[Khurlxgq]

would you be willing to stay here for another thousand of years cycle and give up this new world of peace (for now) to keep working with those who arent ready and would need your guidance? would you be willing to give up this beautiful new world for others who are greedy, materialistic and on the wrong path? knowing that you can help them even if it takes a long while?

i am craving for this new world that is coming. believe me...but i just feel that if i have a choice...i would have to stay. not for material purpose...believe me its the last thing i think about. maybe its weird, i deeply want what is coming but i cant stop thinking that thoses people who didnt make it will still need help.

well i guess you get my point i dont want to put doubt into peoples mind but....maybe there will be no choice and everyone will make it. maybe it doesnt work like that but what if? what would you do?

[Tuqofiw]

i think this question,is something i would need to be asked while not in an physical body. i know that i'm ready for the "next step" so to say,as i sit in my chair,here and now.

but what you still have to learn,or teach,or experience? you will have to ask your higher self that question.




me personally? i believe i am a wanderer here,so going where i am called next,is probably where i will go!

[toreesi]

i think you ascend when you have reached the level then have the choice to serve the lower density folks.

[allemnendup]

kamisama,

i for one am done with this place we call earth. i'm grateful for being here and experiencing all my experiences but i need to move on. as for the ones i love and hold dear to me, i can only point the way and show them the door for so long before i decide to go through it myself and hope for them to make the choice of going through it themselves by their own freewill. i can't hold their hands forever.

knowing, truth, wisdom, love

one 66

[Hitfaromarf]

i would be willing to help as best i could from the other side, but i have no wish to come back in incarnation........

[avaiptutt]

interesting question.

you almost feel sts if you say you want to go and yet i think that most of us have been here so long already, knowing time is almost up is what keeps us hanging on. i, for one, am ready for an existence that is 100 times more harmonious than this one, that’s for sure.

it’s funny because i remember one of my first posts here was about not wanting to go if i had to die and leave my kids behind. i thought that would be the most selfish decision anyone could make. i’ve grown so much since then.

i think i would move on and see where i am the most needed once i get there. cause, i am ready to go.

[Saqwnht]

kamisama,

thats a good question worth at least a few minutes to ponder before answering...

the trouble with answering is that today i could feel one way, and tomorrow another, depending upon the experiences and inspirations of that day.

anyway, although i believe i am ready to move on, if given the chance, i guess i would stay. what better way to serve than to sacrifice "heaven" in the interest of helping others? i mean, isn't that what this is all about, service? and, of course, many of the ascended masters or great teachers or whatever you want to call them have said that sacrifice and suffering is the way...

fortunately this is mostly out of my hands as i believe we have already made the choices and assignments have been given. depending upon how broad one wants to open this question up will depend upon the depth of one's answer. for now, let's just keep things simple...

so, again, while i relish the thought of ascension to 4d and beyond, if i can make more of an impact by staying in 3d and helping, then i guess thats what i'd choose to do.

thanks for that provacative question!

art

p.s. - as a side note, alot of us have "agreed" that the 3d mind has no ability to comprehend 4d "reality". sure, we can imagine all we want... so, with this in mind, my post here really is moot, since i can't imagine the possibilities of 4d service with my current 3d mind.

[tabcdyop]

given that fact that i (you) am/are made in the image and likeness of god (and that's up to you to believe/deny) and that god is all that which was, is, and will ever be (another thing you can believe/deny) it seems to me that the question of whether or not i shall remain here or where i shall go is of little purpose. the question as i see it is this...

how can i be of help to others who don't know this at this time? and in turn by helping others i will re-member each and every time who i am.

and who i am not.

re-member though that first you need to be sts for if you do not know yourself...

yourself as who you are...

you can't know another...

we are one and the same.

;-)

be well. david

[HRS1H7gO]

would you be willing to stay here for another thousand of years cycle and give up this new world of peace (for now) to keep working with those who arent ready and would need your guidance? would you be willing to give up this beautiful new world for others who are greedy, materialistic and on the wrong path? knowing that you can help them even if it takes a long while?

i am craving for this new world that is coming. believe me...but i just feel that if i have a choice...i would have to stay. not for material purpose...believe me its the last thing i think about. maybe its weird, i deeply want what is coming but i cant stop thinking that thoses people who didnt make it will still need help.

well i guess you get my point i dont want to put doubt into peoples mind but....maybe there will be no choice and everyone will make it. maybe it doesnt work like that but what if? what would you do?

you know, there will always be people who don't make it. at what point do you allow yourself to break the ties that bind?

and i think you can help from above. you will not be on the front lines but you will maybe be at a vantage point in which you can offer more healing than you can down here on the front lines. no more like a soldier but a general of light.

and then, you can always come back if you want to.

but the violence here, right now, is so strong. and me and you, just like everyone else here that we are trying to help, is an equal part of the whole. so it is not fair to allow ourselves to continue to be hurt by this.

and again, we can always go away for a brief respite and then come back again if we want to.

that was a very good question.

[citalopram]

i would say if i transended death, and was truely free and spiritually enlightened, a being of light and love, then i would say yes. i would stay here to help others on their journey and help them with info. let me live for as long as i wish to only meet death as i chose and when i chose. let me be a torch of light and love for those that are in darkness and wish to see the light themselves. if i transend all limitations imposed by this "reality" or density, i would say yes. although, i do feel like i am done with earth, if it is my part in the cosmic plan and for the greater good, then i will say yes.

[Khurlxgq]

thanks for all the replies it is nice to see all those point of views!

[HRS1H7gO]

re-member though that first you need to be sts for if you do not know yourself...

yourself as who you are...

you can't know another...

we are one and the same. these are powerful words but i cannot know myself as much as i want, if the people that i work with and my neighbors don't own up to the same thing, then i am going to continue to feel the violence.

that is why we must all do it for ourselves but we all, also, need our loved ones to do the same. i am feeling all of your thoughts and feelings.

this is the extreme duality here on our mother earth right now. yes, we must re-member for ourselves but i am beginning to feel all of this. so, if we all don't re-member, together, together, all of us together, then there will be more blood and pain.

[citalopram]

well, earth is going to go from 3rd density to 4th density, so we would not be coming back to this earth, but maybe another planet that is in the 3rd density still and would be "earth" for those beings. unless we are talking about earth in another dimension. and if our earth goes into the 4th density, would earth on all dimensions go to the 4th density also?
but i do remember dw talking about honor. so i will restate ... if it is my purpose to do so, for the greater good, then it is my duty and would be my honor to do so.

[DebtDetox]

is the plan so simple as ~
we re-member, ~
we light a member ~
the member re-members ~
and lights another member

at least one re-member for each member.

re-member, you are love and nothing else.

how can i be of help to others who don't know this at this time? and in turn by helping others i will re-member each and every time who i am.

and who i am not.

we are one and the same.
;-)

be well. david

[JulieSmithdccd]

given a choice, i would move on. the state of 3d at this time is such that it leaves me feeling borderline schizophrenic most of the time and greatly impedes my ability to be of what i consider adequate service in that i end up wasting way too much energy just trying to ground myself and stave off depression.

maybe if i was a little more "native," i'd stay, but the way things are, i just don't see that i'd be of much service in a body here outside of this transition period. being completely honest, i think i could better serve creation in a slightly more "rarified" existence than the one i find myself in at present.

so, sorry! i'll be out the door like a sixteen-year-old after passing his driving test!

zoom!

[GenryDont]

i was just thinking about a question much like this one.

i love to be here right now and be of service as it is such a beautiful horizon to see manifesting infront of me.

the more i serve my self and others the more i know i grow. if i were to always choose to stay in 3rd density i would be sending out a thought of staying.

i choose not to think of staying but to think of growing... of serving (gardening). my love is always manifesting more and more outward and around, grasping as far out as it can reach and i think that i could never say to it that it had to stay.

my service will always be sent out to all as much as i can. and that alone tells me that i will always be serving those in 3rd, 2nd and 1st as well with grasping upward to the 8th.

there is no stagnation in nature. things are always changing. it is not for me to say that i will be against such change but for me to say that the change is what it is and that is the flow of the eternal love that i wish to know and encompass in my life.

i choose to not go against change but to go with the change.

*this reminded me of lao tzu; so i found some quotes:


"if you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading."

"if you realize that all things change, there is nothing you will try to hold on to. if you are not afraid of dying, there is nothing you cannot achieve."

"life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. don't resist them - that only creates sorrow. let reality be reality. let things flow naturally forward in whatever way they like."



ultimately it comes to love. my love. and my love is ever expanding and ever growing. for those who feel it today it is meant for you today and for those that it reaches tomorrow that is when it reaches you today. my service is today, my love is today, and that alone makes it last forever.

may my service be that of my love, in being eternal so as not to leave one unloved but all to be loved and as my love is ever effected by me let that be my eternal connection that allows it to forever reach higher manifestations as i myself will always be making my return to the eternal.



tons of love,


brent

[Wckcvhsg]

[quote=kamisama;30249]would you be willing to stay here for another thousand of years cycle and give up this new world of peace (for now) to keep working with those who arent ready and would need your guidance? would you be willing to give up this beautiful new world for others who are greedy, materialistic and on the wrong path? knowing that you can help them even if it takes a long while?

regarding the above question, it seems to me that there is no such thing as being on the wrong path. all paths lead to the creator. some just take longer.

if those who are on a path which takes longer than mine need my help and call for it, i will be able to help them no matter where i am, or whatever density, much like ra does/did.

love and light,
whetherwhich

[kazinopartnerkae]

i would take the path that offered the greatest lessons or knowledge for my particular stage of development.
if this knowledge was for whatever reason not known or given to me then i would definitely take the path of what would currently seem unknown to me but of higher power and experience,...that being the higher level or golden age we speak of.

[HRS1H7gO]

is the plan so simple as ~
we re-member, ~
we light a member ~
the member re-members ~
and lights another member

at least one re-member for each member.

re-member, you are love and nothing else.

ha ! i really liked that one. :d

[SpeavaJap]

i see it like this: since we are here, wondering how to be there, by learning that we are everywhere (here comes the the beatles again...), the simple tought of ascending becomes obsolete in it's distorted hierarchic basis... so beingness, no matter where, can return to it's peaceful and wise freedom.

good day to us !