[Abanijo]

i settled this within myself a few months ago. i believe we each choose the lessons or experiences we will have in a given lifetime. each one, in order to become a fully experienced being, must experience lifetimes with a wide variety of situations. one life we may be wealthy another poor, one life a victim and the next an oppressor. as another person here said, it is all part of the bigger picture that we are not going to fully comprehend until a future date.

this in no way makes the pain we see, the suffering we endure or watch other endure any less painful, but it does put things into perspective. we are all on the path of development, humans and et's alike. it is only to be expected there would be a variety of personalities and motivations.

[Amirmsheesk]

although i think we choose our parents and circumstances to be born into to learn different "lessons" i have a problem with the notion that someone highly evolved 6d-sto should deliberately choose to be "evil" just to "help" us make experiences and learn our lessons..

...this thought gives me nausea...i think it's not as "easy" a that...is there anywhere in the loo this perspective is mentioned?? and it surely doesn't resonate with other concepts of reincarnation where you actually experience and reap what you once did act out in former lifetimes.

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[attanilifardy]

reading that bit about the atlanteans manipulating brains to stop criminal behavior gave me a bad feeling. i wouldn't want someone messing with my brain to improve my behavior. manipulation getting out of control was supposedly one of the reasons for atlantean destruction, and i personally get an uncomfortable feeling if i find myself gaining power, like there was a time in my distant past when i misused that power.

when criminal behavior is attributed to something like lead poisoning in children, which appears to be a big issue these days, then eliminating the lead out of the system would be a good idea. or additives in food causing hyperactivity and a.d.d. eliminating the source of the problem makes more sense than fixing it after it's gone bad.

i like the discussion about luciferian goodness/badness being a catalyst for change of consciousness, i first came across that idea in the [specific] material. what a fascinating concept. i don't believe it is an excuse for evil.

i sometimes feel guilty for having the luxury of being able to sit around and discuss these issues with all the suffering and pain happening in this world. it's easy to talk, but when a person is faced with the immediate issue of violence and struggle for survival, what good are concepts. we're very lucky in this country.

i came across a tourist from texas visiting nepal who was bitterly complaining about the conditions in the hotel and the disgusting poverty in the country. it made me sad. then there was my friend who cried over the street kids and gave them everything she could, and another who set up a foundation to save the street dogs.

it takes all kinds to make up this world. this thread is about ascension and conspiracies. black and white. i believe in conspiracies on all levels, it's the abuse of power, and i believe in ascension, the inevitable evolution of consciousness. and i believe in nothing, because it's all an illusion and game anyway.

[JetePlentuara]

i think its a lot like a roller coaster.

you decide your gonna get on the ride, before youre on it. then, when youre on it and that rickety bar slides down onto your lap, you forget why the heck you thought this was a good idea.
then you get really freaked out and scream all the way through the huge drops and the loop-de-loops. you might even get brave enough to throw your hands in the air, while still scared and screaming.
then, when it comes to a stop? all you wanna do is get back in line and have another go at it!

i think the re-incarnation cycle is a lot like that. it sounds sick from our perspective that we would subject ourselves to negativity. it sounds crazy that we'd strap ourselves in to a roller coaster that will literally scare the sh** out of us and make us scream the entire time we're on it.

but the point is'nt the actual ride itself, although the experiences can be fun, frightening, and whatever else. its the way it makes you smile when youre back on the ground, you know? you can't judge the value of this "rollercoaster" until youre off of it and looking from a distance. we do that with our incarnations here before and after we are in them. it may have seemed nuts while we were on it, but then we get off and see that it was friggin schweeeet and we realize that we weren't gonna die that whole time we were gripping the bar with white knuckles scared of just exactly that.

thats just my logic on the subject....i guess we will never know until we are off this dang ride, huh!? :d

[santorio]

i, too, see a logical difficulty here. if all is one any distinction between self and other must be illusory; and, therefore, so is any distinction between service to self and service to others. perhaps in a realm governed by illusion, illusion holds sway over greater truth--the lesser rules the greater locally; perhaps this inversion precipitates paradox, allowing false distinctions to be functionally operative. this would allow service to self and service to others to be meaningfully distinct ideas despite their reliance on an erroneous perception. but, then, the purpose of the exposition of the law of one would seem to be to reveal the underlying falsity of the sts-sto dichotomy. to what end but confusion? this is where things get a little conspiratorial for me.

in chemistry, a catalyst is something introduced into a chemical reaction in order to speed it up, not cause it to happen where, otherwise, it would not. purportedly, negativity is supposed to accelerate the pace of our progress. why does it have to be accelerated? is the evolution of the universe on a tight schedule? what if it's a clever deception to actually sidetrack or subvert our evolution by taking our eyes off the material prize. maybe our evolution is best served by the slow, steady progress achieved in encountering the natural, uncatalyzed negativity inherent in our material reality.

if the so-called "fourth density" is exactly equivalent to the "astral plane", it's game over! evolution is then not the name of this game--death is! 4d is then not something to be sought after or desired in some other time frame, but is rather here and now forming the foundational matrix of our physical bodies. there are "negative" inhabitants of the astral who are not capable of incarnation, but who realize the desirability of it, and who may "taste" it through a psychical "possession" of, and congress with, an incarnate being. my jury is still out on this one...