[IssuessBratte]

the two ra quotes i think are necessary are:

q: on this planet after the harvest is complete, will fourth- density beings be incarnate on the surface as we know it now?

ra: i am ra. the probability/ possibility vortices indicate this to be most likely.

and;

q: when the planetary axis realigns, will it realign 20 degress east of north to conform to the green vibration?

ra: i am ra... (omitted details relating to carla) there is every indication that this will occur. we cannot speak of certainties but are aware that the grosser or less dense materials will be pulled into conformation with the denser and lighter energies which give your logos its proceedings through the realms of experience.

both of these seem to answer what fourth density will be like in the material sense to begin with at least. (assuming of course 'when the planetary axis realigns' can be related to 2012 and 4d).

so we can assume that the basic structure of the world will be fairly the same. (we're throwing out illuminati info that they will be here and everyone else will have disappeared for the moment.) we can assume telepathy will increase quite rapidly, along with self acceptance, thereby making a lot of issues around love, and certain inefficient cultural concepts to be just forgotten. (seen most clearly in relation to sexuality i think.) also in the formation and competition within same sex groups.

we can roughly look forward to increased et contact. even without the crop circle communication being more accepting of them will help in free will areas.

just after the shift has been made, there will still be cinemas, transport, beaches, schools, institutions (including religious, educational and military), houses, et cetera. it would be interesting if there were people able to shift into a light body and back, but i don't see it for some reason.

what there will be however, the first bit of actual new information that has occured to me, with a less strong veil. those of fifth and sixth density origin will rapidly increase in understanding and knowledge, unless it is sheilded through pre- incarnation choices. the basic use of technology from sciences such as davids three book series, also combined with telekinesis and stuff that will, i think, slowly and surely develop. will leave a lot of people with a lot to do (service to others through the creation of technologies, the discovering and propogation of atlantean history, the true and harmonious understanding of esp related phenomena, including systems of e.g. astrology, healing and psychoanalysis and working on culture and planetary government. our planets government.)

i would be interested to know whether there will still be people who are closed off and watch tv and simply get on with their lives in a fairly mundane fashion. will these people be contacted, (please inform us if you would like to take a trip to any of the following extra-terrestrial locations). i can't imagine that section of the community to not exist?

[joe-salton]

where do you want to go? i have my ship waiting in near future

[WXQMQFIr]

i've just started reading david's work and i must say, it's more than just a good read, his work has reached inside and touched my spirit. sometimes i have asked myself questions about things that nobody else would understand and amazingly it seams that i'm finding the answers in his work. sometimes within days of pondering a question. unbelievable!!!

so, the other day i was thinking to myself. if we exist in higher dimensions as well as lower dimensions simultaneously, and from a 3rd density perspective we are able to see 2nd and 1st dimension. how do we see our lower selves? if say our 7th dimensional self can see down through all the dimensions and see me in 3d than how can i (3d me) see me in 2d or 1d?

[drgshmcm]

so, the other day i was thinking to myself. if we exist in higher dimensions as well as lower dimensions simultaneously, and from a 3rd density perspective we are able to see 2nd and 1st dimension. how do we see our lower selves? if say our 7th dimensional self can see down through all the dimensions and see me in 3d than how can i (3d me) see me in 2d or 1d?

hi ultramind,

i thought this might help:

"13.16 questioner: could you tell me about this first density of planetary entities?

ra: i am ra. each step recapitulates intelligent infinity in its discovery of awareness. in a planetary environment all begins in what you would call chaos, energy undirected and random in its infinity. slowly, in your terms of understanding, there forms a focus of self-awareness. thus the logos moves. light comes to form the darkness, according to the co-creator’s patterns and vibratory rhythms, so constructing a certain type of experience. this begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. this is the first density.

13.18 questioner: could you define what you mean by growth?

ra: i am ra. picture, if you will, the difference between first-vibrational mineral or water life and the lower second-density beings which begin to move about within and upon its being. this movement is the characteristic of second density, the striving towards light and growth.

13.19 questioner: by striving towards light, what do you mean?

ra: i am ra. a very simplistic example of second-density growth striving towards light is that of the leaf striving towards the source of light.

13.21 questioner: then how does the second density progress to the third?

ra: i am ra. the second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness or self-awareness. the striving takes place through the higher second-density forms who are invested by third-density beings with an identity to the extent that they become self-aware mind/body complexes, thus becoming mind/body/spirit complexes and entering third density, the first density of consciousness of spirit."

and elsewhere ra describes pets as second density beings that we can help to become 3d aware.

they way i think of it is that once the veil has been lifted and we realize that we are all one, then the rocks, minerals, crystals, water, reptiles, animals and everything else on earth are just expressions of ourselves (3d) in 1d and 2d. and even 6d and 7d "looking down" on us is really just the more evolved version of the one mind helping us strive towards that end. but because we are so conditioned to think of ourselves as separate and 3d seems to be archetype driven it's easier to picture a higher-self dressed in white robes etc. it's difficult to see the whole picture because as far as i understand it, the lifting of the veil is a pretty emotional process of losing your separate self, forgetting who you are (forgetting the people you love the most etc.) and merging with the one.

[HRS1H7gO]

what will happen to our furry friends when we transition to 4th density? our pets are 2nd density so my understanding is that they won't be able to be in 4th density. i know some will graduate into 3rd density. but what will our life be like without our companion animals living with us in 4th density? i also worry about what will happen to our pets when people transition out of this density... who will look after the pets left behind?

[dubballey]

i've just started reading david's work and i must say, it's more than just a good read, his work has reached inside and touched my spirit. sometimes i have asked myself questions about things that nobody else would understand and amazingly it seams that i'm finding the answers in his work. sometimes within days of pondering a question. unbelievable!!!

so, the other day i was thinking to myself. if we exist in higher dimensions as well as lower dimensions simultaneously, and from a 3rd density perspective we are able to see 2nd and 1st dimension. how do we see our lower selves? if say our 7th dimensional self can see down through all the dimensions and see me in 3d than how can i (3d me) see me in 2d or 1d?

the reason the 6th density higher self can see you is because it can time travel. if you could time travel, you could go look at yourself when you were a zebra or whatever.

[ManHolDenPoker]

what will happen to our furry friends when we transition to 4th density? our pets are 2nd density so my understanding is that they won't be able to be in 4th density. i know some will graduate into 3rd density. but what will our life be like without our companion animals living with us in 4th density? i also worry about what will happen to our pets when people transition out of this density... who will look after the pets left behind?

i don't have the answer, but i really want to know!
it doesn't seem fair that our amazing friends should be left out in the cold.

[Amirmsheesk]

oh you sillies! they wont be left behind! :d all things are divine!!!! they arent less valuable than you or me! they will be as well taken care of as we are. do not fret for the welfare of souls for it is against the laws of the cosmos for them to be neglected. we are all one and the only way for them to get "left out in the cold" is for everyone to have been left out in the cold, and that, my friends, just wont happen.

animals rock. they will be preserved eternally just as we. i dont know where they will be when the earth graduates and its "human" entities move into 4d, but i do feel comforted in the fact the creation has a beautiful order and will never turn its back on anyone or anything. i love my cat! hes my best pal! and i know that we all love our pets. they know they'll be ok and so do i.

oh, and dont forget that when we move forward and we get our memory back (so to speak) we will know exactly what will happen to our best of friends and wont feel fear for them or sadness. we will be happy for them and for the experiences they take with them. and we will be happy to have shared lives with them.

love!!! :d

[moderator wants to remind that this is the loo thread, and answers should relate to what is said in these books -thank you]

[effenseshoora]

i don't have the answer, but i really want to know!
it doesn't seem fair that our amazing friends should be left out in the cold.

the love that you have in the 3rd will always stay with you into the forth, which you will be able to manafest again, so that pet that you love, will be yours again..

buut... i could be wrong??......

[dubballey]

ra said that 1st and 2nd density remain on earth after harvest. it is only 3rd density which leave earth, because 3rd density are not compatible with 4th density vibrations.

1st and 2nd density are compatible with a 4d earth and so our pets etc will remain.

i see the role after harvest as being one where the earth goes through healing of the human scar that has been left upon it. animals play a crucial role in this process.

and obviously you can't have a planet without 1st density! so of course 1st density will stick around.

[HRS1H7gO]

ra said that 1st and 2nd density remain on earth after harvest. it is only 3rd density which leave earth, because 3rd density are not compatible with 4th density vibrations.

1st and 2nd density are compatible with a 4d earth and so our pets etc will remain.

i see the role after harvest as being one where the earth goes through healing of the human scar that has been left upon it. animals play a crucial role in this process.

and obviously you can't have a planet without 1st density! so of course 1st density will stick around. thank you! i couldn't remember ra addressing what would happen to our pets after the humans transition into 4th density.

[EbrsaRynleot]

i would looovvee to walk along with animals like wolves, bears... you know: **dangerous** animals. to swim with sharks... every single creature that has been killed for many reasons. i believe i should tell them by doing so, it is finally over.

by the way: anyone know shaun ellis? i do not think he is into spirituality but living with the wolves in the wild is to me, such a noble act. going back to nature with some of his companions. what will happen to people like him when the time of change comes? even if he is not awaken, he to me, diserve that ascension for such a great thing he does. he left everything to realise his dream, and for that, i congratulate him very much for such courage.

[EbrsaRynleot]

btw.

i believe some music theory can occur in the densities that can live in *harmony* together, like in this case, 4th with 1st and 2nd but not third.

think about music and notes. basic stuff.

let's say i play a c note. if you want to make a very weird and ugly sound, play a c with a c# or b. the half tone between them will have a huge tension sound in it. there is often one note in both of them that sounds louder than the other, and both of them generally stop vibrating faster than other notes that sound good together.

take c with a e or g. these notes have a good harmonic resonance. you can literally feel on a guitar the vibrations going together pretty well. the same rule applies on all of them. some are harmonious with others, and some are not. you can create tension with sound, which will most likely make a sound you'll dislike. i figured out that tensions in sound tend to suppress each other, instead of sustaining themselves for a while.
of course the best alliance you can get in sound is the root and the fifth and the octave.

i may be wrong or not explain it pretty well, but i believe this makes some sense to me, as i know music quite well, and it is quite easy to understand and imagine.

[irrawnWab]

hello,

if we believe, that we're soon reaching an environment of 4th density, i think, it might be helpful to have some imagination of living in a changed world like this.
are we having some clues about how living will be in 4th density?

off course we will not be able to anticipate very exactly and concretely, which way it will be.
but getting an idea of the change might help us to develope some kind of approach and steps to do into the right direction and reach the goal without being desoriented too much.

tnanx for hints or proposals..

geron

[wmcelesta]

geron33,
as you may know, the q'uo are part of the confederation of planets in service to the infinite creator, along with ra. they have been channeled by carla, the woman who channeled ra for the law of one material, for many years. this link takes you to the dec. 9, 2001 session. the q'uo offer a lot of info regarding fourth-density life through the social memory complex that will exist upon the setting of fourth-density. enjoy!

http://www.llresearch.org/transcript...2001_1209.aspx

peace and love in the light,
e.j.

[Olphander]

other than the core principles of it, i dont think there is any point in trying to ponder what 4th density will be like, other than just for the fun of it of course. the only valid answer that we could obtain at present is "unimaginable."

many people say things like "i hope there are still movies" or "i cant live without my (fill in the blank)" in 4th density, but thoughts like that are likely to be akin to your dog thinking "i hope there are softer collars in 3rd density" or "i wont have to mark my territory anymore cause i will be able to talk and i can just tell other dogs that this area is mine"

i believe that ra says 4th density is 100 times more harmonious than now....my personal limit on imagining a world more harmonious than now caps out at about 10...maybe. people with stronger minds may be able to get a bit higher, but the greater part of it will still be a mystery. we are like 2d cartoon characters trying to imagine a sphere.

just my take-
kensanwa

[GennadiyRom]

when we convert to 4th density, do we still have a memory or the memory of 3th density?

is there a time/moment that we can remember our 2nd and 1st density experiences? or maybe see the whole universe forming and the entire creation of earth and its beings?

cheers

[IssuessBratte]

i think we just kind of... grow in psychicness and eventually have the experience of everyone on earth. hence becoming less individualised.

what i was describing though in my last post, was not fourth density but the part after 2012 in my view. the 'transition period.' which is somewhere from 1 - 700 years depending on the numbers you go with. (i.e. david expressed that time speeds up by 100 times in this period which ra gave as 100-700 years.)

the relevant part of the first ra quote was, are fourth density beings going to be incarnate on earth as it is now? with the answer being yes, the fourth density bodies being created slowly through our bisexual reproduction process, having slowly changed through the nature of quanta to alien fourth density vehicles. it all brings in a clear picture in my view.

animals will be unaffected and still able to see us if we are in 4d. they were unaffected by situations such as the bermuda triangle (single dogs and birds found on empty boats). which david has given as the basic mechanism by which we translate to the higher frequency in the single moment.

just wanted to clear up what i saw as something not accurately stated in the previous post. i could be wrong of course, in any of this, and i largely don't mind either way. ascension or no ascension. although i do not want to be stuck in 3d for another process, which is what ra clearly said would happen to some folks.

that's what the 5d types are, all about the wisdom.

[pymnConyelell]

can anyone go into more details on the 4d negative/positive. differences, whom would go negative and whom would go positive? is there a seperatness!

[irrawnWab]

hello all,

one point, i remember with the transition to the 4th densitiy si, that there will be a shift from space/time to time/space.

how to imagine this kind of transformation, especially of our awareness, our ways of thinking and acting?

this seems to be a really major change and i got difficulies, to grasp, what that will mean.

anyone with an enlightening response on this?

geron