[JetePlentuara]

it is not imperative that russia need do this. it would be nice, and people i trust have agreed and speculated that it will happen...but truly? nothing will stop the harvest anyway! we will all bathe in the light and love of the 4th density whether the illumanti are here or not.

sure, it'd be great to see them fall away like a snake sheds its skin, left to dry out in the beautiful light of the sun. i will rejoice if this happens before the harvest indeed. it would be a sight to see for sure! but it need not be the focus of our journey, friends...

we'll get there regardless of what they or anyone else does/does not do...

and that just plain rocks if you ask me :d

lets continue to keep our focus where it does its best work! spreading the beautiful light and love thats inside us now!

[Relsenlilky]

it is not imperative that russia need do this. it would be nice, and people i trust have agreed and speculated that it will happen...but truly? nothing will stop the harvest anyway! we will all bathe in the light and love of the 4th density whether the illumanti are here or not.

sure, it'd be great to see them fall away like a snake sheds its skin, left to dry out in the beautiful light of the sun. i will rejoice if this happens before the harvest indeed. it would be a sight to see for sure! but it need not be the focus of our journey, friends...

we'll get there regardless of what they or anyone else does/does not do...

and that just plain rocks if you ask me :d

lets continue to keep our focus where it does its best work! spreading the beautiful light and love thats inside us now!

once again...love is right...we have to do this together...if one of us does it...we risk losing all of us. we must unite!

we can do this together...we can be one!

[Preorbtat]

“anyway, what do you guys predict will happen from here to 2012? do you think the mass public will finally find out about the illuminati and the politicians (who are involved) for what they really are? “

i think it will take a huge amount of reliable information for the general public to believe this (and probably from a different source than russia-as many/most americans do not ‘trust’ russia). many of us voted for, campainged for and supported these people. no one wants to feel as though they have been ‘tricked’, lied-to, or so gullible that they have allowed something on this level to exist. so ‘we the general public’ will not respond well at first to this knowledge. but i personally think that the ascension is a birthing process –and births involve pain and blood (this will be a difficult time for many) but result in pure (mostly) unconditional love for a child (the new earth-or 4 dimension). it will end in a positive way. it is also very hard for some people to comprehend the level of self-indulgence/evil that exists by the illuminati-i myself have struggled with this for several years. this will compound the overall effect felt by the general public. it is hard to understand how anyone could do the things that svali describes. i literally hurt knowing this. but i also know that i am not alone and i think that the hurt-and subsequent love i (we) send is critical to the healing that is needed.

[Relsenlilky]

this is happening now...2012 will be something completely different at this point...all bets are off now...

peace, love, and unity,
brian

[PeterPatrickJohn]

i'd say everything is in a state of flux, but people will realize they'll be able to guide the process as the energy level of the human soul matrix increases.
basically, we're deprived of serotonin as a species. the states of happiness and energy arise fleetingly and leave, seemingly cast to the wind whenever a rock appears in our path. yet things will change when the heart is opened and fear is cast to the side, one step at a time.
ever wonder why much of the info on 2012 is fear-based?
hmm...reinforcement of lower emotional states to generate more predictable and controllable timelines perhaps?

[VIAGRAENLINOBARATOCAMPRAR]

for me, it feels that 2012 is more about us as "individuals" and our process. sure, we can get caught up in the "end of time" and illuminati, etc which would be a great "outside of ourselves" excuse not to do & deal with our own stuff...but still, at some point, it becomes about the opening, accepting of light and letting the fear go.

i am feeling that there is currently a mass awakening...it will fit within the individual framework of each individual and yet mesh with the larger whole...it may start slowly but grow exponentially and quickly.

without a doubt in my heart & mind, i feel that the dark ones in power for so long are losing their control.....i can see beams of light shooting out of the earth as if breaking through a dark hard crust and letting the liquid light/love consume it turning all into golden light energy. their is no power as strong as light and always, always, it is a matter of "time" (which is only another illusion anyway). so we have always been in the light...sometimes we just never had the eyes and heart to always see it...feel it embrace it and be it. now we have given ourselves permission to do just that and the dark ones have no power anymore...and as their illusions are crumbling they are beginning to figure it out.


from here to 2012...can be as beautiful and empowering...freeing as we wish or it can be fear and darkness filled. we can "create" the worst case scenarios from our fears or we can create the "golden cities" from love and hope and knowing our connectedness and oneness with creator...and each other. what a wonderful opportunity to lift each other up into the light filled world of the higher dimensions.....



in lakéch,
meriut

[IssuessBratte]

that was with the crop circles.

one day the crop circle appears with the alignment of dec 23 2012. then later the same crop circle is modified to include extra symbols which david theorised were alien races.

i don't see why it's a big deal if it is or it isn't. i don't mind much if aliens come down in 2012. they will or they won't. we'll still have a fairly good society so long as things are on the up. (upward motion).

if the theory is correct though then you could extend that to 'wanderer's home planet races will come and take them back!'

[mirex]

i was thinking about the end times and how "it" may transpire, and i was thinking about the deep underground military bases
(or d.u.m.b as they are known, heehee gotta love that!)
i thought that these bases were being made so that the choosen ones could hide out should a catastrophe occur, so they could survive.
what if our ascension is caused in the final stages by a huge solar blast of light that changes our dna from particle to waveform ? if you were one of the "lucky" dumb dwellers you may not be reached by this solar beam and so not transform to the higher realms.
could this be the meaning of helland the foloes of satan (or the evil path)? while all others live without fear facing their destiny and looking in to the light of the sun with open hearts, others hiding below the surface, with dishonesty and selfishness in their hearts getting no transformation and being left behind on a 3d planet about to begin crumbling and exploding.
the bible speaks about the end days and how the planet begins cataclysmic earthchanges. the angel of the abyss in revelation. but this occures after the 'faithful" have been taken or harvested (perhaps by the light?)
just some thoughts, glad i'm not invited in to those dumb places away from the light
would just be classic poetic divine comedy/tragedy/justice.

much love
bb x x x

ps not that i wish anyone to suffer or go through distruction, in my utopia everyone opens to love and we all go together as one! one for all and all for one.

[hereiamguy]

ps not that i wish anyone to suffer or go through distruction, in my utopia everyone opens to love and we all go together as one! one for all and all for one.

this is my idea of utopia too babyblue!

one for all and all for one ascending as one!

love to all

ds

[Relsenlilky]

i want to encourage everyone to seek out truth of yourself. faces your fears, realize that you are more than you know and that you have power. not a domination but a respect for fear. love is the key.

take the first step...know yourself first...heal yourself first.

peace, love, and unity
brian

[DoctorWeryDolt]

we each have free will. we may say yes or no, to what life presents us each day. to be happy; to be sad; to live in fear; to live in joy.

it is each of us as individuals who must find our way now. we have free will to live as we choose. we only have to ask for divinity/joy and each of us move our life towards goodness.

when each of us makes a small movement towards grace, the sound of thunder roars over the planet.

let us everyday, make those small movements.

let there be the sound of grace everyday.

peace to our hearts and souls!

[bahrain41]

i think something is up lately. the mainstream media is talking about things that normally you would only read on the alternative news on the internet. cheney announced on abc that he is quilty of war crimes. glenn beck is allowed to challenge policies that have been put into place by bush, on cnn.
you have colin powell talking about things that are going to arise around the time obama is put into place. all very odd.

i think that the ptb first wanted hilliary and secondly wanted mccain. they were concerned about obama because they were concerned he would go against their wishes.

i think the bailout was a desperate act to rape the american public and government of trillions of $'s.

many of the illuminati's corporations have lost billions in the last year. don't think they will be too happy about this.

[Amirmsheesk]

hello sanat

that was a very down to earth and uplifting summary of the current situation i think. personally i've always been "ahed of my time" as we say in sweden and i have noone close to me that i can discuss the information provided on this website with, except for one friend of mine who lives far away. she will move closer though but i will probably also be changing residence sometime in the near future.

i feel like "hanging in between two worlds" at the moment and try to be patient, waiting for pple of my kind to finally cross my path physically...i'm grateful to have found you guys on this forum but i must have the physical connection too...

i wonder why this is so, what lesson i have not learned yet...

liiane transiten

[JetePlentuara]

just to add to the comments about the bailout plans mentioned here...

another sign of the "falling" could maybe be a program i bumped into on the ol' television last night.

it was abc investigating where all this bailout money is going! and the reporters had good points and were generally pretty peeved about the gov. asking for "transparency" and then not abiding by that themselves.

the whole point was that no one knows where the american peoples' money is going to. in fact, i distinctly remember the main reporter saying, "this is what the governments of corrupted 3rd world countries do, and now its happening here in america!?"

just an interesting tidbit. the fact that they'd even allow a showcase on this topic is a sign of something. what? i dont know...

[Afigenatjola]

they made 15 billion in cash disappear in iraq,where do you want these pallets sir: stack them over by the fence.ok.guess those little strips with in the bill can't be useful for anything after all.this whole war is such a contractors ruse the american people should just accept we can't afford war anymore.

[EntectCelpelm]

the heart of the illuminati control is the money/banking system. they own/print and control the money flow and thus their influence has been vast and global since money = power. i think david is spot on when he says that this current financial crisis is hurting the illuminati more than the "people". the system is full of lightworkers working behind the scenes to uproot their power structure and replace the current system with a new system based on transparency and integrity. the ongoing collapse is a sign of how far the process has come.

i actually think that the mass media is the centrepiece of the illuminati control system. from the 1500's on, the financial system was used to build their empire and enslave vast masses of people. but small breakthroughs in literacy and democracy changed the game a little. the chains could no longer be physical.

so then, information control became the name of the game. and that is what defined the entire 20th century. radio, movies, tv, the book industry, newspapers - there were gatekeepers on infomation at every step. nothing too shocking or controversial ever made it into wide circulation. control of information meant control of ideas --> control of thoughts.

mass media is the primary means of control of the illuminati.

what happened then? the internet arrived. from 1993/94 onwards, the age of free ideas dawned.

the past 15 years has seen the internet make more and more inroads into the mass media control system. every single mass media tool they use has been weakened or totally sidelined. our minds have been set free.

sure, they can cling onto physical power, onto financial manipulation. but so what? if the mind is free, no-one can control you. once you own your mind, you create your own reality. and through each person's example, other people learn. they see you liberated, and follow suit.

the system crumbles.

so is the illuminati collapsing? for sure they are. they have been for 15 years now ...

[Patgaepx]

when he defected from supporting the democrats to support mccain's campaign right after lady de rothschild, after hillary lost the primary, it got my attention. like if they can't win by getting their democrat in, they would at least like to keep their secrets secret. so then, when the republicans lost, both of the warring sides of the negative elite actually went down together.

well, today i saw a link on aol about trump going bankrupt due to debts, i tried to click on it and then it vanished. i waited for it to reappear as the links scrolled by but it was gone. i am going to check huffpost and drudge to see what's up.

happy 12-21 everyone!

[leflyCode]

perhaps this may help?
report: trump considering plan to take casino holdings private
http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf...ring_plan.html
donald trump is considering taking his casino group private as it struggles to meet its debt obligations, the financial times reported, citing unnamed sources.
bill "the doctor"

[Flalafuse]

i was just thinking tonight.....about the child abuse svali and others have described in their testimonies. most of us could never comprehend what it would have been like to be in their shoes, or go through those kind of experiences....like how they traumatize you and train/ force you to kill from an extremely young age (the age of 2 according to svali).

no wonder these people's minds are so totally and utterly messed up.....perhaps this kind of trauma just shatters the human mind in many ways.

not only are they put through this, but they later undergo occult rituals to have entities possess them. now if an entity possesses someone then the soul of that person is being controlled by that entity sometimes.


yes, these people are completely sick......but perhaps.....and please do not get me wrong because i have not made my mind up about it yet.....but perhaps they are not much more than mind-controlled robots.......puppets.

perhaps hate is futile.

i don't know.

just sharing some thoughts i had this evening.


i suppose this brings us onto another topic.....do human beings have free will? perhaps. in as much as we can still hear the voice of our own conscience through our hearts. sometimes there is to much distraction in our lives and our physical minds to be able to hear our own hearts.

and if a person can hear the voice of their own conscience/ heart, then the way i see it, it is impossible not to do good. perhaps by making some of the wrong decisions in life we stop hearing that voice so well....becoming slaves to the illusion of this world, that we are separate and that "survival of the fittest" is the natural way that things should be. i don't believe it is natural. i think it's simply a product of the particular dimension in which we live.

perhaps we are hear to simply experience "good" and "evil".
the only way to fully experience it would be to forget who we truly are.


infinite love is the only truth.....everything else is illusion....for god's sake.....for our sake's.....let us allow ourselves to open our hearts and love more. love is all we need.

[STYWOMBORGOSY]

hi transiten

it seems to me that wanderers are spread all around the globe on purpose. "ghetto tendencies" of wanderers/lightworkers would not be in the best interest of this mission. internet is a great tool to interact with other likeminded people. it can be lonley sometimes, but i guess this is part of the "trials" we can grow from by being here. working on patience and independance etc.

ggw_bach:

one thing does not exclude the other. you cannot exercise control over the global media without controlling/owning the monetary system. in the material paradigm so many people "worship" money = power, because with sufficient control of money you can bribe all other sections of societery influence, for example the media. internet is the lights respond to the darkness of control. instead of "fighting" the controlled media, the light simply created something totally new and different on another/higher level, which is the free internet.

this is how the solutions will happen all over i think. the new truthbased systme will grow strong on it's own accord on a "higher level" as people hunger for truth more and more. this happens simultaniously with the collapse of the old as peoples "support (consciously/unconsciously)" is withdrawn more and more from the old collapsing and directed more and more towards the new emerging in concordance with the rising level of mass consciousness. let's enjoy the ride!

have a nice holiday now!

love and gratitude,

sanat