - deep bodily peace.

i won't say i felt bad as a vegetarian, although i always had gas. but i think you have to eat improperly a long time before you'll feel it.

for the most part, i think people really cannot achieve top health as vegetarians, but as has been pointed out, the biggest problem is all the nonfood, the sugar, the corn syrup, the aspartame etc, etc.,

it's not so much the proteins, as the fats we need, and the denser nutrients.

my son is a new age, cutting edge, highly spiritual, topanga living guy and he until recently cut trees for a living. being a tree climber is quite dangerous, and probably the most physically demanding occupation there is. the only thing which compares in effort is alaskan deep sea fishing. now, he has tried vegetarian and vegan type eating, not so much as a cut and dried philosophy but just trying to be healthy. you should see the salads he made, and made his own dressing. pomegranate seeds, flax oil, hemp oil, avocadoes. but he was losing weight, and even losing muscle mass. he ate lots and lots of wild salmon, and sushi. watching him take down a tree - you could sell tickets. he could do 30 chinups, he could rapel his own body weight up and down inside a big tree for 5 hours. yet he weighed more in college when he was running and played on the rugby team (he's a skinny guy i don't know why he played rugby). so he couldn't maintain without eating meat.

my daughter and her friend went veggie at age 12 or so for 5-6 years and both of them developed serious health problems. but again, they didn't eat right and i kick myself for letting her do it.

i believe the healthiest people in the world are in iceland. they eat a lot of fish and meat. lots of animal fat.

i do find it a bit sad, but it doesn't look like humans are meant to be vegetarian. i have assumed that in 4d we will indeed live on much lighter food, perhaps no more than fruit.

if a person wants to be vegetarian, i suggest finding a source, if possible, of raw milk, raw cheese, and eating raw eggs from healthy farm raised hens. i never buy butter unless it comes from grass fed cows. then, eat high calorie and high fat foods like avocados, and supplement with flax and hemp and coconut oils. and, if you don't mind abusing fish, take fish oil and cod liver oil. you could eat very little meat isfyou ate the above.

oh, you don't eat the raw eggs just like that. no. you make a smoothie with a banana and some berries (i buy frozen most of the time). or you can make a banana shake with raw milk, ripe banana, raw egg and a dash of vanilla. i've given that to lots of people, everyone loves it.

it's important to eat food raw when you can, and you need more than just fruit and salad raw.

it is now possible to buy meat that is not only hormone and antibiotic free, but grass fed and pastured as well.

[Roxanjbra]

foosnik,

i second this question because my heart wants to be vegetarian/vegan but i have such a high energy job that i feel like i need the dense proteins from animals to keep up. i would love to hear the answer to this question.

is it possible to sustain a high level of energy on veggies alone? and if so then please tell me exactly what?

i love animals tremendously. i can merge souls with them when i look in their eyes, and feel their consciousness. insects delight me.

i've eaten vegetarian three times in my life, about a year each. the last time, i decided to try vegan. at first, i felt quite well, as i suppose it is cleansing. at some point, i got hold of a way to buy raw milk. and i started reading weston price. i remember the day i ate some farm fresh eggs from happy and free hens, and then drank my raw milk. i lay down for a nap with a feeling almost indescribable - deep bodily peace.

i won't say i felt bad as a vegetarian, although i always had gas. but i think you have to eat improperly a long time before you'll feel it.

for the most part, i think people really cannot achieve top health as vegetarians, but as has been pointed out, the biggest problem is all the nonfood, the sugar, the corn syrup, the aspartame etc, etc.,

it's not so much the proteins, as the fats we need, and the denser nutrients.

my son is a new age, cutting edge, highly spiritual, topanga living guy and he until recently cut trees for a living. being a tree climber is quite dangerous, and probably the most physically demanding occupation there is. the only thing which compares in effort is alaskan deep sea fishing. now, he has tried vegetarian and vegan type eating, not so much as a cut and dried philosophy but just trying to be healthy. you should see the salads he made, and made his own dressing. pomegranate seeds, flax oil, hemp oil, avocadoes. but he was losing weight, and even losing muscle mass. he ate lots and lots of wild salmon, and sushi. watching him take down a tree - you could sell tickets. he could do 30 chinups, he could rapel his own body weight up and down inside a big tree for 5 hours. yet he weighed more in college when he was running and played on the rugby team (he's a skinny guy i don't know why he played rugby). so he couldn't maintain without eating meat.

my daughter and her friend went veggie at age 12 or so for 5-6 years and both of them developed serious health problems. but again, they didn't eat right and i kick myself for letting her do it.

i believe the healthiest people in the world are in iceland. they eat a lot of fish and meat. lots of animal fat.

i do find it a bit sad, but it doesn't look like humans are meant to be vegetarian. i have assumed that in 4d we will indeed live on much lighter food, perhaps no more than fruit.

if a person wants to be vegetarian, i suggest finding a source, if possible, of raw milk, raw cheese, and eating raw eggs from healthy farm raised hens. i never buy butter unless it comes from grass fed cows. then, eat high calorie and high fat foods like avocados, and supplement with flax and hemp and coconut oils. and, if you don't mind abusing fish, take fish oil and cod liver oil. you could eat very little meat isfyou ate the above.

oh, you don't eat the raw eggs just like that. no. you make a smoothie with a banana and some berries (i buy frozen most of the time). or you can make a banana shake with raw milk, ripe banana, raw egg and a dash of vanilla. i've given that to lots of people, everyone loves it.

it's important to eat food raw when you can, and you need more than just fruit and salad raw.

it is now possible to buy meat that is not only hormone and antibiotic free, but grass fed and pastured as well.

wow, onething, that was a great read. i don't know where to start. i think i pretty closely match your son's energy type and i as well started to lose weight when i tried to be a vegetarian. i never tried to be vegan because i intuitively knew that that would be too extreme for my body. i guess i was just wondering if there was some sort of magical substitute that i hadn't heard of for animal meat. i guess i do feel guilty and a bit selfish that that animal had to sacrifice his life so that i can have my dinner. but i think that you might be right that our bodies are not ready to be completely free of animal fats and proteins.

i will try to think of what the american indians did when they killed a buffalo. they blessed and thanked the soul of the animal for sacrificing its life for their survival.

and also, i totally know what you mean by eating things raw. i read a couple of books about the way cooking, pasteurizing and processing things kills most of the wonderful live bacteria and enzymes as well as killing the life force of the substance. and it turns it into dead matter which is much harder for your stomach to digest. in turn creating acid in your body and throwing off the ph balance. an acidic body is then susceptible to all kinds of diseases and illnesses. most raw things are alkaline and much better for your body. hence the 80/20 diet.

i really appreciate your post onething.

my humble gratitude,
foo

[22CreessGah]

you there is a very good reason why we as a species began eating animals in the first place. it wasn't a senseless random action. animals supply us with nutrients that are very hard to find separately. you can do it...but it's difficult. sometimes it's more difficult than an average person can master. in truth it's an individual thing. we are now blessed to live in a time where we have this thing that our ancestors didn't have....it called choice. a sioux brave couldn't just go down to the piggly wiggly and get a vegie sandwich and salad...lol. honoring the flesh one eats is a beautiful conscious act to take. i notice i eat less meat as i get older. i am now 44. i eat less period. feel it out.
be aware of judgmental, guilt ridden behaviors. they are more toxic than a ham sandwich; )

[Longwow]

hi, guys! this thread looks like a likely spot to add the following>

below is the governmental food code which can help guide your shopping in the the produce department.

conventional, organic, or genetically modified?
simple way to tell when purchasing ---

• a four-digit number means the produce is conventionally grown
• a five-digit number beginning with 9 means it's organic
• a five-digit number beginning with 8 means it's gm

be on the lookout for the radura! it is the symbol identifying irradiated foods...look for a big o with a blocky stocky flower crammed inside.

the danger of irradiated foods is not radiation from the product but rather the destruction of vital nutritional food factors caused by the nuking.

gratuitous remark about some super-duper non-animal protein supplementation.

enzymatically treated brown rice yields mucho protein. in a similar process green pea protein is a recent addition on the market... this is what is neat! fantastic upgrading can be achieved by blending 2 parts of rice protein to one part pea protein -- which produces an effectively balanced amino acid profile, having a high bio availability that actually rivals milk and eggs! note:there are economical sources available on the net, such as vita cost.

most of my meals consist of blended green drinks (frozen vegetables and fruit variations) i use stevia/glycerin as a sweetener. i'll dump in anything that happens to be in reach... for instance i'll grab some powdered spirulina and chorella; creatine, silica, bone support stuff, bee pollen, ascorbic acid, glucosamine, fiber, stabilized rice bran,(a real super food!) frozen pineapple/apple juice, etc. for some reason it never comes out tasting the same twice... if i kept my eyes closed some examples have actually tasted pretty good!

trust this will help somebody...which of course will help all.

best, biilybobbutterfinger ...well, i ain't perfect...

[SteantyjetMaw]

anybody have any info or suggestions about eggplant for protein?

[Longwow]

anybody have any info or suggestions about eggplant for protein?

dear deerclan

eggplant is not a notable source of good quality protein, but for sure, its a big source of carbohydrate.

interestingly enough, a surprising worthwhile source of vegetable protein is an approximate 50/50 mixture of steamed broccoli and cauliflower. one would assume that the two would have a similar amino acid profile, but no, each one has what the other lacks, so together they rate a few notches higher.:d

warning: soy protein isolate rates very high on paper, but soy has powerful phytoestrogens that can play havoc with male sexuality. so, unless you are striving to be a chaste monk, and could use some feminizing to neutralize your biological drive, don't mess with it...

best, bbb (who found out about soy much too late )

[SteantyjetMaw]

dear deerclanwarning: soy protein isolate rates very high on paper, but soy has powerful phytoestrogens that can play havoc with male sexuality.

thanks, bbb. i would never have thought about broccoli & cauliflower adding up to a balanced combination of amino acids.

i had read some things about soy protein, though. i had bought a couple of cartons at the supermarket for my 3-year-old daughter before i learned about how it "helps" estrogen levels. *near panic attack* i don't want my 3-year-old daughter "helped" with her estrogen, thank you. the natural course of growth will be just fine with me, thank you.

[DebtDetox]

well we see all of these warnings of what not to eat and why...what can we eat and why? i'd like to go veggy completely but soy was in my plans...now what?

[Longwow]

well we see all of these warnings of what not to eat and why...what can we eat and why? i'd like to go veggie completely but soy was in my plans...now what?

hi. that is a difficult question. i've done many radically different diets and i still don't know what is best... many vegetarian celebrities have unexpectedly died young -- an embarrassment to their followers. just recently i read the memoirs of a raw food expert where he confessed that he was made ill by raw food diet during the same time he was writing glowing propaganda in support of the movement.

food is not the same as it was a hundred years ago. the soil is exhausted and minerals are lacking...pesticides poison the leaves, plants are modified to kill parasites...and that built-in defense can make humans sick...celery is one example. genetically modified potato's have killed the test animals eating them. complicating this further is the fact that most people have at least one unsuspected hidden food intolerance (not allergy)-- and/or a certain very destructive bad combination...one example would be cane/beet sugar with fruit

people have different metabolisms...one man's meat is literally another woman's poison. i would suggest that you google dr. mercola and take his free test to see just where you fit in. go from there. you will have to do some brain work ... one formula doesn't fit all.

some really do need meat....once or twice a week i have half a bison patty with pasta tomato sauce and rice.

leaving you more confused than before? feel likewise!

please pass the grub,ms marie b. amen. :d bbb

[DebtDetox]

thank you, bbb, you basically confirmed my suspicion.

i do well on salads, which i love, there are so many interesting things to do with a salad. i avoid bread and pasta but i do eat rice. i'm a chicken fiend. fruits have never sat well with me, but bananas are fine. don't eat sugar, not like i used to anyway. it's funny how when you stop eating sugar the craving goes away. i don't agree that fake sugars like splenda cause you to crave sugar, at least, that's never happened to me.

the best advice i received on these boards is to investigate iodine. i started taking the most popular brand of iodine therapy supplements(pm me if you want the name and/or link) and already feel the extra benefits all over. it helps the thyroid gland to function better, apparently. but, as you said, everyone's body reacts differently to different diets and therapies.

[Amirmsheesk]

hi

there is a theory the different bloodtypes should not have the same diet. f.i me myself would like to be a veggie but since i am a "0 hunter-type" i'm supposed to eat fish and meat. i avoid meat though and if i do eat it it's ecological.

transiten

[aliceingoogs]

hi everyone!

can someone please tell me if cayce ever mentioned anything about gluten free diets? or does anyone have any insight on gluten free diets? are they beneficial for everyone, or only certain people (like those with celiac disease). also why are they recommended for indigo/crystal/rainbow children?

this is a great thread. i'm learning a lot. thanks!!