[Arr34ston]

please i need feedback on this, this is the most important issue to me. all i think of is all the saddness, torture, and horrible lives that have existed on this planet (past and present) (poverty, loneliness, misery, disease, murder, lonliness, pain, death). i am not at all self-centered because this feeling is more like a consciousness of everyone, everything, every animal thats ever experienced pain, although i myself have lived a tortured life so the pain and sorrow for other similar circumstances is automatic for me.

i have a good understanding of law of one, sto/sts, polarity integration, and the fact that we are all one consciousness (god/great central sun/father) experiencing itself subjectively in a separateness of this material 3rd dimension. or maybe i don't understand it, i don't even know.

but my questions are:
@why do fourth density sts entities feed off of negative energy??
@why do fourth density sts want to stop human ascension?
@who created that system where anything would need to feed off of negative energy to survive
@why did they set up this vibrational prison where our god frequency is blocked out. what do they get out of it???
@ how did negative et's become so evil as to treat us as we treat farm animals, it makes me feel bad for them, like its not their fault they evolved from horrible/painful star systems that caused them to be corrupt
@ do negative et's sts deny the "father" even exists and believe that each local star system should be able to govern itself as it pleases
@ how would positive et's ever allow them to do this to us
@ what do they gain from stopping our ascension???
@ is it that they are no longer 3d and they are using humans to live through by invading our consciousness and living vicariously through us.
@ do they do it mischievously? as a joke? just playing around trying to folly the plans of positive et's who want us to ascend
@ or are these negative sts entities just instituting the system that they feel is the best way to ascension
@ some negative ets (3d or 4d) are void of their emotional bodies meaning they dont have feelings? how did this happen to them? who let this happen
@ will negative ets ever ascend?? such by "2012" alignment events either here or on other star systems or galaxies, wherever they are.... will they eventually ascend automatically through some raising vibration event or what if they stay in the darkness forever?
@ what the hell do they get out of this??

i know the illuminati does what they do for power and money... and would i be correct that some/all/whatever of the illuminati may actually be posessed by negative 4d sts entities?? but what would 4d sts entities "get out of it"? what kind of power do they have in 4d sts? what do they get for setting up the veil of tears, aka, vibratory prison. [/size]
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[Adimos]

it is not what they get or give, it is what we give ourself, by acting, living and being free to exercise our own "free will" of choice. our own inner fight of self., doing our best in the best of circumances. we are our worst and best judge of self.

now, if we all just acting from the one, the source, not interferring with "thy self" and doing for "thy self", i wonder, just wonder, if the pain would be less or would not exist at all.

for "thy will", not our will, would not have to choose to take any action, only to allow the self of thy to function in harmony and peace.

@ what the hell do they get out of this??

what do they get for setting up the veil of tears, aka, vibratory prison.

we will get there, we must, it is our desinty, our dream, our own individual likeness of one another. this is what we are in agreement with, our own will just gets us in the way of the one will of all, endless truth of one and all !

[puzobok]

but my questions are:
@why do fourth density sts entities feed off of negative energy??
@why do fourth density sts want to stop human ascension?
@who created that system where anything would need to feed off of negative energy to survive
@why did they set up this vibrational prison where our god frequency is blocked out. what do they get out of it???
@ how did negative et's become so evil as to treat us as we treat farm animals, it makes me feel bad for them, like its not their fault they evolved from horrible/painful star systems that caused them to be corrupt
@ do negative et's sts deny the "father" even exists and believe that each local star system should be able to govern itself as it pleases
@ how would positive et's ever allow them to do this to us
@ what do they gain from stopping our ascension???
@ is it that they are no longer 3d and they are using humans to live through by invading our consciousness and living vicariously through us.
@ do they do it mischievously? as a joke? just playing around trying to folly the plans of positive et's who want us to ascend
@ or are these negative sts entities just instituting the system that they feel is the best way to ascension
@ some negative ets (3d or 4d) are void of their emotional bodies meaning they dont have feelings? how did this happen to them? who let this happen
@ will negative ets ever ascend?? such by "2012" alignment events either here or on other star systems or galaxies, wherever they are.... will they eventually ascend automatically through some raising vibration event or what if they stay in the darkness forever?
@ what the hell do they get out of this??

i know the illuminati does what they do for power and money... and would i be correct that some/all/whatever of the illuminati may actually be posessed by negative 4d sts entities?? but what would 4d sts entities "get out of it"? what kind of power do they have in 4d sts? what do they get for setting up the veil of tears, aka, vibratory prison.

okaaayyyyyyyyyyyy,

first of all tiff, ... you gotta undo the caps thing. lol but to address your points:

1. they don't "feed" off souls. even 5th density entities eat food, so yes, them 4d- bitches will eat, but they're "not feeding off your soul."

2. they want to stop your ascension because they cannot control you if you are at or above their level.

3. "god" created the system. it allows for service to self types to get as far as 5d, but no farther.

4. nothing is blocked out for you. they only have power if you allow them to exercise control over you, otherwise they're impotent. think of them as a virus -- on a laboratory table, it's as harmless as a pencil. once given a chance to enter into your body, it might harm you.

5. you shouldn't feel bad for them, just try to love them. i don't know what this means, but it's what ra would say. they are supposed to be perfect in their self-serving orientation. again, i don't know what this means (it was said by ra) because they are in direct opposition to free will, so i'm not sure how it integrates into perfection.

6. i don't know how far up the centralization of negative thought complexs go, but i think they want control or authority over it all. on orion for example, they're all fighting with each other (thought battles) to create a pecking order where each entity serves (if it loses the battle) the entitiy above it. (that is what rockefeller wants to do on earth btw ... ... according to ben fulford). they would like to extend that to basically infinity. (not gonna happen, but kudos for the ambition)

7. positive entities who are higher up the consciouness totem pole allow them to conduct their impish activities because they (the guardians and beyond) interpret the infinite creator's law of one as allowing for activities that a function of love (in this case, self-love) to be permissible. who knows, they could be wrong--ra has screwed up plenty of times.

8. "@ is it that they are no longer 3d and they are using humans to live through by invading our consciousness and living vicariously through us." nope.

9. "@ do they do it mischievously? as a joke? just playing around trying to folly the plans of positive et's who want us to ascend" no joke, serious self-love. remember, you're just a tool that they can use to advance their love for themselves.

10. "@ or are these negative sts entities just instituting the system that they feel is the best way to ascension" yep. exactly.

11."@ some negative ets (3d or 4d) are void of their emotional bodies meaning they dont have feelings? how did this happen to them? who let this happen" i have no idea. i don't 3ds can ever be void of good feelings completely. rockefeller loves his family--no joke. rothschild too. they think nothing of you, but they love what they interpret to be their own.

12. "@ will negative ets ever ascend?? such by "2012" alignment events either here or on other star systems or galaxies, wherever they are.... will they eventually ascend automatically through some raising vibration event or what if they stay in the darkness forever?" yes. they'll be our 4d- neighbors on the newly re-vamped 4d earth. they'll make it to 5d- if they so choose.

13. "@ what the hell do they get out of this??" hope. they hope they're right in their ways to conquer all that is and to be all that is.

[puzobok]

i'm sorry,

i think i may have made a mistake -- 4d- entities will not stay on this earth. they will be taken to another planet with entities just like them. (see ya! ... don't let the door hit 'yer 4d-negative posterior on the way out ... tell genghis i said 'wuss up'). :d

[brilkyPlayday]

hi tifferella! reading your words had me crying like a baby. i empathise with your feelings of pain and suffering in the world and i, too, ask - why - what - where - how - and a big why again.

i don't know if there are straight answers to the questions you have posed. what i can say, is that fear and negativity is what these entities survive on so maybe we need to work on keeping these under control in ourselves to reduce to the availability of their food source and in turn their power.

i get the impression that you are an "empath". at the same time, you are completely exposed which is why you are feeling so vulnerable to all this negativity. there are steps that you can take to protect yourself and reduce the impact and absorption of whatever is happening around you. there's lots of information around on how to do this if you search around.

there is a section in the ra material about healing yourself and possibly
extending this out eventually to heal others. i'd say it has to begin with us individually but in totality this is ultimately healing the one.

love youself, look after youself, shine for others.

[L8fGLM4d]

negative beings are not trying to "hold us back" from their perspective. they genuinely feel that their path is "the" correct one and that it is their duty to spread it; but their path is one where separation and control and enslavement are paramount to progression. forcing/persuading others to follow their lead gives them a feeling of justification and power which reinforces their own choices and strengthens their path of control. it makes them stronger, and that is reason enough to do so from their perspective.

sts entities don't hate you. they don't have necessarily militant feelings toward you or anyone else. they are absorbed in their own feeling of rightness and entitlement to their will dominating all others. the only way for sts to deal with the existence of free will while accepting self as primary is to bend/break the wills of others into their control -- making it their will, free for use by them.

those on the positive path attempt to preserve the free will of all, including self, and including those on the negative path. there is, because of this, a very real limitation to their ability, while remaining on the positive path, to shield others from negative influence. they walk a veery tight line.

as for ascension, the negative ets canot "stop" it. what they are really attempting to do is cause more of humanity to ascend toward the negative, as subjugated wills, to strengthen the negative cause. they quite probably feel they are saving you from folly and something they perceive as rediculous (the concept that the self is not preeminent).

the path of separation is the path of control. control ovr both self and others. controlling the emotions/feelings of both self and others are paramount to success on this path. they man not lack an emotional body, but they may certainly be able to hide it from all but the most gifted seers.

-charles

i've answered a few of the more pronounced questions which may in turn shed light on others. i've thought alot about the negative path as a matter of trying to understand its influence. i've grown up literally surrounded by it without ever losing my sense of positivity. i hope these insights -- and that's all they are -- help in your situation.

[crumoursegemo]

good replies folks. thanks darth rothscum for your humorous take on this. your comment has a significant meaning for me. one of my past fragments worked directly with the grandson of genghis who was kublai khan ,who entered what is now peking,china. there were some real intrigues going on inside the imperial court at that time. being up close and personal with someone like that definitely gives insight into the sts animating drives at work, inside a power stucture like the rockafella dynasty.

[Lolita Palmer]

tifferella,

your third question i believe was:
who created that system where anything would need to feed off of negative energy to survive.

if you read session 81 in the book iv of the law of one, about a third of the way through (bottom of page 52), ra answer the question as to why and how the creation of negative sts entities came about and that it was not part of the initial plan of the logoi. from that point on through session 82 the whole concept of the appearance of, negative polarity, the veil of forgetting and references to the necessity for sts/negative polarity is discussed. interesting discussion and worth taking time to reread if you haven't already read it.
l&l
berry

[PriniMai]

hey tiff, all

berry got me thinking of the importance of the veil. although it seems like an experiment to us. i think the veil is important to not letting the negative orientation/destructiveness of beings consume the positives/creativeness aspect due to lack of understanding of control of infinite energy or it could help us evolve much-much faster. but the catch is proper evolution to higher density might not be successful, a risk of reincarnation loop or maybe a soul become confused and lost or because of attachments to this 3d world. a proper control/herding system while respecting the free will need to be developed in order to succeed imho.

but then again, aren't what the confederation are doing is controlling our evolution without our own consent? asfaik control and manipulation is one of the sts orientation. talk about control, i like to compare an analogy from mammal and reptiles. majority of mammals give birth and will nurture the child until it is able to live independently. whereas, majority of reptiles will only incubate the eggs and let them live by themselves once they hatch. from what i see reptiles does not control it's hatchlings while mammals controls it child. mammals seems like sto. but sometimes control can lead to forcing the child to follow the parents will (talk about extreme love. ). while reptiles will rely totally on it's own survival instinct. asfaik there is no group oriented reptiles, they all live by themselves. am i right? (plese note. although bird also hatch eggs like reptiles, i think they are like a combination of both. for insects, i have no idea how to categorize it the variety is huge.)

another analogy is like a flow of water on the river. if all are stses, the water will just flow without any control or boundaries they just willfully go where they want, everybody serves themselves right? whereas if some is sto there will be a control on the flow of the river for the sake of wanting to direct the flow of the unaware stses to the desired direction which they believe they are serving others to guide them to the right direction. am i missing something here? yes, the problem is misuse and manipulation of free-will. any aware sto and sts is capable of misuse the power that it has. so i dont't think all sts are considered as "bad" or all stos are considered as "good". heck there should be no bad nor good. there's more than meets the eye. seems like sto and sts is dependant with each other. i suggest to better stay away from generalizing and separate it. all is one right? i like to elaborate more but i think you get the point.

for me, the good thing about this confusion will give us enough momentum to break the wall of the veil. just make sure you are not pulled inside the drama too deep. and i think once we look back at this drama we might be thankful for experiencing this kind of thing.

so instead of looking the veil as a burden of tears :d. try to switch it to a catalyst or vehicle that will drive us to give the momentum to break the wall. have fun experimenting it. for example, look at pain/suffering as a subject of something unique to experience rather than believing being a victim of it.

just my perspective and thoughts.
peace :d

[BruceQW]

hi

in english you can discern three meanings by the word "veil" by altering the order of the letters: veil/evil/live....

..just a thought

[cepAceryTem]

dear urakei,
when i saw what you wrote, i was reminded of a bk review by bobby matherne i read that mentioned birds and thought would share it here:
"from sunspots to strawberries" by rudolf steiner. this bk is one of a series and at the bottom there are links to the rest if you are interested. nina

http://www.doyletics.com/arj/fromsuns.htm

" due to the different epochs of origin for humans and birds, their response to the appearance of minerals during the embryonic state is dramatically different. the bird embryo, not ready to assimilate the minerals, pushes it away and it becomes a mineral-based shell surrounding the embryo. the human embryo has marrow-filled bones, unlike the air-filled bones which allow birds to fly, and the marrow is able to absorb minerals from the mother which will later in the gestation process be utilized to build up the hard bones of the human baby. here we can see definitively why humans are not born inside eggs and how this fact points to human evolution pre-dating bird evolution contrary to what the blinder-wearing darwinians would have everyone believe."

[HondasMenFox]

i wonder if it is possible that negative entities were chooks sheep cows bugs and whales in there past incarnation and at death they had the option to come back as positive oriented animals as they did previously or negative orientated humans.

oddly they all have nightmares while incarnated as a negative humans which involve lamb chops, kfc , mcdonalds , sushi , and fly spray and a deep resentment towards there fellow man because of the veil they are unable to remember why they feel the way they do.

maybe the creator has a sick sense of humor or some thing

[PriniMai]

thanks nina, i'll read it. never thought about the absorption of mineral thing.

[quote]oddly they all have nightmares while incarnated as a negative humans which involve lamb chops, kfc , mcdonalds , sushi , and fly spray and a deep resentment towards there fellow man because of the veil they are unable to remember why they feel the way they do.[/quotte]

hehe it might be the reason why this earth is so populated...too many chicken and cows reincarnated as 3d..... :d:d

maybe the creator has a sick sense of humor or some thing i don't think the first creator have traits like humor or crazy etc, but the co co.....co co creator who likes to play god might.... :d:d

[Wheegiabe]

people! get a grip on your language. although even such a source as newsweek has gotten this one wrong, when commenting on a lawyer's summation to the supremes.

vale of tears
from wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the phrase vale of tears refers to earth and the sorrows left through life. "vale" means a valley or a dale. the phrase comes from the catholic prayer salve regina: "to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears." the expression hearkens to psalm 23's reference to the valley of the shadow of death: the phrase implies that the wickedness of the world makes it dark and reprieve comes only from divine salvation.

anyway, let me say this: illegitimus non carborrundum!
(don't let the bastards wear you down!)

keep moving in the positive, as stevie wonder would say.

selby

[velichay]

tifferella, i hear you. i think about this a lot also.

perhaps this reality was originally created for positive purposes, but somehow got hijacked? due to free will?

perhaps one day, we will all be able to access the akashic records and find out how it all happened.....what really happened?

[BruceQW]

aha selby!

i'm swedish and just accepted "veil", also making the wordplay with "evil" and "live", it still works though since veil exists as a word...

my dictionary also says "the valley of woe"....

listen to davids latest reading.....so comforting..

liliane

[velichay]

words and music by queen

every drop of rain that falls in sahara desert says it all
it's a miracle
all god's creations great and small
the golden gate and the taj mahal
that's a miracle
test tube babies being born
mothers,fathers dead and gone
it's a miracle

we're having a miracle on earth
mother nature does it all for us
the wonders of this world go on
the hanging gardens of babylon
captain cook and cain and able
jimi hendrix to the tower of babel
it's a miracle it's a miracle it's a miracle
it's a miracle

the one thing we're all waiting for is peace on earth - an end
to war
it's a miracle we need - the miracle
the miracle we're all waiting for today

if every leaf on every tree could tell a story that would be a
miracle
if every child on every street had clothes to wear and food to
eat
that's a miracle
if all god's people could be free to live in perfect harmony
it's a miracle

we're having a miracle on earth
mother nature does it all for us
open hearts and surgery
(wonders of this world go on)
sunday mornings with a cup of tea
super powers always fighting
but mona lisa just keeps on smiling
it's a miracle it's a miracle it's a miracle

(wonders of this world go on)
it's a miracle it's a miracle it's a miracle
it's a miracle

the one thing (the one thing) we're all waiting for (we're all
waiting for)
is peace on earth (peace on earth) and an end to war (an end
to war)
it's a miracle we need - the miracle
the miracle peace on earth and end to war today

that time will come one day you'll see when we can all be
friends
that time will come one day you'll see when we can all be
friends
that time will come one day you'll see when we can all be
friends
that time will come one day you'll see when we can all be
friends

[avaincmolla]

how and why the negs do what they do is not important, and the anxiety and desperation that comes through in your posts is evidence that ra was right to stress this point as consistently as they did. focus on the positive.

[velichay]

how and why the negs do what they do is not important, and the anxiety and desperation that comes through in your posts is evidence that ra was right to stress this point as consistently as they did. focus on the positive.

interesting.

[cepAceryTem]

dear tiff, aj, and all,
sorry i cannot help directly with the answers to your questions but i can share a link where many of these topics are discussed. it will not be allowed here because it incorporates other unauthorized sources but please feel free to pm, if you would like further reading (one of the best collections of information i've seen) nina