[attanilifardy]

to vithar. i liked the information you gave, and have checked out the irish connection etc, but even though there's all these stories about who jesus really was, it's irrelevant to the actual existence and mystery of the shroud. it's still a physical artifact, and the scientists have been going all out to solve it's mystery. it's a shame you haven't seed the video, because it's gone into in detail. they have found properties in the shroud that are of unknown origin. it's authenticity seems beyond question according to all these mainstream scientists.

they are stumped. they don't know what to make of it. i am so unscientific that i can't even begin to understand what they're talking about (a two dimensional object with hologramic properties) but i catch their excitement and sense of exploring a mystery. one scientist said, "we are going where no man has gone before." anything that has the word mystery in it, i jump at. this is one among many many many.

[Quonuttott]

perhaps, vithar.

but after watching the videos, the whole thing seems so mysterious.....

[Quonuttott]

i believe that jesus lived, although he probably went by a different name.

i just think the biblical story was altered to suit the agenda.

we live in a world of confusion right now, the key is just to listen as much as we can to what's in or hearts.

[Longwow]

dear amelie

i can understand your frustration in trying to figure out what is, or what is not.

the following is only my particular take on things.

one problem with using the gnostic writings as a guide is that they are often done in a very guarded, disguised manner that must be deciphered; this is often evident when some of the illustrations take rather bizarre turns that don't seem to make sense other than the writer was off in la-la land. this sort of indirection smoke and mirrors is understandable because the gnostics were being persecuted even unto death ... as the quaint term goes.

although hostile crititic's claim it is flawed, the book, the jesus mystery, examines the inner/outer church struggle between theologies, where the "literalists" (the bible says it, i believe it, that settles it people) decide to wipe out those who have an expanded, non-literal vision of the person and work of the christ.

a later, follow-up work by freke and g. ?) was originally called jesus and the lost goddess (sounds like a 1950's jungle adventure movie )

a very close critique of paul's account of jesus can be found in the jesus puzzle by a canadian scholar. what i found out surprised the heck out of me. i eventually ended up studying myself out of orthodox christianity.

there is another look at the jesus life story question to be found in a radical but powerful "gospel" work called the talmud of jmmanuel ...i found that a couple of years ago in a discussion on divine cosmos... in this version jesus does not die on the cross, and the orthodox biblical account -- cobbled together a century or so after the fact--makes an understandable but dumb mistake in picking the wrong judas to blame.

i'm not suggesting you spend a vast amount of time to read these books, but rather check out the synopsis and reader's comments on such as amazon for the general drift of insights the works offer.

look, emily, glory in your confusion...as that is exactly where you are supposed to be. remember, the ra suggests that a vital criteria for making the "cut" is possesing the negative positive of realizing that one doesn't know anything whatsoever concerning spirituality.

the usual amenities, etc. billybobdumbbell

ps please keep in mind that "jesus" is only one descrete expression in that time/space of a larger soul complex. the jesus -- according to the ra complex -- is busy pursuing the principles of wisdom in the early 5th. it doesn't seem to make much sense to me to get all bent out of shape trying to extract some hidden pearl of useful wisdom from the mere mechanics of his tour on earth. he came, he saw, he conquered...then went on -- up the scale so to speak -- to take care of pressing, personal business.

[Quonuttott]

thank you, bbb.

your words are very thoughtful.

i appreciate your time.

it is indeed true- that we don't "know" anything, when it comes to what is a fact and what isn't a fact.
a while ago they were saying that the shroud must be a fake, now we here differently from this new research.

who knows what next?

whether it is a world view or whatever, there always seems to be some evidence out there that will suggest otherwise.

so,
i'm wondering if there is another way to "know" something- when it comes to that which is important.

i intend to find out more about this.....this inner knowing, ou higher selves, our true intuition, etc.

and how to distinguish true intuition from fantasy.


love and peace.

[Mimsykzr]

starwhite, hello!

i feel where you are coming from about wondering how this group here views the talks of christ. i want to share with you why people like you and i find ourselves here.

i believe the people that are a part of this forum are some of the most highly vibed people of the 'love' energy. people like you and me are drawn to the science of this site and drawn to the opinions of 'why we feel things are changing'.

even though some at this site will tell you that you only believe what you believe because its pre impacted on you or its simply the level of growth your mind is able to accept at this time, most of them here are supportive for 'where ever your path has lead you so far, its meant to be for you'. there is much to learn about the life of jesus, and i for one keep this close to my life. i do thank everyone here for allowing me to grow and learn at my pace and not a 'pre figured' pace. some have been able to brake away into the higher level of understanding that we all can do just as christ has done.

i think most people here respect any wondering your mind leads you on, but with all do respect, they might give you their two cents on the matter. whatever comforts your soul or spirit is respected. although, some might let you peak into a higher understanding of what they feel should be understood about christ.

just like we respect everyone here, everyone here usually respects the new wonders and allows them to grow at their own pace (with a freidnly reminders that the law of one is what is the main study material). i dont think we are all supposed to be on the same level or ever think the exact same thing. what is important is that we recognize, who possesses the power of loving others unconditionally.i believe that is the purest light that shines forth from this forum. we all see the purpose and need for unconditional love to all of ourselves. a few of us might find jesus more important then others here, just like there are many who find the law of one more important then others here. but our purpose is the same, love the other selves more then your one self that you presently are in. many here live and breath to show others in life the power of love. that is why i am here.

also, mr. wilcocks work on science is pretty damn amazing.

peace to you,
lynette

[Quonuttott]

i am confused, why post links to support christianity? these videos seem to support that jesus christ existed and was crucified. i thought that most of the people in here are non believers in the christian dogma? am i mistaken? does not everyone in here believe that christians are brain washed and mislead to believe the highly questionable biblical version of the life and death of the christ? the term christ holds no value with our modern values, correct? am i right?

i think a lot of people, not necessarily on this forum but people who are interested in this type of thing in general, may have been influenced by the zeitgeist movie and such. i think it is an interesting movie worth watching, however i don't think it contains the whole truth. for me, it raises more questions. could it be that the stories in ancient religions mirrored the story of jesus....because they knew about his coming through prophecy? just a thought. another theory i tend to lean towards is that someone existed, a highly advanced spiritual teacher, but the story of him was altered to suit a political agenda....either way....we just don't know. but there is a lot of evidence that he did exist, even if his actual name was different.

in any case, if people are moved in their hearts by the teachings of jesus, if it helps them reach that higher place, an understanding of oneness....of unity....of love.... then in my opinion, this in itself is real enough.

as a child, i always felt very close to jesus, and i had one or two extremely powerful experiences when i was praying which i realize i was not simply imaging....it just came upon me from outside of me....i have not been able to induce such a feeling on myself since.... i cannot make it happen, it just did.
i use to get nightmares and i was praying for protection. i have always felt protected since.


love.

[zlopikanikanz]

the law of one creation story was amazing! i am still really new to this forum board, but i think it is amazing how the law of one is bringing everyone together.

i’ve been watching a lot of video’s lately and it doesn’t matter which video you watch, you can see the law of one present in each one, even if they contradict each other.

i recently watched a few short videos, the first one, secret quest – the path of the christian gnostics claims that “the knights templar and cathars faced brutal oppression from the church at the helm of powerful empire.” the next one, history of the cathars claims that the cathars were an evil group bent on the destruction of the world for cleansing in death and are going to return to combine 4 pieces of a scroll that was written by jesus and contained the proof that jesus was a cathar and had intentions of destroying the world. last there are the rainbow warriors that are going to “cleanse the earth for rebirth” and “gather four sacred directions”.

following the law of one we can see that all 3 of these views are probably correct. it just depends on what path you are choosing to follow will depend on the view you have. if we choose to follow the path of love, then we will become one with each other and our world and live in love. however this can go the other way as well, which again is why i think this forum is great, because we can help others awaken, to help them remember that everyone has a choice, as says the first law of distortion.