[Vodonaeva]

hello metaman and enkidu

i did not "belittle" ian lungold, on the contrary as i said it was a very "instructive and inspiring" lecture and he seemed to be a very sympathetic, humorous and intelligent person. also i did not say that what happened historically was not accurate and in line with the mayan calendar, i heard carl johan calleman lecture myself in gothenburg...

what i said was that pple who come into this website and forum and are sceptical, like whitestar, can understandably feel sceptical about the predictions of david wilcock also when they watch this video, especially and more so because ian lungold seems so trustworthy. also ian lungold did not bring forth the idea that someone has "the absolute truth" and that everybody must bend to that....that's waht the catholic church did to the mayans actually....

i have not read about the phenomenon "other timelines" in davids blog but i will. to a sceptic that would seem to be a way to "explain away" that nothing happened

this is a forum where you're suppposed to have the right to speak your mind, be critical and true to your own thoughts and feelings, and that's also what ra states you should.

as i've told many times before on the forum i've been brainwashed once with catastrophical cansequences so i'm just being true to myself, not believing anything just because i read it or see it on the internet. all this said doesn't mean i "belittle" divinecosmos and david wilcock.

liliane transiten

[Fksxneng]

imho
the secret weapon if you will, the 'cure' is the remedy provided by the laws that enable one to assert ownership of their 'strawman'.

er...come again?

[Vodonaeva]

...and to tell you the truth i almost fell in love with the man, of course thinking he must already be in a relationship (but we're not supposed to mention things like this on the forum, excuse me my current venus/pluto transit) also that he mentioned vancouver the place of my astrocartographic paradise and a lot of other synchronicities, i was really saddened when i learned he was gone, which again doesn't preclude that i have the right to comment on his very precise predictions that did not occur in "this timeline". i suppose the man was not allmighty god, but human like all of us.

liliane again

[WaydayTew]

hey guys, the shift seems to be speeding up. more and more people are awakening to the shift that will happen in 2012. it is seems less and less people are being called nuts and lunatics when it comes to 2012. there is science that supports it, documents, experiments, whistleblowers, the list goes on.

the world will change for the better, and the evil global elite can only by time. there grasp over the people is slipping. there will be a fall of the government in some form or another. i have a feeling that something big will happen that will finally make the evil elite's grasp completely collapse.

there is also movie talking about the shift and i was shocked to see how much people believe in it, love it, and are welcome to it. the new science of torsion fields is completely dismantling the darwin theory, and the missing link is now know not to even exist. our destiny of enlightment will not be stopped.

here is the site of the shift movie, the global phenomenon that more and more people are joining.

http://www.theshiftmovie.com/home.html

here is also a cool blog that talks about this shift

http://sol.gaia.com/blog/2006/5/the_..._consciousness

sorry if i annoy, but that just want to express how excited and happy i am right now(for the moment).:d

[gniewkoit]

thank you for posting this. i watched the trailer for this movie and was highly inspired by it. the only problem i have with it is that it seems to promote al gore (a member of the global elite) as one of our "comrades" which to me at least, is a gross distortion of the truth. if he was really one of our allies, he would not have conceded the election he won back in 2000. he allowed a stolen election to go forward by laying down. many also believe that man-made global warming is a hoax perpetuated by the elite to keep us living in fear. i don't know much about the global warming phenomenon but since it's a hot-button issue which the mainstream media talks about constantly, there must be something to it that we aren't being told.

i also believe that as we get closer to 2012, we'll be seeing some major changes in the institutions that still keep us enslaved. only time will tell though, as the global elite aren't yet showing any signs of impending defeat on their part.

[WaydayTew]

thank you for posting this. i watched the trailer for this movie and was highly inspired by it. the only problem i have with it is that it seems to promote al gore (a member of the global elite) as one of our "comrades" which to me at least, is a gross distortion of the truth. if he was really one of our allies, he would not have conceded the election he won back in 2000. he allowed a stolen election to go forward by laying down. many also believe that man-made global warming is a hoax perpetuated by the elite to keep us living in fear. i don't know much about the global warming phenomenon but since it's a hot-button issue which the mainstream media talks about constantly, there must be something to it that we aren't being told.

i also believe that as we get closer to 2012, we'll be seeing some major changes in the institutions that still keep us enslaved. only time will tell though, as the global elite aren't yet showing any signs of impending defeat on their part.

hmm i never knew that. the people who i know didn't even buy into the global warming bull crap and are living their lives lovely. the global warming terror doesn't really seem to be working. however, i have seen people take better care of the environment around with compassion(not fear) more than ever before, so i think the evil elites plan failed somewhat. don't know if its worldwide though. but aside from al gore, the trailer is very inspiring and positive.

hopefully this movement reaches the 800 million mark.

[Vodonaeva]

hi

interesting fact is that in the mayan comsmology the downfall of powerabusing elites always occur during the venuspassage, that is when venus passes twice before the surface of the sun, and this happens only every second century or so. this time is between 2004 and 2012!!! i saw the 1.st one here in gothenburg and i hope the sky will be clear next time also. it refers to the myth of the serpentwinged "quetzalcoatl" who rose to power and misused it. then he had to start his redemptiontour across the nation and finally arrive at the ocean to resurrect like the phoenix. new means of communication is also precipitated during the venuspassage, it's speeding up no doubt.

saturn is now crossing virgo, the sign of the "working classes" or downtrodden. pluto has conjoined the black whole in the center of our galaxy in sagittarius and is finally entering capricorn for a long period when all fundamental structures in society will change...for the bettere i presume

liliane transiten

[Gskdmidd]

very beautiful to see all the good there is in the world and how the masses, rich or poor, are working towards a more peaceful world. i can look at this trailer and see there is alot of good in the world, more then ever.

[Goalseexere]

this really must be a collective vision beggining to form cos i thought about the whole 2012 thing as 'the shift' not 'a' shift, but 'the' shift. as in one big singular event.

[Scukonahuy]

november 14th of this year we will enter the sixth night off the current galactic underworld accoring to the mayan calendar. this is very significant. the previous underworld was the vibration power. all significant events had to do with power, good or bad. as long as you where working with power you could wield it however you chose to.

the current underworld carrys the vibration of ethics. this underworld started back in 1999. each day and night of this underworld is 360 days. during the first 5 days and nights ethics concsiousness has been systematically taking over for power. the beginning of the 6th night will be on the nov. 14 date i mentioned above. when we hit the 6th night we will be completely clear of any residual power conciousness. at this point the global power mongers will either suddenly figure out how to get what they want ethically or they will go down. either way ethics will take over.

[WaydayTew]

november 14th of this year we will enter the sixth night off the current galactic underworld accoring to the mayan calendar. this is very significant. the previous underworld was the vibration power. all significant events had to do with power, good or bad. as long as you where working with power you could wield it however you chose to.

the current underworld carrys the vibration of ethics. this underworld started back in 1999. each day and night of this underworld is 360 days. during the first 5 days and nights ethics concsiousness has been systematically taking over for power. the beginning of the 6th night will be on the nov. 14 date i mentioned above. when we hit the 6th night we will be completely clear of any residual power conciousness. at this point the global power mongers will either suddenly figure out how to get what they want ethically or they will go down. either way ethics will take over.

so basically the government will lose even more power?

[Alex]

november 14th of this year we will enter the sixth night off the current galactic underworld accoring to the mayan calendar.

i believe it is the sixth day....

starting jan 1999 in 360 day cycles is as follows.

jan99-dec99= day 1
dec99-dec00= night 1
dec00-dec01= day 2
dec01-dec02= night 2
dec02-dec03= day 3
dec03-nov04= night 3
nov04-nov05= day 4
nov05-nov06= night 4
nov06-nov07= day 5
nov07-nov08= night 5
nov08-nov09= day 6
nov09-oct10= night 6
oct10-oct11= day 7

the final cycle is 400 days (20x20)

oct11-dec12

i just finished mapping the entire calendar today. i am getting all of my results together with the timelines and interpretations. i will be posting the site with my compiled data on here in the near future.

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

[gardenerextraordinaire]

i have been working on an article that has been very difficult o finish - it is about the shift - how to describe the essence without creating too much fear. i come to some realizations. if the shift will occur in such a way that the old systems (fragmentation) are to be let go and we are to embrace the new (the law of one - holistic principles) on a greater scale, then there must be a revolution by the people. due to the time frames involved. it must happen now. i do not see this revolution on a grand scale yet. the question remains as to whether the masses chose to wake up now, or if they need an even grander scale of greed, destruction and violence against the masses in order for them to care enough to leave their comfort zones and participate on the street. heads will get bruised in the process. there must be an effort made by those waking up so late for them to become eligible for an ascension process.

personally, i feel that a "cut off" time is rapidly emerging. if the ones still sleeping are now on board soon, the train will leave without them.

there is, for lack of a better word, a sense of impatience by those waiting to push the buttons that will close the window of opportunity. in this small space of time left, no one knows what the other side will do.

there is a very special state of affairs going on that resembles a dilemma. the greater the violence and pain that emerges from the work of darkness, the greater the chances are for those sleeping, to wake up. and the greater the chances for the forces of darkness to take an even tighter grip on the lifelines of us all.

this is not the most appropriate time to preach to the choir. the choir knows what is going on. from my perspective, the world does not.
mike from norway

[Vodonaeva]

hello wonderer!

i like your name, was actually joking about being a "wonderer" until becoming a "wanderer" in that thread. was too quick to post a reply, had not read the link you provided yet some summary! david wilcock, barbara hand clow and the mayan calendar/quetzalcoatl in the same article! thankyou!

now, can anyone shed some light upon the meaning of the two dates dec 28 2011, the actual end of the mayan calendar and dec 21 2012 when the sun makes the alignment with the dark road, the center of our galaxy? there's a confusing debate going on which one is "right" with fractions almost like christians and muslims quarreling. according to carl-johan calleman and the mayan elders the important one is oct 28 2011, since that's the date the calendar actually ends, but that doesn't mean dec 21 2012 doesn't count. the whole ballgame in chichen itza is built on that date when the sun aligns with the galactic center. the ball kicked with the hip into the ring at the wall in the football ground was thought to "help" the sun make this alignment. (from mayan cosmogenesis by john mayor jenkins)

both are correct of course, the issue is how they are related and what that means. calleman was interviewed on redice creations (a radioshow in sweden run by henrik palmgren) where he states that the dec 21 2012 date is "but" an astronomical alignment. the mayan calendar is built on the human gestationcycle and has nothing to do with astronomy or astrology. this fact seem to have influenced calleman at least some years ago (i know from 1:st hand experience) that western astrology is "nothing" compared to the mayan calendar and "astrology". now that he works together with barbara hand clow he must have changed his view.

comments anyone?

liliane transiten

[Vodonaeva]

hi metamike

your take on the situation slightly reminds me of the witnesses of jehova and it makes me feel uneasy..."the chosen ones and the condemned"...at the same time i can totally see/feel where you're coming from....that's the main issue of living in the 3:rd dimension of paradox. the "trick" is to balance the whole issue inside yourself, to meditate over that state of our predicament on earth, to reach the state of mind where we can hold this paradox inside without projecting it onto the world....easier said than done....

liliane transiten from sweden

[Janarealiti]

this is such a wonderful site for so many things, but i am a little concerned that we focus too much on the transitory aspects of this process. the revolution, metamike, must be from within ourselves. with that in order, the outer world will follow suite. i do not know what will happen in 2012, or 2011, or next year, or tomorrow, and frankly i do not care. i do know that when my time on this 3d sphere is spent, that i will walk the stairs of light, and i will radiate as brightly as possible when i do, and hopefully, i will make the grade, and move on to my next opportunity.

we need to all remain calm and confident that all is unfolding as it should, for it is! there are no mistakes. we cannot outwardly force the world to realize our vision of the proper 3d to 4d transition, for it will not. indeed forcing it to, through any means other than ordering our lives and consciousness and radiating love and light into this world, could be counterproductive.

i am increasingly reminded, though, of one of ra's passing comments in book iii session 65 as don is discussing various prophecies and how wanderers aid in the density shift:

we may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. this vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? yes, my friends. it is not probable; but it is ever possible. what a wonderful thought, "our planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration"! this is my preferred revolution. to band together as a group to visualize this vortex increasing in size and probability until it is an inescapable eventuality.

3d sunset

[Scukonahuy]

you are right, sixth day. i new we where in the 5th night, just typed it wrong.

[rostpribru]

i want to reply to this whole post. people from earliest times in each generation have believed the world was coming to an end. didn't happen. lets take the story of 'chicken little' as an example. this silly fowl believed the sky was falling. and of course it wasn't! how many chicken little's out there believe 100% that in 2012 the sky will fall or we will be shifted into another dimension? you know what? come 2012 i'll be watching the sky cautiously but i tell you i don't believe it. i think life will just go on as usual. time may tell me wrong, but, we'll see! we are responsible for the evolution and well being of our planet here and now! be kind to mother earth. recycle, eliminate fossil fuels, reach out in love and care instead of hare and mistrust to your neighbor. we do make a difference.
doomsday prophets will definitely come and go, but please, don't let their silly ideas ruin your day.

[PerfectCreditForYou]

i believe in a shift.

if thought creates then it makes no sense to focus on doom and gloom prophecies.

let's all focus on the positive.

[Vodonaeva]

hello starwhite

well i surely cannot say i know for sure what's going to happen in 2012, but i can assure you from a strictly scientific standpoint that the chicken little will be proven to be right since the world is coming to an end the day our sun has turned into a red dwarf...


liliane the transit
liliane the transit