[SteantyjetMaw]

i think its a lot like a roller coaster. [...]
thats just my logic on the subject....i guess we will never know until we are off this dang ride, huh!? :d

i love that roller coaster analogy, kassandra. to my way of thinking, it fits perfectly. i like all the positive energy you keep bringing here.

i dunno, it's kind of a synchronicity for me to come here and see this discussion taking place, because i seem to have been having some "memories" about it surface recently. i cannot ground it into any reality, so as of right now those memories are only pieces of imagination. but boy, are they vivid.

[M_Marked]

hi beautiful people,

i searched out this discussion rather than starting a new thread with the above question. i read all the posts with increasing understanding & near revelation but am still not there yet, if you would be kind enough to enlighten me with your opinions & knowledge, i would be very grateful.

a soon to come event has caused me to search deep into my heart & faith.
the end of this year, 2009, sees the "codex alimentarius" being brought to bare on an unsuspecting population in the uk.

for those that don't know, this is the restriction & classification of all vitamins & minerals as toxic substances & the irradiation of all fresh fruit & veg & the end of mandatory labelling for gm foods.

my question is, is it worth getting into the politics of trying to stop this?
for one thing, politics would not be able to stop this as it goes beyond governments as we all know, it is an nwo agenda to degrade our health still further. for another, i have heard somewhere that to resist is futile as it just polarises the situation.

if i were to try to tell people about this terrible affront to their freedom, would i just be spreading fear & negativity myself?

i am a student of a course in miracles, therefore i practise forgiveness everywhere i look which brings up all kinds of issues in me (which is what it's supposed to do). but maybe getting involved in the politics of this would be dependent on my intent? that would go further than just going through the motions would it not?

would, perhaps, this issue help to define me? as some earlier posts say, these negative sts agendas help us to make positive choices. my dilemma is, could i make a positive choice to resist these moves by spreading the news of this impending madness & trying to come up with ways to "wake people up?"

questions, questions, hopefully i will be able to sleep tonight. one thing i'm going to do for sure is to start growing my own veg.

love & light to you all,

jc1

[dubGucKcolo]

would, perhaps, this issue help to define me? as some earlier posts say, these negative sts agendas help us to make positive choices. my dilemma is, could i make a positive choice to resist these moves by spreading the news of this impending madness & trying to come up with ways to "wake people up?"

questions, questions, hopefully i will be able to sleep tonight. one thing i'm going to do for sure is to start growing my own veg.

love & light to you all, jc1

nothing is black and white, compromise becomes a facet to satisfy both ends of the 'service to' pendulum.

i walked this path only recently. on myspace, i have many "fight nwo" friends, and they believe in fighting for their freedom. i believe in standing up for what is right, a bit of the ole indigo warrior hehe
so one cannot just sit by and do nothing. thats one end of the pendulum. the other is to keep quiet... but keeping quiet doesnt stop anything. information is power and it awakens people to truth. only by being knowledgeable do we stop any form of enslavement.

so whats the compromise? ive found it is to let light and love be the path to truth. inform others, but keep emotion out of it. knowing negative information causes fear... do not feel fear for what you hear. because even if you relay it to someone else without falling into the trap of fear mongering, our energy is poured into our communication, and they will feel it regardless of the words. so thats the trick, i find... inform them, but do so on a fact basis. inform others of both this and the truth that its not something to fear, for we will overcome.

balance in all things.

[furious1]

no other work resonates with me like davids and the law of one. i believe in the whole illuminati and black ops experiences and hidden technologies but i have one question about it.

would not the fear of such things cause a lower vibration going into ascension?

i look at the black ops projects as amazing. but wont the fear of these other entities such as the annunaki and so forth lower your vibration?

[JetePlentuara]

it is true that fear is a lower vibrational emotion, but we are here to experience the entire gamet of emotions that 3d has to offer. its ok to be scared sometimes, but we must not let fear guide our lives and our experiences...

love to you!

[rushiddink]

i read something somewhere recently that really resonated with me. it had to do with the negative elite/et's serving as catalysts for the rest of us. we need them here to provide us with choices. they actually, in a way, are doing a service to humanity by providing us with multiple catalysts that might change our own paradigms, as well as the world collectively.

[JetePlentuara]

i read something somewhere recently that really resonated with me. it had to do with the negative elite/et's serving as catalysts for the rest of us. we need them here to provide us with choices. they actually, in a way, are doing a service to humanity by providing us with multiple catalysts that might change our own paradigms, as well as the world collectively.

i agree with this 100%, negativity sucks, but without it, we may as well throw in the towel. we really cant learn without it.

sun alone will kill your crops, but throw some rain in there and bam. recipe for success...

[furious1]

i read something somewhere recently that really resonated with me. it had to do with the negative elite/et's serving as catalysts for the rest of us. we need them here to provide us with choices. they actually, in a way, are doing a service to humanity by providing us with multiple catalysts that might change our own paradigms, as well as the world collectively.

that is very true. its like the saying there can not be light with out darkness. its all one creation working together as one.

[markphata]

i read something somewhere recently that really resonated with me. it had to do with the negative elite/et's serving as catalysts for the rest of us. we need them here to provide us with choices. they actually, in a way, are doing a service to humanity by providing us with multiple catalysts that might change our own paradigms, as well as the world collectively.

yes, that is absolutely true. this is the irony of the self-serving path; the destruction its followers create provides sto beings with chances to enhance their service, and undecided souls with situations wherein they can choose their orientation. it benefits both parties.

i believe that the upper echelons of the illuminati are higher density sto souls who have chosen to incarnate as sts personas for this very purpose - and conscious of it. perfecting the art of service through self-service, so to speak. in fact, i believe that all third density cycles are divinely appointed with catalyst-inducing manipulators from the very start.

[DebtDetox]

yes, that is absolutely true. this is the irony of the self-serving path; the destruction its followers create provides sto beings with chances to enhance their service, and undecided souls with situations wherein they can choose their orientation. it benefits both parties.

i believe that the upper echelons of the illuminati are higher density sto souls who have chosen to incarnate as sts personas for this very purpose - and conscious of it. perfecting the art of service through self-service, so to speak. in fact, i believe that all third density cycles are divinely appointed with catalyst-inducing manipulators from the very start.

nothing like giving evil an excuse to be evil. great job.

[JetePlentuara]

nothing like giving evil an excuse to be evil. great job.

we aren't excusing "evil". we are loving all because even those that are percieved as evil have the same soul value as those that are good. whether we like it or not, evil is a part of our lives here. period.

we are simply stating the optomistic view that because its always going to be there, we may as well take what positive things we can get from it and leave the rest behind.

why sit there and curse the darkness? it gets nothing done. we battle it without turning dark ourselves and hating those entities for what they do. when you stand back, you can see the bigger picture.

[JetePlentuara]

pain is perception and nothing more. but while it is percieved as pain, it will always serve as a catalyst for change.

love to you all!

[Vokbeelllicky]

fear is a choice, allways has been and allways will be. just choose not to fear it.

[DebtDetox]

we aren't excusing "evil". we are loving all because even those that are percieved as evil have the same soul value as those that are good. whether we like it or not, evil is a part of our lives here. period.

we are simply stating the optomistic view that because its always going to be there, we may as well take what positive things we can get from it and leave the rest behind.

then why put them in jail when they do their evil deeds? why not thank them instead? tell them it was all worth it because we learned something from it, no worries...

[markphata]

nothing like giving evil an excuse to be evil. great job.

when did i excuse 'evil'? just because you can recognise its function in the bigger picture, it doesn't mean you should simply accept 'injustices' when they come your way. and, in my opinion, we really need to drop terms like 'good' and 'evil', they are subjective, judgmental and imply that one path for the creator to explore itself it better than the other. while embracement of the sto path is ultimately required for the higher densities because the qualities it cultivates are those of who we really are, it doesn't mean that souls who choose self-service are 'wrong' to do so. they are simply taking a different route to the majority, and their actions lead to greater understanding for both themselves and those they provide catalysts for.

thanks kassandra, in my opinion you definitely see 'the bigger picture'

[aliceingoogs]

i have to agree bloodoftheberry and kassandraloves.

i learned something recently that really had a profound impact on my perspective. we live in a world of duality and we have all played the role of good and evil, prey and victim, rich and poor, etc. therefore, we should not judge others because we have been 'them'. it is these experiences that make us who we are.

then why put them in jail when they do their evil deeds? why not thank them instead? tell them it was all worth it because we learned something from it, no worries...

mmariebored: you're being judgemental. besides isn't 'evil' relative and based on perception? our society is so quick to label people and punish them for it. give people love and understanding, and watch their so-call "evil" ways heal and disintegrate. punish them, and watch how they continue to commit the same crime. you can look to our jail system if you want proof of that.

[leacturavar]

we are here to learn the true nature of ourselves. not knowing our past or our futur allows us for the first time to see inside our spirits and know for a fact if we are good or bad. this life is a double blind test of the cosmos.

in other times and places we had full memory of past life and futur events. only in this place with our memories blocked and our sences dulled to the point of almost blindness can we truly see inside to the true nature of who we are.

[JetePlentuara]

i learned something recently that really had a profound impact on my perspective. we live in a world of duality and we have all played the role of good and evil, prey and victim, rich and poor, etc. therefore, we should not judge others because we have been 'them'. it is these experiences that make us who we are.

i agree with this 100%. how do you know that some things you have done in this life or in another life wouldnt be percieved by someone as "evil." its so completely based on perception. evil to one person may not be evil to another and same with goodness.

duality is something you can only define for yourself.

we arent congratulating darkness. we are accepting it with love no matter what we may percieve. we are not the judge or the jury here. only you are the judge and jury of your soul. i cant say what is good and evil...it is simply not my place. all i know is that whatever i glean from my experience is solely up to me, and i can chose to blame and be a victim because of the "evil" lurking around every corner, or i can choose to manifest love and light into all that i do. and i will give that same love and light to even the "evil" because those are the soulds that need it the most.

i think that to live above the illusion, you must absolutely throw judgement of others out the window. we can never truly know anyone in this state. and the best medicine i can offer is love. and to truly heal with love, it must be unconditional. unfortunately we dont live in a society that upholds these views and we continue to punish instead of heal. maybe one day we will realize this as a whole and move into a more harmonious and loving environment, whether the darkness is present or not.

love is the only healer. you are not a victim unless you percieve it that way. we are great manifestors, creators...if we just changed the way we think and moved away from the old views, we just might open up enough to see how er truly do create our own reality.

lets leave our judgements of others' actions at the door.

[BEKREUNSEPBERw]

i read something somewhere recently that really resonated with me. it had to do with the negative elite/et's serving as catalysts for the rest of us. we need them here to provide us with choices. they actually, in a way, are doing a service to humanity by providing us with multiple catalysts that might change our own paradigms, as well as the world collectively.

so true. the negative is a catalyst.

and we must never forget that we are the negative as much as we are the positive.

its all one.

so embrace the negative, don't let it put your mood in fear, just accept that it exists and do something to stop it from encouraging fear and instead make sure love is spread! just like david wilcock is doing!

without the negative we wouldn't be who we are like someone said, and its very true! we must never forget that we are all one in this eternal universe and creation!

we have just begun our journey, we have alot to experience, way more then we can cram into a 'normal' human existence in 3d

[rushiddink]

i believe that the upper echelons of the illuminati are higher density sto souls who have chosen to incarnate as sts personas for this very purpose - and conscious of it. perfecting the art of service through self-service, so to speak.

i believe this too. when i first encountered this idea it was such an "ah ha" moment for me. i totally saw things from a different perspective. it reminded me of the oprah show, and how she has these great moments where she, and/or guests on her show say "i never thought of it that way".

those negative sts entities are denying their own true natures, in order to help us evolve; it is actually such a self-less and beautiful act on their part. this is why it is so important that when we experience those negative emotions, and the negative beings; that we embrace them and love them. love does conquer all, and it is what we are here to learn and perfect right now.

the polarity disappears in sixth density anyways.

i also like what was said earlier about how we have all been that negative being at some point... we've all played the victim, the aggressor, the winner, the loser. so love them all, because they are all a part of each of us, and we all are one, and the one is all.

as far as the "evil" discussion earlier, and prisoners/criminals, etc... we are not omnipotent beings (yet ;-)), and cannot see those individuals' entire soul journey. therefore, we may not be aware (for example) that the person they killed or victimized may have killed or victimized them in a previous life (again, that's just an example).

it's actually really interesting how they dealt with criminals in atlantean times. i've been reading "the dweller on two planets", from david's suggested reading list, and have been completely awestruck by this book. apparently, they would literally change the way the criminals' brains worked, by first diagnosing, and then actually fixing the "deficiencies". they used some type of advanced technology to do this; possibly partially electrical in nature. in the examples given, this involved manipulating, or even shutting down certain areas of the brain.