[77Dinaartickire]

just kidding...unless of course you're this
guy! :http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...4&postcount=63

i am not a contactee nor do channelings, i use my own mind, but work together with the nordics who suggest to me that wilcock is misguided in certain areas because a montauk type program is at work in his mind. he does not mean bad, he just does not know, but such programs can be de-installed by experts." this dude predicts a doomy and gloomy scenario for the future, in which he advises people to form small communities. he says he wants to help people by informing them, not scaring them. but when you tell people to go hide in the hills, you're going to instill fear whether it's your intention or not.

this encourages my suspicion of the prophet who fondles his crystal ball and sees that it's filled with fire...while perhaps not hearing the pleasurable giggles coming from the devil attached to it.


personally, i wanna see a stclair vs. wilcock debate, followed by a light saber duel.

questions, thoughts, concerns?

[BWJfEkOB]

i think the light saber duel would be the most important part of the whole thing

[L0KoxewQ]

and this in itself could possibly be showing the split in everyone's own realities.

[Vodonaeva]

hello all1

i watched the camelot interview with s:t clair in december 2007 and i did not get a good feeling from him. every time i listen to david wilcock i feel safe somehow but of course, since i've been heavily brainwashed once i have a hard time totally believimng anything a "guru" says until i have first hand experience.

for some intuitive reason i don't trust s:t clair. i'm an astrologer myself and some years ago i came across his astrology site and had the same unease at the time. i also think his references to pailins chart that she will become the president of the uswere very shallow and i for one would not want to have her represent me as a woman!! on the contrary, she represents the type of woman who acts out the exaggerated male side to reach to the top. in her speech she made some stupid comparision btw her as a hockeymom and a pitbull!! eeeeek

liliane the transit

[Vodonaeva]

h
ello again

i can sense some powestruggle emerging here concerning "who's gonna have the most followers" into the future. accusing david wilcock for being mindcontrolled by montauk is a hideous thing to say...although i don't like the project myself and also have breen mindcontrolled once by a meditationteacher....

liliane the transit

[JonnLeejsp]

that was a stupid thing for st. clair to say. it only makes himself look bad!

[MedicineForUs]

aren't the nordics a negative oriented race?

correct me if im wrong, but i do think david said theese are the guys that hitler was in contact with?

anyway, i came to realise that life is all about love, there's no doom and gloom unless you want it. and david is one of the front lightworkers and i assume we will see plenty more in the near future!

peace and love!

[Dyslermergerb]

ha ha ha! you know you are getting big when people start dissing you!

[kSmica]

in my own personal experience, there is some level of phycic disinformation that the bad guys have been able to achive. however, in my own case, when this occured i was able to see right through it like someone who was telling me a bold faced lie. they are not clever enough to veil it creatively enough to fool an accomplished intuitive.

i have seen them be able to completely throw off the dowsing results of a college and start to lead them in the wrong direction. however, they are so haphazard about the stuff they try to implant it, that it fits like a pile of mashed potatoes into the puzzle. it is very easy to look at the information in heinsight and discard it as anomolous. it is very similar to the information that someone channeling a mischevious entity would crank out.

in conclusion, the information that david has presented for all of us is in my opionion free of this type of disinformation technology.

[LarryG1978]

well that is a little sad in my view. i tend to look at serious intentions such as these from michael, for whatever motive, as promoting seperation as apposed to david's message of unity. this quite clearly is a parodox in itself because it defines the boundaries of duality (seperation vs unity) in this case. i for one feel that everyone has in it's heart a piece of the puzzle and that puzzle comes together when we serrender our differences as simply another infinite aspect of the one, you, me, all of us including michael.
still sad though................sylvain.................

[rxnixoncom]

i've watched the st. clair camelot interview as well. he has some valid and interesting things to say. as well he has a picture of and approach to the "difficulties" we are in that is distinctly his own. just like i do. and you all. and none of us really knows what is going to go down. as well, it is a huge world. what might not work for me in talent, oregon, usa might be totally appropriate to someone in australia, for instance. where the "difficulties" are most intense many of the things he has to say about self-sufficiency may be beyond appropriate - they may be necessities for survival. but a world-wide need for such an approach is likely inappropriate.

that said, and not being one to disqualify anyone's opinions for all time based on any one thing i might disagree with, i found the comment about a montauk type program being at work interesting. not that i believe the government (shadow or obvious) is messing with david, but david works in a field of intense discovery, and some of those who have tread this path in front of him have succumbed to what might seem some incredibly powerful and "negative" sources. negative greeting can be an intense thing, and it is likely not always simply in the form inconveniences within the physical reality, ie: having an important presentation to make with powerpoint, and everything is perfect until you go to release your information to the world, and then everything goes on the fritz. as in the case of edgar cayce, he was "misled" about many things, including an actual pysical pole shift, by a negative service-to-self entity name of... haliel, was it?

so, while i don't think there is a "program" at work, i do, and have, had concerns about how david wilcock identifies and handles negative greeting, and to what extent he challenges every item from any source, even those he is most comfortable with at this time. so to that extent i think st. clair may be saying something that should be heard, just in another form.

as always, let us seek balance and truth, and not by reflex ourselves choose to be "dissing" someone without deeper consideration of their views.

i am very comfortable with david and am highly appreciative of the coherence he seeks to provide about new understandings in physics and the nature of reality, as well as what that all might mean vis a vis 2012. but, it doesn't mean he is an incorruptible source. it doesn't mean his clarity is 100%. i must still apply my own discretion as well. everyone should always apply their discretion to each and every thing put forth, even from our most trusted sources. it is only prudent, and it is advice that comes from on high - trust your inner self. it is just as spot on as david's. as a matter of fact, for you, nothing can be more spot on.

[NikolaAAA]

as it's said in the book of tao (roughly), those who showcase their skills will become a target. i thank david for doing everything he has done, we aren't supposed to follow his teachings/books/articles like christians follow the bible though. some people do, and st. clair probably sees this and for some odd reason thinks that david will be some cult leader if he keeps this up.

you yourself are supposed to be strong spiritually, david wilcock and the other 'gurus', all the channeled information online and in books, even the world religions, are all like personal trainers at a spiritual gym, you still have to do the work but they are there for support and a general outline.

please note, i meant no disrespect in this post to anyone, your all loving people, i think you will understand what i meant here

[Vodonaeva]

hello all

thankyou for some balanced posts after my emotional ones. now drunvalo states in the interview light-eye recently shared that the "true mayan elders like don alejandro are going to edit their own book about the mayan prophecy and that a physical pole-shift could happen any day now, which also has been supported by 11 western scientists. no building on earth will be standing afterwords and mother earth will see to that only those who "vibrate from the heart" will make the shift into another dimension....hmmmmm, sounds like he's in contact with the guys that misled cacey.....

i went to a school in 1982 in the countryside where we learened a sustainable simple ecological way of living and have been aware of the powerabuse from multinatianal companies and corrupted governments since the mid 70:ties...only that my discernment was totally wrong when it came to the soviet union and china. of course i'm somewhat puzzled by david referring to cayce and that "the light shlould come from russia". i don't think any big light could come from any recent government in the world. i don't trust big, i think "small is beautiful", so i'm also into living in the countryside with pple skilled in different areas, just as we were in the school i went to, so i don't mean that all of s:t clairs ideas are wrong.

also i know how easy it is to be led astray the higher up you rise into the collective sphere whether it's spiritual and or political, especially if one has emotional unsolved problems like codepencency and compensatory need for approval, so yes david is only human, of course he could deviate into some negativity like the the rest of us....

gosh this really is a big test for me regarding all the pitfalls in my own life. i can honestly tell you that if it should show up that david should be channeling some negative greeted stuff to us, i would be devastated even if i know he is not god allmighty. but i've been through hell on earth already so i'll probably survive this also. actually it would be interesting to know how many of you guys who have been through similar things as me like a psychosis and many years of agonydepression due to dysfunctional upbringing, abuse from a psychotherapist and brainwash by a meditatinteacher who tried to start a sect. a poll anyone?

perhaps you guys even mistrust my posts because of this...or perhaps on the contrary you don't just because i went through it and came out on the other side..but you don't know me like you know david...and i don't know you either...we could all unintentionally have been negatively greeted into this forum..or perhaps we choose to be before we incarnated????

who in the whole wide world can you really trust? you should see my scorpio/plutonic/paranoic horrorchart:d but i'm heavily neptunic/idealistic too that smiley doesn't look sarcastic at all but dreamy..

i think i will switch mankind for animals totally, i already skipped men in favour of my wonderful shorthaired collie pajazzo...i trhink he'll even make it to 4d before me:d

liliane the transit

[Janarealiti]

who in the whole wide world can you really trust?

hi liliane,

there's no one here but you... i'd start there.

love and light,

3d sunset

[JonnLeejsp]

so, while i don't think there is a "program" at work, i do, and have, had concerns about how david wilcock identifies and handles negative greeting, and to what extent he challenges every item from any source, even those he is most comfortable with at this time. so to that extent i think st. clair may be saying something that should be heard, just in another form.

hi frank,

i agree with your point but it's interesting that st. clair doesn't realize that he, himself is also susceptible to the same negative influence.

st. clair acts, speaks and dresses like a member of the global elite and he is much closer to the hq of the bilderberg group than dw. he also brags about "advising high-profile clients in special situations worldwide".

it seems that he has risen himself above the station of the rest of us corruptible mortals.

stacy

[Vodonaeva]

hello 3d sunset

who can tell a yoke from a joke? or better, transcend from cosmic yoke to co(s)mic joke...i can, sometimes, and it saves my life for a while.

liliane

[Vodonaeva]

hi stacy

that's my feeling too, and how the **** can he say that sara palin is a hope for the world and should represent the coming feminine balance when she becomes the presi dent of america!!?? a republican, reactionary fundamentalist---sorry, but that's what i feel...something isd not right here,,,,,,,

liliane

[Janarealiti]

greetings liliane,

wherever one seeks humor, one can find it, and i, for one, seek it eternally. it frees the spirit and clears the mind. one needn't be offended either, for are we not always only laughing at ourselves?

3d sunset

[Qnpqbpac]

i listened to part of the interview and i do agree he does have some interesting thoughts. this whole idea of safe zones/safe communities (even though they tried to not call them that) just rubs me the wrong way. i never fit in in the exclusive country club community and get the same feeling here. (yes i am sure there are some wonderful already in existence communal communities, but these spur of the moment communities built on fear don't give me the same vibes)

while i would love to be living on a farm right about now and be in charge of my own food production, living off the land, etc. its just not going to happen. i also don't see me dropping everything right now and moving to a communal community out in the boonies. not to mention i can't think of anyone who would invite me and i'm not going to start one on my own.

i just seems like its all going to break down into three categories. those living underground, those in "safe communities" and the rest of us who don't have the opportunity/connections so we just have to stay where we are. how do they decide who gets to live in these so called safe communities? they talk about making sure that you are surrounded by people with various skills etc. do they turn people away because there are already enough gardeners/cooks mechanics or whatever. who decides if your skills are useful?

i do like the idea of being surrounded by like minded people, but i also trust that i am where i am for a reason. if for some reason it is time to move somewhere then i do trust that i will be given the opportunity.

i have had ample proof lately that my higher self is making sure that i am where i can serve the best. it has been rather uncanny actually. so that's what i have decided.

how are we going to raise the vibrations of the masses if we are all separated from them? okay yes i know we are all one and joined, but i still think it makes more of a difference if we are not completely separated.

jmho

take care all,
love,

megan

[Xqjfxmfk]

megan -
thanks for the thoughtful reply on this thread. as i read various articles and forums each week, i keep seeing the fear that is being generated about all the changes occuring. i can feel myself get pulled in this direction, then that, with the fear that if i just stay here, i will not be o.k. the latest thing i came across was someone very wise, with years of experience, going to advise me (for a nominal fee) where to put my u.s. dollars so they wouldn't be worthless. more fear. what if i don't check that out. we have been financially cautious even frugal for 25 years so we could supplement social security and take care of ourselves. now these changes will, most likely, make huge changes to what we thought would happen. i know i need to let go of the need to control what happens (fear). when i was reading this latest article about how this financial guru could help, i was overwhelmed with a feeling that this just was not right. his focus was helping a few to hurry up and plunk their money into something that would have a high yield. but it seemed to be at the expense of others that couldn't do that. that was when i thought - to he** with that. it was more of the same - "i must take care of myself". i can take care of myself without stepping on someone else though.

this stuff about getting into communities, safe places, etc. strikes me the same way. i also share the feeling we are where we are for a reason. we chose to live here, we haven't moved from here yet. if i was certain someone would drop a bomb on my house or a tsunami was approaching, i would certainly leave but am pretty sure i can figure out how to live in uncertain times with the skills and common sense i currently have. i feel sure that we will receive all we need to get through these times. we don't know if they will be severely hard or merely challenging but i know i am constantly surprised when i come out on the other side of some of the hardest trials of my life.

love and light,
shelly