[fkisjjdhh]

rock and roll isn't evil it's just music... sure every artist goes through dark periods exploring the feelings they have but most of us grow up and get away from the darker stuff and start to write material that evolves into more than flated 5th's and diminished scales...

-i agree,except about what you said about the flatted fifth or augmented fourth. it is a device found in folk music from many cultures & in bartok (he studied his native hungarian roots in the folk-song format) but i know what you're saying- this particular interval is overused.

[beatrisio]

just wanted to send out a belated thanks to flachiefsfan for the information about the "heavy metal hand signal".

on a sidenote, at our family thanksgiving dinner, the kids (ages 9-11) were flashing me this "rock on" sign! they seemed to be doing it in a positive manner, so i just had to smile.

peace,
doug

[bellson]

i just heard the most unusual song.
the carpenters did a song called "calling occupents of interplanetary craft"
most unexpected.

[dodsCooggipsedebt]

hi all. wanted to point out a band to pajamabiker and anyone else interested. pajamabiker mentioned a song called "calling occupants of interplanetary craft".

this song was written and recorded by a canadian band named klaatu. a close friend of mine used to play me his father's klaatu lp's. just so happens his father and mother were into edgar cayce, atlantis, etc....

reading pajamabiker's post about that song really stirred up some good memories for me. thanks!

learn more about klaatu at www.klaatu.org.

peace,
doug

[pGJLweEw]

i had a klaatu vinyl album in the mid 70s. as i recall it was rumored that this band was a reunion of the beatles.

sometimes rock, blues and country lyrics are part of a single thread found in poetry that goes back to those who wrote the ancient myths. it comes from a vision that seems to be, on one hand, a particular vision amongst other particular visions. on the other hand, it would seem to be the opposite of the particular. it's sort of a practical joke of the general at the expense of the particular.

[Scukonaher]

i played lead and rhythm guitar in several hard rock bands in the 80's and early 90's. i still play hard rock on guitar, as well as listen to it. as a matter of fact, i put a few lead guitar riffs into "the heart of the reiki" last week!

whenever i hear any song, regardless of genre, the first thing i listen to is the melody of the music, without really listening to the lyrics. i love a great guitar riff, like aerosmith's "walk this way" or megadeth's "hangar 18".

some of my favorite bands include ac/dc, metallica and guns n roses. a few of the messages in their lyrics are pretty cold, but the music, itself, is incredible. as for me, i consider myself highly spiritual. i've never worshipped satan or took any lyrics seriously. i ended up leading a normal life by getting a master's degree and working as a therapist for at-risk youth.

and i still listen to hard rock....

is rock n roll evil, in your opinion?

how about hard rock? rap?

[cliceperperIa]

hi!
this is an interesting question. here are my thoughts about this.

as we move out of typical third dimensional thinking in an attempt to raise our vibrational levels, we tend to move away from viewing things in terms of "good" and "evil." that is because these concepts, which are dualistic in nature, tend to perpetuate the illusion of separation. ideally, (another term of distortion that implies one path is better than another) we are moving toward the experience of oneness. even "evil," then, is an expression of god, or the one, or the all that is experiencing all things.

as a musician, you understand the ideas of resonation and harmony. as humans, we "resonate" with certain people, certain ideas, particular songs, etc. it is interesting that you pay more attention to the harmonies than the lyrics. some might say the lyrics and then often the song videos are of a lower vibration than the music itself. another way to look at it might be to say that the lyrics sometimes (but not always) distort the "message" of the music. also (and i think this is the gist of your question) i do believe that some songs, scores, melodies, rhythms, etc. are of a higher vibrational frequency than others.

i agree with you - some of the most beautiful scores are contained within rock and even metal songs. some people find themselves attracted to a certain rhythm or harmony in some particular rap song, despite their best efforts to insist they "hate rap."

my teenaged son happens to listen to "hardcore" and sometimes "screamo" music. he finds himself constantly defending the music to some of his friends who think the music is "of the devil." interestingly, a lot of "hardcore" lyrics promote messages of oneness. however, some might argue that hardcore music contains little to no harmonies and therefore the "music" is nothing more than guitar distortions which are of a lower vibrational frequency than "pure" notes. hmmm, this is very interesting. i would love to hear your ideas about this!

i like to approach different kinds of music like different pieces of art. beautiful landscapes and still lifes are always beautiful to look at. but other works, which some might label as disturbing, are also valuable. edvard munch's famous the scream, for example, is always mildly disturbing to me, yet somehow comforting or somehow healing at the same time.

there is also the matter of the artist's perspective. writing music, playing music, painting, etc. are all creative experiences that might bring healing to the creator. everything then, has its place. the most violent, misogynistic rap lyrics seem unharmonious to me, but perhaps are healing to the artist who writes and sings them.

i would like to hear other people's opinions on what some may understand to be music that is of a lower vibrational quality. does consistently listening to distorted guitar lower the vibrational frequencies in our physical and etheric bodies? i suspect we are best served by varying the music we listen to. it sounds, flachiefsfan, that you already do this.

thanks for this question ... i can't wait to read more.

[Vedun*]

after watching an interesting video on sound therapy a while back, the main premise of the teaching was that sounds themselves are generally not good or bad it has more to do with the intent behind the sound, or a mix of both. sound and intent. so its my feeling that the answer to your question is that it depends. in most cases i would say no, but i would like to do more research on the topic...

i was watching a program about a girl who had a condition called synasthesia where she could see colors and experience tastes associated with sounds. she reported often seeing beautiful colors associated with certain sounds, but interestingly said she couldnt stand going to the local night clubs/discos with her friends as the music there caused her to see rather unappealing colors and giant black squares reverberating out of the speakers with the throbbing bass.

its an interesting topic id like to learn more about. my underlying feeling is that we are accustomed to certain sounds from a young age, and gain distortions towards certain sounds. some of these are positive in origin some negative. i think even the negative can have a therapeutic effect on some depending on their current distortion. i think its a pretty complex topic, without a lot of generalities, but i do believe that much of the music in the rock vein we have been accustomed to, acts as a kind of stimulant almost like a drug, and (this was also mentioned on the sound therapy thing) loud music no matter what the genre stimulates the fight or flight adrenaline response in humans automatically. this is not really a healing or therapeautic process -- generally speaking.

so basically what im saying is that i think there are negative/postitive/ and neutral forms of rock music, but that we have distortions towards certain styles for whatever reason, perhaps we like certain sounds that resonate with the chaos around us at this time. i suspect there are forms of music incredibly healing and spiritual, that transend physical reality, that we have not yet really tapped into fully. we have only scratched the surface so to speak.

[Vedun*]

for the record i also love rock music! led zeppelin is my favorite rock band, i also love megadeth -- hangar 18. that whole rip album is pretty amazing...i teach guitar lessons and have always had a love of music...im trying to learn 'take no prisoners' right now on guitar it is a challenging song! so yeah, music is where its at for me, but i dont enjoy some rock concerts to tell you the truth where i just get my ear drums blown out, and that is an example i think where the approach could be done much better i think generally speaking. i like to be able to hear the ~music, the local folk fests and such is where ive seen some of the best live performances, for me music is more of a spiritual thing and id like to inspire people that way..

im still searching for a different/new vibe kind of thing, but ill always love rock music. i think some of the energy there is definetely a mix of positive and negative, but the path we seek in fact is the middle path, to embrace both the positive and negative is a healthy thing in balance i feel...ra speaks of acting out negative emotions on the mental plane instead of in actions not resonant with the law of one. therefore i think rock and many other forms of music can be a very healthy way of creatively expressing such things, in a manner which i feel in most cases turns out to be a service to others.

[Erunsenef]

there is no way i could be led to believe that any music is evil. i enjoy it all. i was raised in a very musical family and my father played every instrument imaginable. it is an expression/art form. myself, i enjoy the poetry of artists like jim morrison and john lennon, etc and the hard rock genre always seemed to attract me as well. it makes my day to hear a song i love! my mood always improves rather than decline when there is any type of music involved. music is natural i believe, and very therapeutic. people relax in different ways and all of us have had our emotions stirred by something we heard and felt was beautiful. i have many wonderful memories tied to great music. metal or mozart shouldn't matter, should it?

funny you should mention this at this time as a friend's band has begun to play the club scene near me again and i have found it a great opportunity to share some of my newly acquired knowledge with old friends, and i feel blessed by this chance to grow and share with them again. i am already reaping new rewards!

it will be interesting to hear what others have to say....but for me, i say rock on! you can listen to the more calming stuff when you meditate or shop. lol. unless of course that is the stuff you enjoy all the time.

something else, my friend feels like he "channels" (for lack of a better way of explaining it) sometimes when he is on stage, although he does not understand that fully....and i am not talking about possession in the dogmatic sense. any others?

wonderful question!

peace and love,
teresa

[Qeiafib]

just had to share this link!

having played this stuff for many years, i percieve a musical sensibility and technical prowess that belies young quinn's tender years; really an amazing phenom.

in tune with the concept of reincarnation, i can't help but note that this kid is the spitting image of...well, i'll leave that to your own interpretation!

enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhoo3jhnn3q

[DfrtYhyu]

rock n roll, rap, and most modern music comes from and is for the ego. you are affected by all sources of nourishment and if you choose to nourish your egos and lower self then you will only promote devolution. the great composers such as beethoven, mozart, bach, etc. transposed music from the higher spheres. modern music is a devolving form of expression. it is not for the intimate and infinite being. i know it is hard my friends but it would be wise to transition to a classical menu for the soul. it is difficult for one to attempt to outgrow ones lower nature if you continue to tempt it. slowly transitioning to nourishment from higher sources will only help you self realize and feed your being.

[Vedun*]

'the rover'
lyrics by robert plant

i've been to london, seen seven wonders. i know to trip is just to fall
i used to rock it, sometimes i'd roll it. i always knew what it was for.

there can be no denyin' that the wind 'll shake 'em down
and the flat world's flyin'. there's a new plague on the land

if we could just join hands

traversed the planet when heaven sent me. i saw the kings who rule them all
still by the firelight and purple moonlight. i hear the rested rivers call
and the wind is crying, from a love that won't grow cold
my lover, she is lying, on the dark side of the globe

if we could just join hands

you got me rockin' when i ought to be a-rollin'
darlin', tell me, darlin', which way to go
you keep me rockin', baby, then you keep me stolen
won't you tell me, darlin', which way to go... that's right

oh how i wonder, oh how i worry and i would dearly like to know
if all this wonder of earthly plunder will it leave us anything to show?

and our time is flyin' see the candle burnin' low
is the new world rising, from the shambles of the old?

if we could just join hands.

[bellson]

heard a song o the radio yesterday, didn't catch the title or artist, but the chorus caught my ear.
it was was "power to the peacefull"

[Flalafuse]

imo, rock/ metal music in itself is not evil, it is simply energetic.

any song, whether rock or not, may have a vibration which uplifts or moves in other ways.

some music brings us closer to home; uplifts; and some music may make us feel melancholic.

rock music in itself is not "bad"
it all depends on the individual song.

i know that classical music is good for plants; helps them to grow, whereas rock music has a negative effect on their growth.

however, we are slightly different to plants.

so i say it depends on the song itself, not the style of music.

i like eclectic music.

[Immerymopay]

hi. sorry but i did'nt read the majority of posts on this. anyway, i've been a completely faithful metal head all my life - with the exception of deep space meditation music. i'm 46 now and still have (the elite) metal cd's.

i'm more refined now and very selective. that is, underground metal. that's the real stuff (with the exception of ledz, those other bands are commercial watered down boredom, imo). for me it's tremolo-ed, atmospheric, mystical, vampiric, "satanic", pure screeching black metal.

now, i could'nt care less about the lyrics. and truly, even the best ears simply cannot understand the vox as it's produced. further, most of these bands are outside the us. they sing in their native tongues.

but as the original poster said, it's the melodies!

most of this stuff is....theatrical. the progressions are more geometric. and, it acknowledges the dark side.

i've done some of my best astral wondering listening to completely obscure bands from france, spain, norway etc. totally unknown (sometimes one man) bands that...are 3 times better than the bland crap that's pushed in our faces. you know them. and the stuff on the radio? that's as bad as it gets.
{ahem, i'm not talking about talent here. but this corporate "dumbing down" of real music.}

etc.

now, i'm familiar with sound therapy as well as the archetypes. and that everyone is different.

now why don't folks rant on scary movies or novels? well, born agains do.

i did hear years ago that the rock beat itself was tavistok related. you know, psi-op central. much of the stuff pushed in our faces was cooked up by the likes of these types. this is partly or mainly why the beatles (etc) got so famous. this is a sad fact. and rap (puke) is a part of it. black metal might be to. don't know but am being honest.

i think the main problem here is - like with anything - it can be addicting.

and the um, combined mystical-ness and paranoia in me sometimes thinks that metal based melodies (geometries) might resonate with archetypes or frequencies in which you'd do better without.
but junk food ins'nt good either. so it's balance, again.

also, it's probably safer to not blow your mind on drugs with this stuff.

we all know about the studies done with plants and water etc. how different genres of music create different effects.
well this should say it all. indeed. nevertheless, imo, this is where underground music comes in. or simply, well written metal. so even here, you can't paint everything with one big brush.

i personally think metal is a cultural thing. in a good sense i mean! i could'nt help note early on that black metal is mainly produced & popular in specific regions around the globe.

i have a black gibson sg btw.

[jobsfancy]

the question is: what changes does this cause in life forms.

i have done this study myself but instead of quoting a lot of boring statistics, i will pose a couple questions.

is the music discordant or not in harmony with nature? dose the music put you at peace, or does it make you strung tight like a guitar sting ready to release built up energy? the second is in preference for most people but they do not realize that anyone wanting to "pluck their string" "pull their chain" "instigate" merely has to invite something into the interaction that is in harmony with it. ie watch children after a kung fu movie and see how many start jumping around after the first one does. you may say "but i am an adult and not so easily influenced," this is true, but when someone finally is successful at plucking your string, you will dance with the rest. do you like being at one with the universe or do you want to be a puppet? do some research on human programming & music, and plants and animals involving music. there are tons of studies available online if you look.

are the lyrics uplifting and focusing on the positive or are they hateful or depressing or talking of things people do not wish to be in their lives? (remember we become and call to us the things we talk about and think about) you may say as many times as you wish that you don't pay attention to the lyrics, but the truth is, your mind hears it and creates a program to activate in your life based on it. music is programming. we become sympathetic to the frequencies around us. how do you want to be programmed?

the questions above was an open post intended to provoke thought and personal action and not a call to debate or conspiracy talk of subliminal music programming (although i have personally seen the equipment for such a technology). as for myself, i do not listen to commercial music but that is my own preference. the implications are obvious, the questions are for each one to answer to your own calling.

[freddystone]

heard a song o the radio yesterday, didn't catch the title or artist, but the chorus caught my ear.
it was was "power to the peacefull"

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are the lyrics uplifting and focusing on the positive or are they hateful or depressing or talking of things people do not wish to be in their lives? (remember we become and call to us the things we talk about and think about) you may say as many times as you wish that you don't pay attention to the lyrics, but the truth is, your mind hears it and creates a program to activate in your life based on it. music is programming. we become sympathetic to the frequencies around us. how do you want to be programmed?quote]

jaybird, you make some very good points. however, i think that perhaps positive sto people are likely to seek out and enjoy music that is of a positive nature or frequency.

looking at some of the lyrics that have been written out on this thread, it is easy to see that many "rock and roll" songs do have a positive message. perhaps these artists are here to deliver that positive message subliminally to those who have not yet awakened and, for those of us who have, for our enjoyment.

i know that when i hear a song that i like, i definitely learn and remember the lyrics and i sing along, it makes me happy. i think positive people listen to and enjoy music with a positive message, whether it is rock and roll or pop or whatever.

i agree there is a lot of music out there that contains much negativity, but, imo, that is not likely to resonate with anyone on a positive path.

it is unfortunate though, and i do agree with you wholeheartedly, that these negative messages of hate and war and anger are influencing many of today's youth and the sts adults that enjoy listening to the negative words of some artists and it may well "program" them to continue on their negative path.

i suppose if you always had the radio on and let others program what you hear, you may have a point. personally, i have recently started to enjoy silence, but i digress, i do still love a whole lot of rock and roll.