[halyshitzob]

i´ve "seen" many tipes of creatures with my mind the one that scared me the most was a sort of fallen angel, it had black eyes with no white in them and long black hair i saw it at night ,i instantaneously fell into panic incontrollable a couple days later two boys died in an accident where i saw it
(coincidence or not), i´ve also seen yellow eyed and red demons, black demons.
read about demonology(solomon greater key) if you´re interested there are plenty of them,
they´re divided in legions with lucifer as the prince of all, maybe ufo are the same as demons.

and no one should be afraid maybe they will all repent and be good when they are locked up for a thousand years lol.

[bestbyV]

that was a beautiful story about the plants btw. i think it is of note that many sources recommend the planting of bamboo if you want to block of negative energy from a specific direction.

eventually i'm going to write something up about my experiences with evil. it typically doesn't take the typical for of a psychic attack, having rather been localized in my body, specifically my right foot and maintaining a presence there. i recognize evils existence. i have however, no longer fear of it at all.

always been very difficult to explain or understand. i am simply thankful that i found god and now i have very little fear, and this force is quickly leaving. i am certain i will be able to become completely purified.

[Immerymopay]

hoi jma, did you follow the formal evocations (preceeded by formal invocations etc.) as found in the key of solomon?
i was going to work with goetia but had second thoughts (may try this or the heptameron someday). i
guess it's safe to assume there's quite a spectrum as well as hierarchy - tho i don't mean unified under one dark god.
tradition has it that these are all aspects of the (instinctual) lower nature to be integrated. ala kabbalah.
this is as far as spirits found in traditional grimoires goes tho...

many or most times, what you perceive to be happening is your imagination's effort to interpret the event.

guess i'm lucky that i've never experienced a full fledged attack as described above, straight. in my days of heavy drug experimentation i can easily say i've been through absolute hell. from et's to "demons" to my own shadow.

many are simply out for a feed or even a piggy back out of where they are. running water seems to be a good but mild form of banishing; not for strong entities or (prior) possession.

as i've mentioned repeatedly in other threads, it's energy levels. that is everything. problem for me is when i'm overtired. it's just yet another day of relentless negativity.

energy levels and discernment.... i'll take both please.

[halyshitzob]

no, i have read the goetia and how you can create a magic rod such as moses did, command demons to do your will.
i would never attempt this on my own.even if i had a teacher who knew about magic i would personally rather steert clear of this.
but apparently solomon had a knack for enslaving demons and making them work for him, to each their own.

[Quonuttott]

hi everyone

i've just been on a thread i posted (about the maharishi effect) on a certain conspiracy forum and the cynical bunch are saying that such practices are ways for demons to possess us and maharishi was a member of secret societies.
give me a break!

even if he was, it doesn't mean it was bad. in any case, it's only the few at the absolute top of the pyramid who are the real bad guys, not the others.

i basically replied, that if you look for the bad in life, you will find it.


i have this theory.

if demons do exist, i feel that they are probably just lost souls, or energetic projections of our subconscious. and the spirit can take any "shape".

if people focus their thoughts on demons a lot, they are more likely to encounter them in the astral.
those who don't feed them with their thoughts or fear are less likely to.

secondly, if you feel that all consciousness is, ultimately part of one- then it makes sense that these "demonic" entities people speak of were once a part of this same one.
therefore, they are a part of us. they are the darkest possible aspect of us. if we ever want to permanently overcome something, we must first understand what made it that way in the first place!

by labeling this and that as "good" or "evil", people create the delusion that there is a necessity to fight, and hence the age old battle. but by fighting it, what they don't realize- is they are actually feeding it.


imo, any demons/ hell that do/ does exist.....could well be a form of illusion- the sum total of negative energy of the collective consciousness.
they aren't the true source of "evil".
it is a mere reflection.

we have to start by understanding it.
we have to learn to understand every part of ourselves.

gosh, i have so much more i want to say on this subject!
for example, how upset it makes me feel to hear people constantly judging others.

for example, the way people view terrorists.
terrorists aren't "evil", they are simply following their own form of illusion they are under the control of. everyone has their own form of illusion, in some way. somewhere in a terrorists mind, they really believe they are doing the right thing, or they wouldn't be doing it. and i don't think that qualifies them to be a coward either! gee!
of course, taking another human being's life or harming them in any way is totally wrong- anything which abuses the free will of another.
by becoming it, we don't solve it.
we can only hope to transmute it.

anyway, it's late here- i should get some sleep, and i'm rambling. but, being gemini, i always feel the need to communicate a lot about stuff- and the way i find easiest is writing/ typing!

gosh, i really wish i could wake the world up somehow.

i have all this energy swimming around at me inside, that i need to do something to change things, to play a big part in making a difference in the world somehow. i've always felt it.
is it just a fantasy?

i have all this energy trapped inside, yearning to get through, and nobody to talk to about it who understands.

i find myself yearning to be with like-minded people every day of my life.
i feel it so badly it causes me great pain.

i find myself easily falling in love/ infatuated with those i admire, who i could never be with, and on meditating upon this i sense it's to do with being a part of some "group soul".

but how the hell am i going to find other members of this group soul, who i can physically be with?
do i need to just put more trust in fate?

i find that hard....having faith.

[CHEAPPoem]

hi everyone

i have all this energy trapped inside, yearning to get through, and nobody to talk to about it who understands.

i find myself yearning to be with like-minded people every day of my life.
i feel it so badly it causes me great pain.

i find myself easily falling in love/ infatuated with those i admire, who i could never be with, and on meditating upon this i sense it's to do with being a part of some "group soul".

but how the hell am i going to find other members of this group soul, who i can physically be with?
do i need to just put more trust in fate?

i find that hard....having faith.

this last part struck me as ironic,in that by posting this you -are- getting through!

but i can completely understand were you are coming from, i see some of my friends and family whom just walk around in fear all the time,makes me wanna just shout and tell them to stop being afraid. unfortunately they would probably not understand me doing this

any in case,if you ever feel the need to connect with someone with a like mind,feel free to pm me and you can lay it on me

-lance

[Izzy]

back in 93, a friend put me into a hypnotic trance. i had a session with the "masters" that lasted for 60 minutes. i wrote about it in my book - private mail for that - anyway...one of the interesting issues that i was told that there were two classes of emotions. the one was freedom based - it was not often thought about as an emotion because it was "light". the other one was fear based. thats the heavy stuff. they said that the intellect should be sensitive to all emotions, acting on the freedom based emotions. the fear emotions were to be guided by the intellect that has the role as a coach or guide to show the fear emotions that there was never anything to be afraid of. i have tried to challenge the wisdom of this model and it still works wonderfully well. so the first part of your sentence is answered, not the next. demons. do they exist? that is up to you. i don't have any. thats my choice. negatively polarized entities exist, that i know you know but thats not some that is yours. they might attack you but you do not own them. again words are funny things. what kind of pictures do they make for you when i say, "your demons"?
mike from norway

[Immusaatmonna]

amelie,


i've just been on a thread i posted (about the maharishi effect) on a certain conspiracy forum and the cynical bunch are saying that such practices are ways for demons to possess us

this is the sort of thing my kids' father says as well. he tells my son that yoga is demonic.
i think this is interesting. to me it reflects that people feel quickly out of their element and key into fear when doing spiritual explorations. it also shows that people, as one of my favorite spiritual authors, david hawkins, says, are basically unable to discern truth from falsehood.

the antidote, i think, is to feel a true and strong connection to god and to have an experience of the goodness of god, so that one understands the difference between good and bad. one of my favorite old testament sayings is "woe to those who do not know good from evil, who cannot tell bitter from sweet, etc." this is really the human condition. you'd think we could tell bitter from sweet but we are really confused!

i definitely agree that one is vulnerable to these entities, or to the fantasy of them, the more one's own inner world is filled with conflict and fear.

[patrycjakolekk]

hi amelie, i read your post and when you described how you had been feeling, i thought that i could really relate, so.

i know that feeling.. such as when as you're going about the day, you witness conflicts, dramas, or ignorance in other people (those people being the ones that "don't understand"). and it's not just that you feel like their struggles could easily be doused with a clearer head and awareness, but if only you could instantly transmute that 'cosmic awareness' of yours to them, so they could then see how simple it is to be happy.

people must go through their own processes, or transitions to awakening their senses and realizing what it is that we are experiencing here. i don't mean that there's nothing you can do - because you can be a spark to their search, or a part of their discovery.
a lot of the time i will get this feeling that i'm alone, since i too really don't have many people who see things the same, in my daily life. it's not that i feel alone in the world, because i know my life will take me to many places eventually, meeting many people, and over time - reaching that point i yearn for already.
i'm always thinking to myself how better it would be if our societies would wake up from their blunders, and dazed confusion. but i think that many of us are still young and possibly unprepared for that - but that's it. we are being prepared, individually and collectively. on top of that, i feel that not only are we as beings being prepared and awakened, but everything around us.. so although it may seem sometimes that things might get worse.. well, out of chaos, rises order. i think that although we're all walking a different path through the same woods, we're about to end up in the same clearing! to me, the only thing to really worry about.. is forgetting about the food on the stove.... which i seemed to have just forgotten about again

you say that you have a lot of energy trapped inside, yearning to be part of the wave, the movement - and you are! whether this is apparent to you in this physical realm, could be a matter of a universal 'test'. don't let it cause you pain or regret, rather smile and embrace the transition you are making. it is, after all, through determination, motivation, devotion, etc. that we finally get to that point along our paths.

continue to follow this path and be grateful you have your eyes wide open, it will only get better, and remember that we are all here to help each other.

[Quonuttott]

thank you for sharing your kind words.
i am beginning to feel a lot less alone, even if it is only over the internet.

[freddystone]

i've just been on a thread i posted (about the maharishi effect) on a certain conspiracy forum and the cynical bunch are saying that such practices are ways for demons to possess us and maharishi was a member of secret societies.

your clear intent in any given act is what empowers it. i couldn't imagine many people doing this with a malevolent intent.

if demons do exist, i feel that they are probably just lost souls, or energetic projections of our subconscious. and the spirit can take any "shape"......
imo, any demons/ hell that do/ does exist.....could well be a form of illusion- the sum total of negative energy of the collective consciousness.
they aren't the true source of "evil".

this is definitely true for the majority of what we consider to be negative or evil. speaking from experience, i guarantee you that true evil does indeed exist. it primarily shows itself in two different forms. the first and most common form is the one ra talks about a lot, and it's primary tool is deception. they often put on a front of whatever qualities you are looking for, to deceive you and ultimately overpower and enslave you.

the second form is much more insidious, and it's main function is to terrorize you, because it feeds on your fear. i'll relate an experience i had with this type, and i warn you my story has the potential to create and magnify fear, so please don't read the rest of this post, if you wish to avoid this. i didn't even believe these beings existed until i encountered one.

i was with someone who wasn't fully anchored in this dimension. she could easily bring out portals into other dimensions, and i always thought that was pretty cool how she could sometimes see into other dimensions, and describe them etc. the problem was, she didn't have very much control over this ability.

we were driving past this old abandoned house that i had an eye on, because i had delusions of buying it and remodeling it. on impulse i pulled into the driveway. we got out of the car and she immediately said, 'there's evil here!' i said flippantly, that's ok because because i don't believe in evil.

she refused to go in the house, so i told her i'd have a quick look and then we'd leave. i stepped thru a broken window frame and immediately it felt as if somebody jumped on my back. i tried to get it off, but i couldn't see anything. at this point i decided to get the heck out of there, as fast as i could.

now, i don't scare easily, but the hairs on the back of my neck were standing straight up, and it felt like there were bugs crawling under my skin as my nerve endings freaked out. i could actually feel it feeding off my fear, like it was sucking the life force right out of me. my blood felt like it turned into ice in my veins. by this time i was back outside and with a herculean effort i finally dislodged it and got it off my back.

as soon as it left me she started screaming and getting hysterical, and i realized it was on her. she kept feeling her face, screaming "my face! my face!" i gathered all my energy and asked for higher assistance, and finally got it off her. the sheer terror this being evoked is totally indescribable.

i asked what what was wrong with her face because it looked normal, but she was convinced it was covered in blood. we ran to the car and started driving off, but she looked into the mirror to make sure her face was ok, and immediately went ballistic again. i finally realized she was seeing this entity in the back seat.

i asked for help again at this point, and i knew immediately that i had to get to the water. there was a lake close by and i drove straight there. we went right for the water and it went the other way. whew!

we were gathering our wits and trying to calm down, when one of the angels showed itself to her to comfort her. i couldn't see the angel, but i felt its presence.

i learned a few things from this encounter.
*evil does exist!
*help is available when you ask for it!
*you're never given more than you have the ability to handle.
*help is always available!

[FreeOEMcheapestPHOTOSHOP]

i do not fear 'demons' anymore.
personally, i am tired of 'fearing' anything.

i am simply going to 'trust' my spirit guides/helpers/guardian angels/whatever to 'protect me'.

i firmly believe these beings (guides) do exist to to do just that.
they are there to warn us, teach us, protect us, and so on.

at some point we must simply let go and learn to trust.
the old saying: 'let go and let god' applies.

when i say that i want you all to know that i am not a 'believer' in god like they taught us in religion.
i simply mean 'the source' of all things.
let go and 'see' what happens.

life in general is really opening up to me in the last couple of years.
it is finally starting to fall into place.
i have no clue is this is my last carnation but, i have come to the conclusion i am on the final stretch in that regard.

[Quonuttott]

wow, supermanny, that was quite an experience!

do you think the vampire myth may have stemmed from 4th dimensional negative beings such as these? do you think they are reptilian?

i also agree with you- help is there is you ask for it.

love.

[poRmawayncmop]

wow. what an amazing story.

i recently had an experience where i definately felt a presence right on top of me while i was lying down. it didn't attack me or anything and it left rather quickly but i felt the same way you described in as much as all the energy was sucked out of me. i have to say, i was rather freaked out. i was freezing cold that entire night as well.

i don't know if it was evil per se but it certainly wasn't good. i was thinking after that perhaps it was just my fear because i had never experienced anything like that before, but i'm still not so sure.

what i really wanted to say was when i read the things that you said you learned from your encounter...

i learned a few things from this encounter.
*evil does exist!
*help is available when you ask for it!
*you're never given more than you have the ability to handle.
*help is always available!

...i got goosebumps all over.

such incredible words of wisdom. it really affected me. i guess we can even learn from evil if you think about it. i now realize that it is always there and can descend upon us at any moment but we need to not fear it, thereby feeding it, but ask for help to overcome it and we shall get the help we need.

perhaps my encounter was all i could handle.

thanks for sharing your story.

l/l
kris

[Quonuttott]

evil does exist! i agree, but i also feel that darkness is only dark because it does not know the light.

[freddystone]

i agree, but i also feel that darkness is only dark because it does not know the light. absolutely!
try explaining darkness to someone who was born blind.

altho, there are those who have no desire to know the light. in this magnificent 3d world we have such a rich diversity that it's easy to look at things that are very much unlike you, and want to change it, or at least think that it's not as it should be. truth is, this world is very perfect according to the grand design of intelligent infinity that desires to experience all things. all is perfect. if it does not appear to be so, it's simply another opportunity to learn, experience and grow, that is presenting itself to you, for the glory of the one infinite creator.

all is perfect.
all is one!

blessings of love, peace and joy!
~manny

[HedgeYourBets]

your post really resonated w/me since i too struggle w/the frustration of watching everyone around me seemingly waste their time w/frivolous drama and unhappiness that is completely of their own making. i think i've learned a few things from feeling this way. i have to remind myself continuously that each must walk their own path to their own awakening. do not think that you are alone and that you are not playing a big part in changing things! let me give you an example from my own life. my family and i used to live in the most ghetto @$$ trailer park you could ever imagine here in alabama. drugs and various forms of abuse were the norm. imagine being an empath and living in a place like that! uggghhh. well, to me being poor is no excuse to have ugly surroundings, so i plant things everywhere! my front yard ended up looking like something close to a rain forest w/flowers and vines covering up as much as i could get it to cover up. well, w/out having to say anything to anyone, we noticed that one by one more and more tenants started to attempt the same thing. it was the most beautiful sight! hanging baskets, little gardens started popping up all over the place. our landlord really hated to see us leave. and i left everything that i planted for the next tenant to enjoy. i do this where ever i live. i even noticed that a few tenants started venturing outside more and were talking to other tenants, and to me, asking about certain things i had planted in the yard. i didn't realize so many children lived in that decrepit neighborhood! so amelie, my point is that you do not have to go out and actively try to change anything. just live your life and your truth and you will change people. it may not be the people you would like to change, but the few that are ready to see the beauty that resonates in your life will want that same beauty for themselves. our energy affects our surroundings whether we are aware of it or not. all we have to do is just "be". as for the demon thing..i think there are negative entities out there. i look at it this way, if someone was an abusive bully in life, then it's possible for them to hang on to that identity for awhile after they die. i've wondered if the less experience a soul has in dealing w/the human body, the more likely this is to occur. i just don't know. but i do know that the bully on the playground typically doesn't pick on the kids who are not scared of them. that's no fun. so when i feel a not so nice energy around, i absolutely do not fear it. i approach it like i would a child, by maintaining firm, but loving boundaries (i actually got this advice from a really old lady named muriel in a dream..after she gave me the advice, she transformed into a purple vapor like cloud and dissipated away). i wonder if manny had a seed of fear planted in him by the comment "there is evil here". that's all it takes. if you've ever watched ghost hunters or ghost adventurers, notice how the people who feel their house is haunted by a demon are scared out of their wits. holding bibles and reciting certain passages as if....well, if doing that eliminates their fear....ok..now i'm rambling! i hope this message finds you having a super day ameliejolie! lots of love, krista:d

[XzBZB2UV]

fear is meaningless. why would you take it seriously. laugh it out. it's the moment that you can't be that you call it fear. meaningless.

[Immerymopay]

that does'nt sound like goetia. more like the 6th&7th books of moses or sword of moses. and with goetia you "need" all kinds of props like circle, triangle, seals, mirror etc.
no matter. veterans say you've gotta do this just right or get the backlash.

but these are supposedly aspects of ourselves. it's like an archaic depth psychological art form.

and what about abremalin? this is the work that supposedly get's one in touch with their higher self. tho they call it holy guardian angel. it's a very demanding effort.

well, i got very lucid last night and hope to stick to that!

[arrasleds]

fear is meaningless. why would you take it seriously. laugh it out. it's the moment that you can't be that you call it fear. meaningless. this may be so while in spirit, but on earth fear is a protective mechanism. if you do not fear anything on earth...'at all', then there is something wrong with you somewhere. simply walk up the steps of a guillotine awaiting your impending demise, and you know what fear is all about. fear is a natural thing, a primal thing, and i doubt very much that this could be laughed off.

in my understanding, even so called 'evil' entities do not prostrate themselves to a god who would stand for dissolution instead of evolution. so, even those entities seem to believe they have a future. that 'could' actually indicate that these entities could have been 'placed' by a higher power to create friction. we cannot fully find realisation and grow toward the creator, if we have not got anything to react against.

as for, should we fear them? the answer has to be a resounding no. fear being the opposite of love, it must not be given way to. the emotion of fear cannot be hidden from spirit. they will know whow you feel, so there is no use pretending. you have to grow towards knowing there is nothing to fear, and demonstrate this knowledge. it should be the basis of your awareness.