[Kubasarika]

thank you for the replies,
i belong to the roman catholics which is presumably catalogued as the purists
among christians. the church as a whole anyhow is doubtful institution today.
i believe the bible to work at many levels that is what makes it one of the most read and printed books in history, i am no bible scholar but revelation to me is not about revenge, it is about reaping karma.
god gives warning after warning and people do not listen, another person made me see natural catastrophes are always for spiritual reasons, and can always be avoided.
will we listen this time?
the paradox to me is being put to the test by the wicked and not being able to respond, this is why god rewards those who have persevered, the reward is eternal separation of those who do not believe what we do.

[Blolover11]

the reward is eternal separation of those who do not believe what we do.

i agree the bible works on many levels and i wouldn't recommend burning it.

but the god jesus taught about is not the jehovah of the old testament.

the reward is eternal separation of those who do not believe what we do.

imagine that. eternal failure of the cosmos because someone doesn't 'believe' what they ought to.

i can no longer fathom how anyone can accept such stuff.

[rJohutozsfds]

i am no bible scholar but revelation to me is not about revenge, it is about reaping karma.

the book of revelations is simply the recorded hallucinations of a sick man, i never understood why people take it so seriously.

...natural catastrophes are always for spiritual reasons, and can always be avoided.

natural catastrophes may contain spiritual opportunities, but to consider them as some sort of a spiritual consequence is somewhat myopic.

will we listen this time?
the paradox to me is being put to the test by the wicked and not being able to respond, this is why god rewards those who have persevered, the reward is eternal separation of those who do not believe what we do.

i think it's time to move on past this archaic and childish idea of reward and punishment. remember that according to the law of one the most 'evil' get the same 'reward' as the most holy. i'm not really sure how you can fit that into your ideas of christianity. humanity is always growing and evolving, and i can see no good reason to believe the exact same thing we believed 2,000 years ago, religous or otherwise. jmho...

[Blolover11]

on a more sinister level, the purpose of the book of revelation was damage control - to undo the beauty of the gospels by insinuating that old baddie back into people's minds and confuse them once more. worked, too.

[nabsgood]

i've been on this path of awakening for a long time now. both from a spiritual and from a truth standpoint. the two are not necessarily the same. the truth can be a very dark place indeed!

what i believe about revelations is that it is not at all what it seems. the book is indeed about dreams, but not the dreams of an exile. it is about the dreams of the leadership of the roman catholic church. the book is not a book of prophecy. it is a plan. it is the plan. everything we see going on around us in the world today is a direct result of following the plan. it is written in allegorically coded language. it is the plan being followed by world governments. it was most probably written by a jesuit priest or a templar. that's why so many things in it seem to magically come true. they were planned beforehand.

revelations is the plan for the entire world to be taken over by a global super-government, all of course being subservient to the elite. it's all there, the techniques, the timing, the suppression of the masses, the genetically manipulated diseases, the chemicals in the chemtrails, even the coming election. you can even see when the ufo's are going to land. all this stuff is in there if you use your spiritual discernment to read it. you're not going to change the plan, it must carry through to completion. it is part of the awakening process.

[Blolover11]

hello jp,

your idea coincides in a general way with mine that the book of revelation is a negative implant and not from jesus or god.

but the book of revelation was written long before there were jesuits or templars.

i'd like to know more about this interpretation.

[rJohutozsfds]

it's all there, the techniques, the timing, the suppression of the masses, the genetically manipulated diseases, the chemicals in the chemtrails, even the coming election. you can even see when the ufo's are going to land. all this stuff is in there hmmm... i've read it a couple of times and i didn't find any of that stuff, but ok, i'll bite. could you point us to a website or something? or maybe at least tell us where the part is about the upcoming election and the ufo landings, because i'm pretty sure i missed both of those.

[Saqwnht]

you're not going to change the plan, it must carry through to completion. it is part of the awakening process.

while i'm not going to comment on the book of revelations per se, i would wholeheartedly agree with this statement jim.

i'm not a bible scholar, but i don't remember specific mentions of a rapture. (however, in the gospels there are references to people getting split into groups and going their separate ways...). if i remember correctly, the concept of rapture was after the bible was "collected" (or more appropriately, censored?), sometime during the crusades or later...

anyway, this type of stuff doesn't really matter in the end. if one were to take the stance of comparitive prophecies and the concept of creative, self-fulfilling prophecy, then you cannot deny that all around the world, there are many people creating this change. when coupled with the ra and quo, then were told that this will happen and we will rejoin the normal cosmic processes...

makes your head hurt, huh? whatever you believe, there is nothing to fear.

art

[Kubasarika]

forumers,
i reckon most of you are christian raised as most western people, do you believe some people will be taken to heaven in body and soul before the earth changes, i have read in the internet it might come after a peace treaty is signed in jerusalem, israel.
other versions i have heard seem to nullify this event; in other words everyone stays on the planet when basically the biblical demons are set loose to raise havoc on earth, accompanying earthquakes and other catastrophes.
i know, i know, don´t worry be happy.

[Hodstcopter]

sorry that just doesn't resonate with me at all. that is why i was never really religious....they seem to hold on to their beliefs to much

[Unwiseevove]

forumers,
i reckon most of you are christian raised as most western people, do you believe some people will be taken to heaven in body and soul before the earth changes, i have read in the internet it might come after a peace treaty is signed in jerusalem, israel.
other versions i have heard seem to nullify this event; in other words everyone stays on the planet when basically the biblical demons are set loose to raise havoc on earth, accompanying earthquakes and other catastrophes.
i know, i know, don´t worry be happy.

i will post just a short tid bit. but most of what your talking about doesn't coincide with my belief system. i am going to reply so you can understand a different perspective on this. the whole rapture and us being rescued by jesus on a cloud is kind of a silly idea as well as a highly presumptuous one. in that people feel that they have led such a good enough life that they will be whisked away in a cloud for their good deeds. i can see that you are still attached to the bible and what it says so we won't see eye to eye on many topics. but most of what you are seeing in the world today has nothing to do with the bible. the bible was created by a certain group with a certain intention. now the bible isn't necessarily a negative thing, but it is certainly confusing in the sense that it tells you to do one thing and then do the opposite to be a good person that believes in your god. for me its a book on alchemy. but to grasp what is going on with a peace treaty, this and that. all of those things happening in the reality are part of the "program". it's all orchestrated to follow an idea that certain entities want planted in the collective consciousness to bring about their "doomsday". this may be a bit much for you to swallow, but you are in the matrix. read material on this site and "unplug" yourself. you have to understand what is happening in the world today is purposely being created by "entities" in the background that want a doomsday scenario for the human race. by therefore having a book that can metaphorically apply itself to a certain scenario during the period within revelations, they can implant that within the collective consciousness, which creates the idea that it's really happening which allows for entities within our consciousness grid to manifest it. that is, if you really want to "unplug" yourself. there is mounds upon mounds upon mounds, of information getting out there these days. there is so much to learn, but on the same token. it is a voyage that you have to be mentally and spiritually prepared for as you will not be the same person with the same beliefs again. goodluck!

and just for a quick read which you may have not read from david wilcock himself. just on a particular quote from revelations.

we are now within five years of the mayan calendar end-date. cayce’s readings did not specifically mention the year 2012, but they very much indicated that we were heading into a period of great change and spiritual transformation.

consider reading 294-185:

"these changes on earth will come to pass, for the time and times and half-times are at an end, and there begin those periods for the readjustments.

for how hath he given? ‘the righteous shall inherit the earth.’"

as we explained in the reincarnation of edgar cayce?, the "time, times and half-times" reference means 1 + 2 + 1/2, for a total of 3 1/2.

since the reading says this time of being at "three and a half" is ending, it refers to the crossing point between "third density" and "fourth density" — the tipping point where the earth fully makes the shift from one density to another. (a density is somewhat akin to a dimensional level or plane of existence, as defined in the law of one series.)

we are already seeing the "readjustments" taking place now as we move through this shift — exactly as this and other cayce readings indicated.

perhaps the most enigmatic cayce passage is in 282-5, where the ascension prophecies in the book of revelation are referred to as if they were quite literal. please excuse the gender-specific references to the one creator, as it was a bias of the channel:

"seeking his face, know ye not that he shall give his angels charge concerning thee, that they shall bear thee up?

believest thou? or art thou just wondering?"

the passage from revelations about angels bearing people up — beginning at 11:11, incidentally — also features this mention of three and a half… in that case as being the end of a period of three and a half days:

[DebtDetox]

the answer is within you. expand your imagination. trust yourself and go with what feels or speaks truth. the bible describes your body as the living temple of god. god is within you and all others.

how would your personal god self answer the question? trust, let the answer be planted and then be patience for it to grow.

ps: there are many types of flowers in the garden

[effebrala]

well first off, very little of that has to deal with the law of one. however, in everything there is a bit of truth so we'll explore this a little.

every major religion or philosophy covers some sort of 'great change' in one way or another. in the law of one, this change is basically the changing from one density (ie dimension) to the next higher density, or from the 3rd to the 4th density. this next density is the one of unconditional love. also it is mentioned that in this transition our 3rd density bodies will be left behind and we will be taken to the new 4th density earth, which is actually larger than this one.. so in a way we will be 'raptured' to the heavens.

now unlike the christian idea of rapture, no one is left behind. there is no one left to suffer earthquakes etc, but rather every one is taken off the planet to continue their spiritual evolution either in another 3rd density planet, or on the new 4th density earth. this is based on the amount of service to self or service to others the person is. roughly speaking, one either has to be more than 50% service to others to graduate to the new earth, or roughly more than 90% service to self to graduate to a fourth density service to self planet (which is not earth, since service to self and service to others are not compatible) those that are to remain in 3rd density will be taken to other 3rd density planets to continue their spiritual evolution until they can be harvested for service to self or service to others.

as for what is going to happen on the earth after this has taken place. on the outside it seems like all hell is breaking loose and for a while the 3rd density earth may seem like total havoc, but according to the law of one material, it will eventually be re-inhabited with some other life form to complete their evolution here. the 3rd and 4th density earths will exist in the same place, only the 4th density will not be visible to the 3rd, however the 4th may still be able to see the 3rd, visit on occasion etc.

as far as the rapture is concerned, or for that matter the book of revelations , edgar cayce's view was that the book was that it was metaphoric for the way a person might effect his spiritual progress. the seven churches represents the seven chakra, and the various 7's all have to do with the chakra's opening and cleansing themselves. i'll have to go back and look it up, there is actually alot of information in there about what all the symbolism means. the 24 elders are 12 pairs of neural pathways in the brain.. the beast represents the lower 3 chakra, the bestial nature of man or physical nature. basically the point was to conquer the beast, reset the lower 3 chakra to a higher vibration in order to get that energy also into the upper 3 chakra so as to complete the connection to our spiritual half. the rapture was basically the point at which this switch took place and one could exist in a state of complete connection with his higher self.

[DebtDetox]

we are already unconditional love. our test is to live it at what ever plane you find your energy at. the 3rd density is heavier weights vs the higher levels at lighter weights that you can swim in easier. when we are born, we agree to come to do and be, to experience in order to give / receive and learn
together as one. one in heart, one in mind, one in truth.

we do each go through inter battles to balance our lower and higher self (dark/light) of love. the center, of the 7 charkras, the heart center, is where we find the balance. when this center is fully activated, felt, opened, alive, no one can move the true you. your full being is lit.

all of our experiences to date has moved us to or from love (center) but it is all love. finding the center, the balance of the two and being able to stay there in the joy and bliss of life at what ever density earth is at is each a test.

i have trust and faith in our creator that no one is left behind. i believe this fully. the complexity of the how's is known, but not fully written

be the body of love/light you are in each and every moment that you are present.

[nabsgood]

hello jp,

your idea coincides in a general way with mine that the book of revelation is a negative implant and not from jesus or god.

but the book of revelation was written long before there were jesuits or templars.

i'd like to know more about this interpretation.

that is true, so has the concept of the new world order. the fact is it is a creation of the jewish belief that they are the "chosen ones" of the almighty god. it is well established in the light communities that that original belief system was actually created by extra terrestrial influence from the annunaki. that single precept is the one thing that has kept us in the dark and at war with one another for thousands of years. i'm sure there are going to be many pointing the finger at me shouting "anti-semite" or other diminuendos but those old worn out labels no longer hold, the fact is the jewish people are the most war mongering people on the planet to this day. i'm not the first to realize this. just look at what they are doing to the palestinians. by and large the "church" also bows down to them because the religious texts also says they are the "chosen people".

i hold no negative emotions towards those people, i do not hate them, i don't even retain any anger toward them. i recommend everyone take the time to watch alex jones' endgame on youtube. it is very informative. the fact is, if our government is going to be attacking somebody, (we shouldn't be attacking anybody!) that is who they should be attacking. of course that's not going to happen because they own and run our government, and our media, and our banks, and our religions, and almost every major corporation in our country. this is truth. check it out for yourself. is the light coming on yet?

[Blolover11]

forumers,
i reckon most of you are christian raised as most western people, do you believe some people will be taken to heaven in body and soul before the earth changes, i have read in the internet it might come after a peace treaty is signed in jerusalem, israel.
other versions i have heard seem to nullify this event; in other words everyone stays on the planet when basically the biblical demons are set loose to raise havoc on earth, accompanying earthquakes and other catastrophes.
i know, i know, don´t worry be happy.

i was raised a christian, and i have read the bible pretty extensively, and i have read revelations several times, although not for years. about a week ago, just due to all this stuff we are all discussing, i decided to reread revelations.

i have never liked the book, and i found out a few years ago that the church i was raised in - the eastern orthodox branch of christianity - was against including revelations. in fact, revelations was one of the most controversial books to be included in the canon of the bible. they lost the argument, but to this day they just pretty much ignore it. they have a complex cycle of services which includes reading every bit of the new testament over the course of one year - except revelations.

somehow in prior readings it passed my notice that the one speaking or giving the revelation to john was supposed to be christ himself. perhaps it was this which made such an impression upon me in this reading that i can state with absolute confidence that the book of revelation is not from the same entity known as jesus of the gospels. nor from the father he told us about.

if i am wrong, i do not know god at all.

the book of revelation may or may not have value on some level, such as the codes or allusions mentioned by one of the posters here, but as a spiritual guide it is derelict, worthless, negative. it glories in death and revenge and destruction and violence. the angels of revelations are demons.

maybe it does have some predictive value, after all a wise old 5th density disembodied, negative entity might be privy to some things that we are not.

i think the purpose of the book of revelations may have been to tear christianity down and it almost certainly has done so. what a terrible blight is this book! how i wish its terrible spell were broken.

you could do worse than to tear it out of your bible and place it in the outhouse against possible lack of toilet paper.

[HilaryNidierer]

i feel, that there is much truth in many books and text. before i state what i have found, i would like to emphasize, to find our true god, the true spirit of all that is, is within yourself. sometimes, we are led by our higher self to search things that will shine light to our confusion. this has been happening with me every day for the last 6 months or so. i have came across what god was trying to show me in the last few days.

there is definatly a distortion in the bible of our god, our creator. the old testement is a distortion(most of it). if you read it and re read it, you will find a god claiming to be god, but he is not. the god in the old testement is able to do this because in a since, just like every creation there is, he is of god. this is where the idea of dual 'sons of god' comes into play. you have a creation that was of god, who wanted to claim himself a world to rule as the god of the world. the evil force of the seperation of god himself does own this world and rules this world and is waiting to deceive the masses that he is god. this is why so many who have a good heart are being pulled by our father, the creator, to search the truth, so they will not be part of the deception. revelations gives us many warnings of this great time of deception. it says that the dark force will claim to be the son of god (in a since, he is) and he will claim that he created us (in a since, he did) and he will use the actualle bible to show that he is god. he will use the stars, science, and all things that have a order, that he is god because he knows the mysteries to how the world was made and how it evolves and ect ect.....this is what god has been trying to show me, and warn me, to not be deceived.

i feel that alot of the channeling going on is a begening to this ultimate deception. many will fall into this trap and be whisked away by the ufos when this so called 'god of the world' says to them that he is here to take them to their heaven, to their long awaited acension. it is important, to know about the true god of your inner self, he will guide you to see the deception going on right now.

this is why i worry about so many that are too ready to leave earth. they will feel the long awaited day to leave this place of hell and they will not be able to tell or beleive that they are being deceived. even the egyptians warn in the book of the dead-do not go to the first spirits in the after life, they will mislead you and mis guide you, causing your path to extend a much longer dreary path.

i feel many ufo sightings are a deception. i feel many channels goind on right now is the set up for the final show down of a spirit who wants this world for his own forever. when we meditate, channel, and open our minds, ask for protection of deception! you need to realize, this is not gods world, but he is here....he is in us, looking through our eyes, seeing the times go by, and seeing that the time is coming that he will have to come and claim his children. the first coming will not be of a god of love(but he will dispaly himself as love), it will be a selfish god who will display himself as the all father, all good, all everything. look into history and see the many different types of civilizations that thought god told them to kill by the thousands. this was the dual force of the sons of god, he has been setting up his final show down for thousands of years. he will convince many that the wrath of the world is coming and we should all leave will him in his 'craft in the clouds'. many will do so, for they did not seek their inner self and the voices of the true creator.

i dont like to call this evil force satan, devil, ect....they are sons of darkness, they are the duality of the ego of god, they were created by sophia when she dared to create by her self, with out her counter part.

i am writing this to encourage those who are sooo ready to leave, that they might be deceived. i feel god has led me to know this because of the way earth will be during this time. it will be ugly and the last thing any one will want to do is to turn down the glorious ride out of here on a air craft. remember, the evil ego force claims to be a bearer of light, a son of god, the bringer of light....sophia is of god, sophia was the light that showed god he was not alone, sophia has the spirit with in her, so any creation of her would be a son of light, a light bearer....i asked my higher self why i need to understand this....i get the answer that i must not be persuaded by the first coming....that everyone first will be tempted by the ego force of light. im beginning to look at ufos in a whole new way.

jesus was not the only son of god. we all are sons of god! jesus was not the only one to make a decision to come here and show the world that the life in this flesh is such a small part of our souls evolution to returning. you have many sons of god that have came in the past...good and bad....my assumption is that many of the service to others is born around the winter solstice and die during the spring equnox. the ego self serving ones seem to be born the opposite time, born during the spring equnox and die during the winter soltice. it is of importance when souls incarnate here. it has something to do with the energies of the sun and the horizons on the earth.

again, let me stress, i am of no religion or particular book. i am of faith that my inner self has been guiding me for a long time.

i find it interesting that america and babylon are opposites when it comes to the use of vowles and constinents. the towers of babylon have fallen...the deception is around the corner....ground yourself with your higher self now. the ellite of the government has tried to re create a babylon, the whole plan will deceive many by the masses.

peace to all, much love, search within!
lynette

[HilaryNidierer]

i just posted something about duality and deception and i want to follow up on some things i said. i remarked on the idea that channeling will be the open door for the deceiver to enter our mind. i dont feel though that this is the case with all channels. i do feel that there are soul groups in the higher relms that are trying to ground us with our inner self. you must remember though, even the channels are from beings that have not 'made it all the way yet'. just be careful to take what resides with you. dont follow something just because that is what works for others. if it brings out the service of others in you, then you know its there to help you.

it is time to ground yourself with your inner voice! dont get whisked away just because you are soooo ready to go! there will be a need for souls to guide the way after this deception.....

there are two forces, they both want to claim your soul. one wants to claim it for unity, for god wants to reclaim his children. the other wants to claim your soul for the energy he will gain through claiming you. just like the energy that the old civilizations would claim when they made human sacrifices. the energy can be used for good or bad. the energy within us is the most powerful stuff on the face of this earth. you , your light, is the most powerful thing in this world! protect it, nourish it, love it, and let it shine to awaken others. a simple smile can show someone, yes, god is here with us, he is in you and me!

[Kneedycrype]

thank you lynette,

you have a beautiful heart, bigger than most, and i appreciate the time and effort it took to write your in-depth post. it's evident that you truly care and are concerned for others, all of us, and a lot of what you have shared resonates within me. it's all so ugly and depressing but i too, am confident that once the battle is finally over, and won by the "light" and not the dark, we will be in paradise right here on this beautiful planet. please keep sharing with us what you're being led to see.

love to you,
kelly

[Blolover11]

that is true, so has the concept of the new world order. the fact is it is a creation of the jewish belief that they are the "chosen ones" of the almighty god. it is well established in the light communities that that original belief system was actually created by extra terrestrial influence from the annunaki. that single precept is the one thing that has kept us in the dark and at war with one another for thousands of years. i'm sure there are going to be many pointing the finger at me shouting "anti-semite" or other diminuendos but those old worn out labels no longer hold, the fact is the jewish people are the most war mongering people on the planet to this day. i'm not the first to realize this. just look at what they are doing to the palestinians. by and large the "church" also bows down to them because the religious texts also says they are the "chosen people".

i hold no negative emotions towards those people, i do not hate them, i don't even retain any anger toward them. i recommend everyone take the time to watch alex jones' endgame on youtube. it is very informative. the fact is, if our government is going to be attacking somebody, (we shouldn't be attacking anybody!) that is who they should be attacking. of course that's not going to happen because they own and run our government, and our media, and our banks, and our religions, and almost every major corporation in our country. this is truth. check it out for yourself. is the light coming on yet?

it does seem that when you become willing to read the old testament with new eyes, you wonder how you ever failed to see that this jehovah character is none other than a small-time, despotic warlord with unbelievable persistence and doggedness. he would not let the hebrews alone and finally they and their religion are at the crux of much of the world's troubles.

on the other hand, the far east is not noticeably more wonderful - and they have none of this influence. i rather think the problem is endemic to this planet for whatever cosmic reasons.

i agree with much of what litllady says, and it is odd, really odd that i have of late months been increasingly impressed with very similar ideas - the name of the game here is deception. falling for deception is our fault, falling for jehovah and believing evil lies about the nature of god is a soul's decision. i could even say that the harvest is of those who have learned how to see through the deceptions which test us.

i am learning to admire, respect and love the evil ones. i am in awe of them. i could never pick such a path of suffering. what a hard task. but it is only because of their persistent impulses to deceive us that we learn how to discern lies from truth, good from bad. so they are our teachers. it's an incredible service and i lack the fortitude to do it.

the joy is knowing god inwardly and being invulnerable to silly lies and deceptions.

the christians are in a state of denial. they talk and talk of satan and his lies, all the while never wanting to see how he is entwined in their religion like a braid of hair.

the old testament has a very wise passage: (isaiah 5:20)

"woe to those who take good for evil, and evil for good. who call bitter sweet and sweet bitter, that put darkness for light and light for darkness."

it's funny, it's a puzzle - but yet it is true and you will begin to see it if you think about it - people are endlessly confused about whether something is good or not, and regularly mistake good for evil and evil for good, and call the bitter thing sweet and sweet things bitter. and they regularly impute evil motives to god - putting darkness for light.

hard to believe, isn't it?

it's the purpose of the deceivers to hold you back, in any way they can. of course they do it through religion, through and endless maze of ways to trick your mind and stop your individuation - so that you do not advance until you are ready. when you are ready, you are hard to stop.