[XarokLasa]

thanks, moderators for allowing the discussion of this outside material.

in a way it's strange to be restricted on a site that promotes freedom, but paradoxes abound in this field. discernment is a key issue. if the moderators were not there, the forum could easily degenerate into negativity, given the fear surrounding the 2012 issue.

information conflicts, opinions vary, it's all a part of the soup. my feeling about the 2012 issue is that it's not going to be a big deal, like everybody seems to think it is. the shift is already happening, and i believe will continue to accelerate until whenever, and 2012 will just be a point along the way. i don't think everybody's going to wake up one day and be in the 4th dimension. that's just my own personal opinion.

i believe all the whistleblowers, i like hearing about the latest atrocity unveiling ( even though my heart bleeds for the vicitms), it's almost like an entertaining movie. i also believe in the opposite picture, that our collective consciousness will avert the projected disaster, that we have the support of unseen entities and we will do it, together.

what i liked about georg'es handbooks (and yes, i have read becoming) is that it gives actual doable instructions on how to collectively change the picture from doom to victory. i like that even though i am not part of any "group" right now (except this forum, does that count?) my continued consciousness raising and simple awareness can make a difference to the whole. i want to be of use, and knowing that helps.

so, thank you all for being here....cheers.

but i think we can both agree that everything is accelerating. whether everything will come to a head in 2012 or not is debatable.

and the problem with giving solutions, at this point, is that hardly anyone has woke up from the trance that american materialistic culture has put them in. you can't begin to solve anything until you figure out there is a problem. right?

we, here in america, are not as safe as we think we are. and we have so much negative karma coming to us that we don't even know about. because our government has been so secretive about the crazy stuff they are doing in other countries, and even here in our own. and we are partially to blame because we let them do it.

the wars can come right here on our own soil. this is lesson #1 that most people are still stuck on.

and once people start to take a little responsibility for their own government. then we can move on to step #2, which is solutions. but everyone in this country has to start turning the steering wheel. not just the 4% of us who woke up.

sometimes i feel like the only way i can wake people out of their mtv, celebrity frenzy, paris hilton, "reality tv show" daze is to shock people.

i don't know. but people really need to wake up.

[elektikaka]

hey, foo

thanks for the kind words, and i totally agree with your latest posting. except, where did ya come up with that 4% figure? didn't realize it was so high. if that's the case, we only have about 6% to go, and we'll have 'er licked. (has something to do with math, and physics and shifts and things) and do you think, that maybe this includes the entire planet, and not just those of us living here in the new "evil empire?" and just what are those supposed 200k chinese troops doing up in canada? are they there because they're all hockey fans, or perhaps there's some other agenda?

and, absolutely, larissa, you are a part of a group, and i gotta believe it truely does count, why alse would we all be spenting so much time here? we're all, or mostly all just average "joes" and "joesies," just trying to help each other along, and perhaps to share a few smiles along the way, at least at this point. phisical meetings and group things are a challange- i know- i tried one last summer- so let's just keep pounding away on our keyboards for now, and try to keep the "moderators" at bay , and keep swinging those virtual 2x4s around and at each other, and just know that it really is making a difference.

just when you think you've got it all figured out, someone comes along and pulls another curtain back, comes out with a sequel, opens up another door- just how big is this big picture thinky anyway? my guess is that the answer is something like endless... where does it all end? it probably doesn't- ever. so relax, "keep as cool as ya can- face piles of trials with smiles- it riles them to believe you've percieved the web they've weaved," and just keep on keepin' on. because however it all turns out, we are the authors of this "show"- like it or not- and your turn at the "plate" is like now. swing well...

last summer at mackinaw, carla rueckert would sometimes, in the middle of one of her speaches, just "burst" into song. i've always liked music, especially that kind of hard rockin', soul-stirring kind that leaves ya drained, and smiling. maybe it's time to bring some good musician-warriors up to bat....

perhaps time for a song, eh? crank it up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u3ro0gbehi

bob

[XarokLasa]

just when you think you've got it all figured out, someone comes along and pulls another curtain back, comes out with a sequel, opens up another door- just how big is this big picture thinky anyway? my guess is that the answer is something like endless... where does it all end? it probably doesn't- ever. so relax, "keep as cool as ya can- face piles of trials with smiles- it riles them to believe you've percieved the web they've weaved," and just keep on keepin' on. because however it all turns out, we are the authors of this "show"- like it or not- and your turn at the "plate" is like now. swing well... wholly sh**. well said.

i am learning that the only way to get to the next dimension is with total honesty. so where i got this 4% idea from is through music. i have heard it many times. there is a 4 or 5 % of the population who understand what is truly going on. and maybe i am wrong about that. maybe there is a much smaller amount. i can't know for sure.

and no. the entire world is in the same boat. china. damn that scares the hell out of me. we are all in a state of war. and have been for years. the wool is not pulled over my eyes. lord have mercy.

"keep as cool as ya can- face piles of trials with smiles- it riles them to believe you've percieved the web they've weaved," i love that. well said.

but i have to reinforce one thing that i have said earlier:

it is a crime to not share your wisdom. so please talk and share. without judgment.

[Tapupah]

sometimes i feel like the only way i can wake people out of their mtv, celebrity frenzy, paris hilton, "reality tv show" daze is to shock people.

i don't know. but people really need to wake up. foo, i agree that it would be fantastic for many to wake up, but as dw has said, our most effective tool is positive action. one example: by sending out love, and meditating, we positively influence individuals and the society around us (and earth).

i can think of only a few types of shock that would be caused by positive actions. one is your own peaceful nature, honesty, and goodness (by example). art is another type. dw is on the right track with the convergence movie. have any other ideas?

bob- great 80's tune and music video.

"all you zombies show your faces, all you people in the streets..."

e.j.

[xrumerang]

dichotomy,

hey foo, that is all you need to know. we are reflecting ourselves upon ourselves and becoming aware, thus we have 1 of 2 choices , give or take, rgar is what the neg elite sre putting in our faces. it is good so that we can make a choice. george green and dr. bill deagle are not neg's, they are simply making people aware through fear of not knowing. that is why people do not like their message. rgey run from it. but they are doing their job. how else would you become aware. remember, ra and the boy's &girl's left venus because it was stagnant thay could grow quicker here, anf so, thus it is not all negative, it is all positive after seeing the negative. why? think about it. back to the law of one ---3rd dimension --- you are only becoming aware of yourself. 4th d -- you are aware. you /we have to go through this to achieve 4-d positive. or else we could not handle the neg's. this is only an initiation!

love nelson

[XarokLasa]

foo, i agree that it would be fantastic for many to wake up, but as dw has said, our most effective tool is positive action. one example: by sending out love, and meditating, we positively influence individuals and the society around us (and earth).

i can think of only a few types of shock that would be caused by positive actions. one is your own peaceful nature, honesty, and goodness (by example). art is another type. dw is on the right track with the convergence movie. have any other ideas?

bob- great 80's tune and music video.

"all you zombies show your faces, all you people in the streets..."

e.j.

yes, you are right. i am the love type as well, but i forget it sometimes and get frustrated. thanks for reminding me.

dichotomy,

hey foo, that is all you need to know. we are reflecting ourselves upon ourselves and becoming aware, thus we have 1 of 2 choices , give or take, rgar is what the neg elite sre putting in our faces. it is good so that we can make a choice. george green and dr. bill deagle are not neg's, they are simply making people aware through fear of not knowing. that is why people do not like their message. rgey run from it. but they are doing their job. how else would you become aware. remember, ra and the boy's &girl's left venus because it was stagnant thay could grow quicker here, anf so, thus it is not all negative, it is all positive after seeing the negative. why? think about it. back to the law of one ---3rd dimension --- you are only becoming aware of yourself. 4th d -- you are aware. you /we have to go through this to achieve 4-d positive. or else we could not handle the neg's. this is only an initiation!

love nelson

true, true. yes i think i need to find a really positive outlet of some sort. i think this is where i will find some peace.

everything happens for a reason.

thank you both for your responses,

foo

[elektikaka]

labels. ya gotta love a good label. if you can hang a good one on a person/personality, especially one who is sticking his, or her head above the rest, we can know them- right? wrong! we continually "libel by label" to the point where meaningful discourse is becoming obsolete. many have discussed this issue over the past century, but they are all conspiracy nuts, or intellectual kooks, or whatever. hey! what's that? oh, that's a tree. oh, ok. see how simple lfe can be? yet, a biologist, a chemist, and a philosopher could spent a weekend discussing this entity known as tree.

to simply dismiss a messenger based on petty pickings, and unsubstantiated conclusions, is, well, labeling. i enjoy the law of one material- now that talks about a lot of negative stuff- but we look beyond the un-pleasant stuff to get to the meat of the matter. and,as it only came through in four books, is there a lot more information missing in the message, that may be trying to come through via various mesengers, and sources? and, assuming that, just what is the source of ra? might we not conclude, that the same source that spoke through ra, speaks through us all, as well as all the messengers, and prophets through-out all time? where are these words coming from? indeed, where do any thoughts come from?

i'm certainly not here to give out answers, as knowledge is structured in consciousness, and we all must do our own homework. so drink-up all the information you get exposed to. when you get full, take a break, have a good belch, and get right back into it. the lights may go out here at dc again, in fact all the lights may go out some day- and you'll be wishing you had paid more attention. so, when goerge green's "telephone" rings, it just could be something you need to know-

bob

[AndyColemants]

i agree with you bob, and i feel bad about criticizing dr. d and gg. i make use of all their hard work and research then put them down for being too negative. as if i was the model of positivity. every person in this movement has valuable information to share, and it would be crazy if we went in the direction of "those who know not what they do," and started fighting and haggling over who is right and who is wrong etc. "take what you like, and leave the rest."

i would also like to comment about china. i think it was an alex jones video that said they were the test case for globalization and keeping the population under control. they are making the highest demands for english teachers, what's up with that? i don't even want to think about the atrocities being perpetuated there, not that the western side of the world is any better.

i couldn't go work there teaching english because of tibet. i never hear about tibet these days. the dalai lama is a living personification of the law of one, and what's happening to the country even now is beyond tragic. i taught tibetan refugees in nepal and listened to their stories of escaping across the mountains, i felt their pain and sorrow at losing their country, not to mention the slaughter and torture they have to endure.

apparently this is what we're all in for if the elite succeed. i'd like to start a thread about tibet. it would be nice for the powerful light beings on this forum to send them love and light.

[prmnwoks]

labels. ya gotta love a good label. if you can hang a good one on a person/personality, especially one who is sticking his, or her head above the rest, we can know them- right? wrong! we continually "libel by label" to the point where meaningful discourse is becoming obsolete. many have discussed this issue over the past century, but they are all conspiracy nuts, or intellectual kooks, or whatever. hey! what's that? oh, that's a tree. oh, ok. see how simple lfe can be? yet, a biologist, a chemist, and a philosopher could spent a weekend discussing this entity known as tree.
bob

yes, indeed, nothing like a good label to box you in and get you to conform to its paradigms! kind of reminds me of the blind men labeling the elephant. the blind man who feels a leg says the elephant is like a pillar; the one who feels the tail says the elephant is like a rope; the one who feels the trunk says the elephant is like a tree branch; the one who feels the ear says the elephant is like a hand fan; the one who feels the belly says the elephant is like a wall; and the one who feels the tusk says the elephant is like a solid pipe.

i've shied away from labels most of my life, so much so that my pat answer to most things would be "i don't have an opinion about that" or sometimes "i don't have enough information to form an opinion about that"

recently i was re-reading the law of one concept of polarity, and i started wondering if perhaps i should re-evaluate my non-stance on most things. maybe i should actually be taking a stance on some things in order to increase my polarity. so now i'm not so sure anymore, maybe some labels are a good thing, i don't know. but in the meantime i've decided to actively accept a few labels, like "service-to-others" for instance.

and "supermanny" :d

[elektikaka]

hey gang-

my participation in stuff lately has been complicated by a mid-severe spinal-compression injury suffered last month- only just finding out how severe last week by getting getting medical x-ray verification. light-duty sucks- the things i used to take for granted are now painfully challanging- like walking, working, standing too long, typing for long periods of time at a keyboard, breathing- eating's still a lot of fun, though.

my experiences here on the forum have been, well, mostly fun too,- so, after a few (hundred) postings, onward...


this same message keeps coming around, and around again- it's in the "loo" for sure, all of our finest writeres/thinkers/religeous leaders/shamans- through-out our history, have been hammering it home, why, it's even to be found here in this forum a few times...

so- anyone out there still looking for a/the savior? try this: go look in a mirror- there's your savior! quietly/silently/lovingly staring right back at you! right where it's always been...

as an individualized spark of the of the one infinite creator, when you gaze into a mirror, what is looking back at you is the most powerful entity in the entire universe- always been there- always will. and it scares the dark-meanies tryiing to control us to death, that this should ever become common knowledge.

a few thousands of slave-owners, confronted by 6 1/2 billion gods in human form- sounds like "game-over", to me...

onwards to eternity....

bob
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[xrumerang]

yes bob,

humility is a wake up call in itself. (i pray that you feel better) meaning that we can take much for granted when we suddenly think we realize we "get it", then there is another initiation awaiting us. perhaps the next initiation is there so that we may become more wise and self resposible for becoming closer to the "eye" (or uiniversal creator) as i call it. you burn off a great deal of toxins (neg-energy) as you approach stronger light and vibration. that in essence means the "hits keep on a rollin". after which we have had our arse's kicked to the point in which the higher self has demanded of us; we grow much faster than we could have otherwise in la-la land (venus i.e.)

let's face it things are speeding up exponentially. the 2 x 4 upon the head is being administered daily. i suggest that you first go with your gut feeling through the principal of positive thought, second - flow with what fells right in your heart (the force) it will guide you, third - be knowledgeable and stay aware. staying aware is often actually common sense. seek where others do not. [some specific conspiracy references removed]. our fiscal year ends sept 30 and the timeline for the next big bang is october (and i am not referring to cern, although ironically i think that is when they are scheduled as well). the rothschilds are not happy with the boys thay have been and are in bed with. thus another "breaking down of the illumi's". so as my reading stated these neg's will break themselves down; as david says as well. the more that are aware the less suffering. that is the whole point, people must drop their old dogma oriented thinking and re-create (recreation) the new paradigm through these complex adaptive sysems.

become an "agent" today and you can make a difference tommorow.

paid for by the depatment of peace located right across the street from the dept of war (dod) washington d.c.

peace and love everyone!

[zCLadw3R]

bob,

don't forget to sit in the sun to get those muscles and bones feeling better (sun makes you heal faster). this is one of the secrets of the ancient greek athletes. also remember to soak in the tub with epsom salts, and drink lots of water with a pinch of celtic or himalayan sea salt. okie dokey?

charran

[elektikaka]

greetings, fellow forumites!

ya know- almost 170 years ago, ralph waldo emerson, had this to say:

"i look for the hour when that supreme beauty which ravished the souls of those eastern men, chiefly of those hebrews, and through their lips spoke oracles to all time shall speak in the west also. the hebrew and greek scriptures contain immortal sentences that have been bread of life to millions. but they have no epical integrity; are fragmentary; are not shown in their order to the intellect. i look for the new teacher that will follow so far those shining laws that he shall see them come full circle; shall see their rounding complete grace; shall see the world to be the mirror of the soul; shall see the identity of the law of gravity with purity of heart; and shall show that the ought, that duty, is one thing with with science, with beauty, and with joy."
divinity school address- cambridge, july 15th, 1838

so, the question now comes: just where do thoughts like this originate? is it feasible, that outside interests have been with us through-out the ages? and where does it come from? the ra, the q'uo, some alien thought-transmitter planted on the moon, eons ago, by the "q"? i don't know, either. there absolutely is a very clear pattern here, though.

another faboulous work of love, published in 1900, by [please email for author and title], dealing with the subject of cosmic consciousness, tells the story of many souls, through-out our history posessing a little something extra-perhaps a bit more twinkle to the eye, perhaps. the book is a fun read, and his conclusions are drawn, mostly through the writings, alledged sayings, personal journals, etc., for all of those through-out history showing something just a bit extraordinary, and the case historys are included in this work. folks like jesus, guatama the buddha, mohammed, blake, whitman, las casas, bacon, thoreau, and, yes, even emerson.

and just what are these laws that they all keep referencing? i don't know either. just musing along here on a monday morning....

bob

[xrumerang]

those laws are essentialy the law of one. they all lead back there. i love you for your truth, for you ansrerd your own question in truth!


ponder not you already know!

love you bob