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this is my idea of utopia too babyblue!

one for all and all for one ascending as one!

love to all

ds

wishful thinking. remember free will.

[FoetAgerhot46]

i was reading david's discourse and wonderful explanation of the "2012 politics iv: crop circle history"

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?op...=409&itemid=70

the avebury manor series particularly intrigued me. so the initial circle was damaged, and they later returned to fix it. the second touch up increased the diameter of the sun to encompass mercury and venus, and earth looks entirely too close to sustain any life.

next to it is a completely empty circle, with all kinds of neat symbols outside of it.

so i guess my question is, apart from being a complete shift consciousness, is it also a physical cosmic event? is this why the black ops folks would feel a "bump" in their excursions into 2012? there are no "physical" people left?

just wondering.

cheers, raven

[7HlBQS8j]

if the negative didn't exist, we wouldn't be able to choose the positive. this choice is the whole point of third density.

thank you to my negative brothers and sisters for making this possible. i wish you well on absolving your karma in negative 4th density. if you need my love and forgiveness, you have it.

[JetePlentuara]

hi raveninn!

i dont think he stated that the initial circle was damaged. correct me if i am wrong, but i dont recall that being said...hmm...

i thought that he said that the circlemakers returned to make "the sun" bigger the day after to kind of give us an idea of what was going to happen. the circle wouldnt have given us the idea of the sun getting larger if it started out that way. people had to look at it first, then see the secondary image after it was altered to get the whole message.

also, im not quite sure that there arent going to be any physical bodies left. im not sure if david is claiming that. i think the bump is a huge crossroads. some will stay, some will go, some will "die" some will hide in bunkers underground, etc etc.

but i dont think that the bump is so easy to explain also. remember he also said that after the bump, the person in the chair saw whatever it is that they thought. so, everyone viewed something different. some viewed destruction while others saw something else...

[Eujacwta]

hi raveninn!

also, im not quite sure that there arent going to be any physical bodies left. im not sure if david is claiming that. i think the bump is a huge crossroads. some will stay, some will go, some will "die" some will hide in bunkers underground, etc etc.

i don't believe anyone will die. david's take on 2012 states we won't be here. we will be harvested. i believe he also stated that the aliens will come around 2012.

this is in line with past life regression sessions i have read about were subjects remember the other times when it was time for harvest. everyone was taken off the planet. even the animals to protect each being from the earth changes that occured and then brought back when the earth changes had been completed.

this would explain why during certain periods of time there are no fossil records on the planet.


love and light

paul

[JetePlentuara]

i don't believe anyone will die. david's take on 2012 states we won't be here. we will be harvested. i believe he also stated that the aliens will come around 2012.

this is in line with past life regression sessions i have read about were subjects remember the other times when it was time for harvest. everyone was taken off the planet. even the animals to protect each being from the earth changes that occured and then brought back when the earth changes had been completed.

this would explain why during certain periods of time there are no fossil records on the planet.


love and light

paul

die was in quotations because it isnt really death. i put the "--" around it because it is just the name for what happens that is common here. david has also stated that the process of density change may very well be much like what we would call "death" and he talks extensively on it in a interview with project camelot called "futuretalk."

i was just using the word because its familiar to most of us. death = the return to life. and if i have to "die" to get there, then so be it. we just have created a word for it that basically means the opposite. hence my word choice was "die."

[qwerty1]

[quote=the wonderer;40042]david said that august 16(i think, i don't remember) was the date of the beginning of the end for the illuminati. he stated that we will literally see the dismantling of the illuminati as the months progress. in my opinion, david is right.

1)the illuminati gets most of their money from media profits, movie profits, pornography, child pornography, music, weapon trafficking, drug trafficking, prostitution, child trafficking, etc.

i do not agree with your opinion of the illuminati money income:
this is the income of the "little man" connected the the "little mafia"
or similar structures.

[Amirmsheesk]

gosh!

now i'm having a flashback from the time i met the meditationguru that brainwashed me in 1983. when i read this thread, that we're going to be harvested and that the aliens will come in 2012 i suddenly feel very suspiscious it sounds like these prophesies one has heard of and laughed at during all these years.

jupiter in the heavens just went into a square with my horoscoperadix- neptune; in 1983 i had this same transit when being deluded by this psychopat guy. at best this aspect can mean idealism and spirituality of high order, at worst one may be deluded, prone to gambling and/or overidealistic with one's head in the clouds.

noone and i mean noone, not even my mediumistic teachers would belive this 2012-prophecy....perhaps this is a test whether i can stand up for my beliefs or just go back to..well...almost "normal"

at the same time i'm not allowed to mention in this forum the astrological indications showing that the stockmarket will rally at the moment...this is truly the paradox of the opposites...you don't believe me, and i don't believe you....

suspiscious cassandra scorpio

[qwerty1]

the change that will come in the ordinary flow of time will come
in three modes:

the smooth unkown/unseen by nobody modus.
the disruptive revolutionary modus like cutting the head of a french king.
th controlled scientific modus.

which do you prefer ?


mullah nasr edin:
the ordinary mind of ordinary man see and fear the destruction is in future,
but this may be wrong, look i'm living this must be done in past.

[JetePlentuara]

im also not too sure how to interpret that "aliens will come in 2012." i cant remember dw saying that, but i could very well be wrong? anyone got any clarity on that for me? i thought that he always said that in a typical sense, "aliens" or "ets" will not appear visible in a "mass contact" unless the earth has enough calls for them or even the entire social complex asks for it. isnt that what the ra material says, too?

even then, if he said that, maybe those "aliens" are wanderers. in which case we already here, but maybe more will be needed to aid earth and its people in the transition into 4th density.

if most wanderers, as it is believed, have made the transition before, then what better beings to "lubricate" the transfer than wanderers. we are here to aid in the shift and it seems to me that the absolute best time to aid in the shift would be during it. and espeically in 2012 when the event horizon is at hand...

[STYWOMBORGOSY]

“anyway, what do you guys predict will happen from here to 2012? do you think the mass public will finally find out about the illuminati and the politicians (who are involved) for what they really are? “ the heart of the illuminati control is the money/banking system. they own/print and control the money flow and thus their influence has been vast and global since money = power. i think david is spot on when he says that this current financial crisis is hurting the illuminati more than the "people". the system is full of lightworkers working behind the scenes to uproot their power structure and replace the current system with a new system based on transparency and integrity. the ongoing collapse is a sign of how far the process has come.

another sign is president elect obama. he is of high integrity (5th density wanderer, but yet only vaguely conscious of that i would think) according to my research. i saw an interview with him and his wife on 60 minutes. he radiates such a warmth, down-to-earth authentic attitude/humor and peace as i have never before seen in any politician before. the difference between him and mccain/hillary in what they radiate is enormous. he cannot perform miracles alone of course. but he is a great sign of mankinds rising consciousness. he is the tip of the iceberg of lightworkers that have been working for decades behind the scenes, and it is a great sign that this tip has become visible in such an important "role" during such an important period (the period leading up to 2012 and the harvest).

i think we are currently seeing the downfall of the dark cabal illuminati and i think we will have huge changes in many governments during next year. i think there will be arrests and removal of the dark regime altogether within 2009. and a totally new system of wealth will be put in place together with the release of repressed "free energy" technology etc. once the dark cabal illuminati is gone the burst of change will be like a flood tide across the globe. all the repressed resources will begin to flurish. huge and massive changes for the better will happen almost over night. the main goal will be to equalize distribution of wealth/resources and to clean up the planet as much as possible from negativity and poison of all sorts. the et's will probably assist us even more openly on this once the dark cabal is gone. some say they will even land, but i don't know.

hopefully there will be global announcements and information for everyone to be informed of what is going on. i tend to follow different channeled messages i find uplifting.

the number of wanderers or "ligth workers" is so massive these days that huge changes are bound to happen. the level of mass consciousness has made great leaps this year (as more and more wanderers wake up) and this is bound to be reflected in the "mirror" of outside reality. it's like turning the light up gradually... darkness just does not stand a chance. it collapses both within us and outside around us.

love and gratitude,

sanat

[autolubitelone]

david said that august 16(i think, i don't remember) was the date of the beginning of the end for the illuminati. he stated that we will literally see the dismantling of the illuminati as the months progress. in my opinion, david is right.

1)the illuminati gets most of their money from media profits, movie profits, pornography, child pornography, music, weapon trafficking, drug trafficking, prostitution, child trafficking, etc.

however, people have been buying less albums and just downloading or streaming music. less and less people watch tv. people still watch porn, but they stream it for free instead of buying dvds and ordering video packs. people don't watch movies as much and just bootleg it. the list goes on.

svali said that this financial collapse was pre planned and orchestrated, and she was absolutely right. she then stated that when people naturally riot and complain, they will put their hidden prison states to use and use military force. after all the chaos, the enlightened will rule the nwo and the sheeple will be the slaves for all eternity. sounds depressing, but it will never happen. it is not the creator's divine plan.

the illuminati seriously underestimate the power and will of the so called ''sheeple.'' i think the positive things david has said will come true. hopefully russia does have the secret documents and will have a huge disclosure that will be the biggest shock americans will ever face. ''wait, a secret society that have been real rulers of the world who wanted to make us their slaves for their new world world or order or whatever you call it. lies all lies.'' that will be the first reaction in my opinion, but as russia continues to trickle out the evidence, their will be chaos and anger, and finally peace and fall of the illuminati.

the question is, when is this going to happen? i am surrounded by people who are brainwashed, who fight over religion, stereotype others, have lost their morals, and have completely forgotten how to use their intellect. i have been outsider for almost all of my life. i never really fit in. i mean sure i had friends and people knew me, but i never really acted like the other kids. thought the way people thought. i could be brainwashed, but i somehow had the ability to break my brainwash and reanalyze. now i know why. i am intelligent, i have been teased for it. now i know my intelligence was a god given gift and i cannot let it go to waste. my purpose is to spread love and knowledge.

sorry for the speech but i thought it would fit nice with my thread.

anyway, what do you guys predict will happen from here to 2012? do you think the mass public will finally find out about the illuminati and the politicians(who are involved) for what they really are?

[JetePlentuara]

i think if we cant get beyond the illuminati and their dealings, then we dont get the point in a way. heres a comment mr. wilcock makes that relates in my opinion:

"the earth changes are a superficial side effect. if all you can think about for 2012 are the earth changes, then you don't get it."

i think this attitude applies to not only earth changes, but the "powers that be" on their path to self destruction. i do think that whatever happens is going to be an important turn in the road, but when we are travelling this road, we cannot just keep focusing on one spot in that road, we must look all around and especially ahead.

there are so many beautiful things ahead for us! and it wouldnt matter if the illuminati or the whoever else, were there or not! we'd still be around, vibrating our love and light to ourselves/otherselves. and we'd still be on this road to 4d.

i believe david's predictions are true. and i also believe its going to be a big deal. at the same time, i want to focus my attention on the love radiating and the light bringing, not the planned or percieved chaos around me in this illusion. no matter what, its all still an illusion, right?

theres only 1 of us here.

love, love, love to all!!!!

[jeockammece]

''base your information not on rumors or speculation, but documented facts.'' -william cooper thats if you want to play with lawyers and the like... i can make some thing up right now tell you that it is the truth and you can click on print under file in your web browser and then you have documentation .

i could create several different websites using several different names slightly modifying
the information but still give you the same message just so you can cross reference it and have documented proof.

i was born and was given a name by my parents my birth certificate has the name in all capitals which makes me an artificial human being 'a company' is it documented fact or is it just piece of paper ?

is money a documented fact or is it just a piece of paper or plastic ?

if two people say that the moon is made out of cheese and document it and one person
disagrees and says its made out of sea shells who is correct ?

you go to the doctors with a health problem he prescribes you some medication and recommends an operation he cross references your documented blood results against his documented medical journal which he bases his diagnosis or opinion on, is what he is telling you truth ? or is what he is telling you based on money oops i mean fiction ?

whats the difference between a schizophrenic a genius and the general population ?
nothing really they all get old bored and die eventually

[Roxanjbra]

i saw sir evelyn rothschild was on the british news the other night. the fact that he was even on the news is strange. makes me think that something unusual is ruffling his feathers. then he runs out of the studio the second the interview is over, before the camera can even pan away. he obviously didn't want to be there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4kzd4roies

[Snocioncilm]

the hopi nation has a prophecy that you should look up about the events that have been unfolding for sometime now. it's very interesting to say the least. the message is basically that we have to return to being caretakers for the earth, we have lost our way.

[Snocioncilm]

whats the difference between a schizophrenic a genius and the general population ?
nothing really they all get old bored and die eventually

'senior member' comments should follow a positive line of expression.

i prefer to trust david's comparison of events to deagle's.

am i using documented facts? i trust my heart whether their statements are contrived or accurate.

worrying over events will not emulate positive energy. we are all about energy.

exit stage right!

[Arrecteve]

the thing about this secret group that is disturbing to me is that they are self serving, full of hate for one another. all they care about is power and control. which is a selfish illusion. people serving one another out of care and love is the real deal.

[vicgirl]

curous about this:

hopefully russia does have the secret documents and will have a huge disclosure that will be the biggest shock americans will ever face. ''wait, a secret society that have been real rulers of the world who wanted to make us their slaves for their new world world or order or whatever you call it. lies all lies.'' that will be the first reaction in my opinion, but as russia continues to trickle out the evidence, their will be chaos and anger, and finally peace and fall of the illuminati. if you read any of the svali interviews on david's latest blog you know that russia has it's own faction of the illuminati so what incentive would russia have to disclose anything...? the "secret society" is world-wide not just in america.

kelly

[autolubitelone]

curous about this:



if you read any of the svali interviews on david's latest blog you know that russia has it's own faction of the illuminati so what incentive would russia have to disclose anything...? the "secret society" is world-wide not just in america.

kelly

you also have to remember that svali said that the information she received(about other countries) might not be 100% true as she was a low level member. we really don't know which faction is where right now. all we can do is hope.