[viagsjicguara]

however, i must admit i am lacking in the general (and large) realm of love and acceptance of myself. i've realized that out of self-respect and to heal that issue, i should work on balancing the other energy centers and such.

john,

you posted an excellent "dilemma" here, of which most of us at one time or another have (or currently are) dealing with. i don't want to be nosy about your personal life, but i would advise you to identify what you don't love about yourself, etc. if i may, i don't think the answers to "loving and accepting yourself" can be found with balancing the other energy centers (i could be way off here though, as my "knowledge" of energy centers, etc. is limited...).

i would suggest this:

you are an awakening individual - you have freely chosen to pursue a spiritually enriching life.

release any "emotional tethers" from your past; in other words, learn to forgive yourself for past mistakes, and it'll be easier to forgive others. its all water under the bridge as long as you let it (this is easier said than done). once you let go of the negative, all that will be left is love.

in the "eyes" of "the creator" you are perfect the way you are; this is another challenge - to see yourself this way.

see yourself as an angel of light; see yourself as an angel of love

i hope this helps.

art

[uncoodync]

i understand this process can be overwhelming, believe me, i've been there, in many respects i still am. i think it's significant that you understand that you need to do this, it means you are in touch with your higher guidance, and you can get more insight from there than probably any of us can provide.

if you wish to work with the chakras, i have taken some classes and read books on that subject, i would be happy to share anything that may be helpful. there are many ways to do this, just experiment until you find something that feels right. the main thing is your intent and your focus, like the old saying, energy flows where your attention goes. using the colors is an excellent way, just breathe the colors thru your chakras. imagine them spinning if you feel like this will help. there are specific chants that go with each chakra also if this feel useful.

and don't be afraid to ask for guidance. if you feel any "emotional tethers" like art mentioned i've found it helpful to ask the archangel michael to use his mighty sword to cut you free. i also highly recommend robert bruce's "energy body manipulation development and self healing systems"

blessings
manny

[viagsjicguara]

the main thing is your intent and your focus, like the old saying, energy flows where your attention goes.

manny,

very good response, i especially like the quoted sentence. i did not wish to imply that balancing the energy centers was not important, for my within limited understanding of chakras exists the knowledge that an imbalance in your energy body can manifest emotionally, mentally, physically. how this works is still a mystery to me, and i too would like to learn more.

i guess my question here is, if you could, please explain how imbalances in the other chakras could affect the sense of loving oneself. in other words, john's statement "personally, i feel i am already decently centered and healthy in the heart area. however, i must admit i am lacking in the general (and large) realm of love and acceptance of myself. i've realized that out of self-respect and to heal that issue, i should work on balancing the other energy centers and such." seemed to me to be contradictory. again, let me throw in that caveat of limited knowledge about the chakra system and how it works together...

as you thoughtfully mentioned, "i think it's significant that you understand that you need to do this, it means you are in touch with your higher guidance, and you can get more insight from there than probably any of us can provide." understanding this need is one of the first major steps of the awakening process. in addition, all of us have access to guidance from not only our higher self, but also other higher beings as well - thanks for mentioning that.

john - i hope these responses help somewhat. you are correct - many can benefit from the answers you seek...

art

[uncoodync]

manny,
very good response, i especially like the quoted sentence.

yes, definitely one of my favorites, it has been attributed to several authors, altho i think the original author was ernest holmes, founder of the science of mind. i have also heard, energy flows where attention goes, and the result shows.

an imbalance in your energy body can manifest emotionally, mentally, physically. how this works is still a mystery to me, and i too would like to learn more.

dan millman had an excellent analogy for this. he said imagine the energy is flowing thru you in the form of a garden hose. now imagine the hose gets a kink (emotional block) in it. it doesn't matter where the kink is located, what is important is that the energy flow is lessened both in front and and behind the kink in the hose. i don't think we really understand how this energy flow works, i suspect somehow the energy flows thru us and goes out to create our reality. thus if we don't have enough energy flowing out to create what we intend, we get stuck with either, what you could call 'default' situations, or what others intend for us, which may not always be best for us.

john's statement "personally, i feel i am already decently centered and healthy in the heart area. however, i must admit i am lacking in the general (and large) realm of love and acceptance of myself. i've realized that out of self-respect and to heal that issue, i should work on balancing the other energy centers and such." seemed to me to be contradictory.

now i can't speak for john, but it seems to me that he simply realized that some aspects of his energy were not operating at peak efficiency, in accordance with his divine blueprint, you might say. it was my impression that he hadn't figured it out entirely, but had an idea that things in this area could be improved. in other words his guidance was probably showing him the areas that needed some love and attention, even tho this may not have made any sense to his conscious/ego mind

i hope this answers your questions because i am not at all sure if i completely understand all of what you were asking.

peace and blessings
manny

[viagsjicguara]

manny,

thank you for your response and yes, you answered my questions. i'm starting to understand that you cannot necessarily separate these energy centers, and how an imbalance in "a different energy center" could indeed result in john's "effects". i've come to the conclusion that i need to better understand how these centers "relate" to each other in the overall system and how important it is to "operate at peak efficiency", so to speak.

looking forward to learning more - thanks again for your excellent response.

art

[Wrencytet]

dear andromeda111 ( i love the 111 and the galaxy that is meant to be with us one day)
i am sparked with interest to hear you mention self love and acceptance . i struggle with self love. the insight i have found for myself is that i have to acknowledge i "judge myself". i unlove myself for any number of reasons. i am not to judge myself this way for any thing that i have done wrong or think is wrong or good.
this is challenging to me because i identify with the judgements of others and join them in it when i am not suppose to this. you can image the pain and destruction i level to myself! how can i love myself if i am continually judging myself or allowe judgement of myself?
i pray not to do this, if i did it to a friend i would soon loose them. image if i focused on the good things in me and encouraged every step, how happy i would be , how exciting would be my living , loving and giving! ah but i obcess on my failing and hurt myself more! thank you for talking about self love and acceptance it is such a beautiful topic to encourage being in love, accepting with our selves so we can love and accept others. it is a personal lesson given through trials or the hard school of expereintial learning. i teach developmentally delayed learners and when i know their difficulties , acknowledge them and honor them then i am able to accept them and help thme maybe learn . i must learn first to accept them .
thank you for your heart and search for heart.

[VZF74G0M]

thanks for the replies!

my knowledge of the chakra's is not that great either, so this is where i might be a bit off. what i was thinking, in regards to how that would affect the sense of loving and accepting yourself, is like (as an extreme example) 'not exercising regularly/not taking good care of oneself, shows disrespect, carelessness, and little love towards oneself - so therefore doing the opposite would show respect and love for oneself'.

similarly, it came to my mind that - as the above actions likely deal with the lower chakra - perhaps taking actions that relate to the other energy centers and working on healing those whatever they may be, would assist in the same thing. with my little knowledge that i've been able to gather on the chakra's, though, i'm not exactly sure what those general actions for each chakra would be.

this is challenging to me because i identify with the judgements of others and join them in it when i am not suppose to this. you can image the pain and destruction i level to myself! how can i love myself if i am continually judging myself or allowe judgement of myself?

that definately touches what i am dealing with as well. it seems that whenever i interact with people i do not know well, the thought continually runs through my mind, 'what are they thinking of me? are they judging me in some way?' as much as i've been working, i'm still trying to break free of that. but, i've made much progress and am brightly optimistic as i'm learning more and more to believe in myself!

endless love,
john

[illignocearia]

my knowledge of the chakra's is not that great either, so this is where i might be a bit off. what i was thinking, in regards to how that would affect the sense of loving and accepting yourself, is like (as an extreme example) 'not exercising regularly/not taking good care of oneself, shows disrespect, carelessness, and little love towards oneself - so therefore doing the opposite would show respect and love for oneself'. you have successfully created a link between what the chakras should do versus what they are capable of . the law of one speaks extensively on how the chakras are integral in the human body, so i always suggest that all of you read the law of one, as it is a handy guide to self improvement, really.
if you go to llresearch.org , you can search their complete pdf collection of the books. ra called the chakras "rays", so search under that.

you know, so often we want a shortcut to reading and we ask other people, but the best way to get your own take on things is to read and interpret for yourself-that just means we are thinking for ourselves and not depending on others opinions. this is a really great thread guys. it will become exceptional when you add some law of one knowledge. keep up the good work. chris

[alenbarbaf]

just a reminder...interact with the sunlight with a great big smile and thanks

that beautiful star in the sky can and will help you enliven and balance your chakras, if you ask and energize that relationship.

simply be more regularly conscious of it and speak to it and it will be there to help you adjust and align and en"light"en : )

the best to you, john!

[illignocearia]

in the first book of law of one, ra gives a basic overview of the energy centers, which i mentioned before, called 'rays'. it is very easy to search for rays at llresearch.org and there is a wealth of information there. ra always says that 'we have to do it ourself', paraphrased of course . i have always liked that approach, as it keeps me from becoming lazy and expecting other-selves from giving me answers that may not fit me anyways. anyway, here is the first excerpt that i like, as a start to understanding our energy centers. it is from book i, session 15 of loo.

questioner: how does an individual go about balancing himself? what is the first step?

ra: i am ra. the steps are only one; that is, an understanding of the energy centers which make up the mind/body/spirit complex. this understanding may be briefly summarized as follows. the first balancing is of the malkuth, or earth, vibratory energy complex, called the red-ray complex. an understanding and acceptance of this energy is fundamental. the next energy complex, which may be blocked is the emotional, or personal complex, also known as the orange-ray complex. this blockage will often demonstrate itself as personal eccentricities or distortions with regard to self-conscious understanding or acceptance of self.

the third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. it is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center. blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions toward power manipulation and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex. those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the law of one.

the center of heart, or green-ray, is the center from which third-density beings may springboard, shall we say, to infinite intelligence. blockages in this area may manifest as difficulties in expressing what you may call universal love or compassion.

the blue-ray center of energy streaming is the center which, for the first time, is outgoing as well as inpouring. those blocked in this area may have difficulty in grasping the spirit/mind complexes of its own entity and further difficulty in expressing such understandings of self. entities blocked in this area may have difficulties in accepting communication from other mind/body/spirit complexes.

the next center is the pineal or indigo-ray center. those blocked in this center may experience a lessening of the influx of intelligent energy due to manifestations which appear as unworthiness. this is that of which you spoke. as you can see, this is but one of many distortions due to the several points of energy influx into the mind/body/spirit complex. the indigo-ray balancing is quite central to the type of work which revolves about the spirit complex, which has its influx then into the transformation or transmutation of third density to fourth density, it being the energy center receiving the least distorted outpourings of love/light from intelligent energy and also the potential for the key to the gateway of intelligent infinity.

the remaining center of energy influx is simply the total expression of the entity’s vibratory complex of mind, body, and spirit. it is as it will be, “balanced” or “imbalanced” has no meaning at this energy level, for it gives and takes in its own balance. whatever the distortion may be, it cannot be manipulated as can the others and, therefore, has no particular importance in viewing the balancing of an entity. i think most humans have problems with the orange and yellow rays, those, of course, tied in with our interactions with ourself and others, and there can be alot of distortions stemming from those two areas. in the archives somewhere there is a "chakra test" that you can take that measures the areas, so if you do a search on the forums and look for 'chakra test', that is an interesting way to look for your balances and imbalances. chris

[viagsjicguara]

chris -

thank you for including the loo information to this post and "directions" on how to find further information within the loo transcripts. this discussion, and the quick research i did for the post on meditation (kundalini activation) have brought me back into focus on the chakra system. i'm beginning to formulate more of a holistic, instead of reductionist viewpoint on the chakra system... in other words, the information is available to "break down" the whole into parts and study each "individually", however, when trying to go in reverse (building the whole from the parts), there is something missing...

i look forward to learning more - thank you all for helping shed some light on this for me!

art

[illignocearia]

you are welcome art! i have been reading loo steadily since 1999 and i still find new and interesting ideas in it, and that is why i stick with it . i did find the url from the archives for the chakra test, and here it is :

http://www.eclecticenergies.com/chakras/chakratest.php

enjoy! chris

[VZF74G0M]

i do remember reading that section in book 1. i finished reading through book 2 awhile ago, but among other reading material and so on i have not yet gotten around to reading book 3 and beyond. i'm curious if there is more talk of this subject in the later books. i do plan on reading the rest of them soon and am looking forward to learning more.

i did find these quotes from book 1, which seem to touch on the importance of balance and not neglecting the lower energy centers:
"some in eagerness attempt to penetrate the higher planes before penetrating the energies of the so-called more fundamental planes. this causes energy imbalance."

"you will find ill health, as you call this distortion, to frequently be the result of a subtle mismatch of energies in which some of the higher energy levels are being activated by the conscious attempts of the entity while the entity has not penetrated the lower energy centers or sub-densities of this density."

[illignocearia]

from andromeda:
i'm curious if there is more talk of this subject [chakras] in the later books. i do plan on reading the rest of them soon and am looking forward to learning more. the 3rd book does discuss them. one is in regards to the 'shape' they resemble because of their vibratory state (session 51, the first one in book iii) and then again in sesson 54. session 54 is more in regards to 4d positive and negative entities and how they use the rays differently to get what they want, but this can also be applicable in our 3d world.

i would venture a guess that if we learned to balance our lower chakras (red, yellow, and orange) in a positive manner, then our higher centers (green, blue, and indigo) would naturally progress to being more useful for us. now, this would also mean that using the lower rays negatively, for separation from and control over others, would make us utilize green (heart) and blue (communication with self and others) energy only enough to get us to indigo so we could use that entry to intelligent infinity for our own gain. so, basically what we are doing in 3d, is simply to learn from the catalyst that we put in front of ourselves so we can start to balance the lower centers. there are very few of us at this point who have all of these lower centers in balance (i know i don't!). so, like kenneth and the others aren't as separated from all of us as they sometimes think. we arereally in this together. all we can do is just keep trying chris

[pageup85]

...so, basically what we are doing in 3d, is simply to learn from the catalyst that we put in front of ourselves so we can start to balance the lower centers...

somewhere in the thread is mention of the "mind/body/spirit complex" within which seems an interconnection of opportunities - that by helping one portion one may help another.

for example, this weekend i'm doing an apple juice fast / lemon and olive oil gall bladder cleansing. it seems a very simple and low cost process that helps to rejuvenate me. through this process my gallstone blockages are cleared. as my gall bladder clears, then my liver runs less congested, my blood cleanses, my digestion improves and my energy level is better. so i expect that by doing this little maintenance (on my glands) that the balancing of my chakras (by way of removing blockages) may improve.

[please email soup for the url on the treatment]

[DrCeshing]

you know, so often we want a shortcut to reading and we ask other people, but the best way to get your own take on things is to read and interpret for yourself-that just means we are thinking for ourselves and not depending on others opinions. this is a really great thread guys. it will become exceptional when you add some law of one knowledge. keep up the good work. chris

chris:

i completely agree with you regarding doing the reading and getting our own take on things. i have been reluctant to post as i feel i have soooo much to read and learn and do not want to come across as ignorant or uniformed. (not to say anyone else is). when i have asked the odd "newbie" type question on this forum, i have had some wonderful answers from people who have obviously done a lot of reading and so, sometimes, it is very helpful to be able to ask other people's views on these subjects when even reading about these things can be very confusing.

i am currently on my second full reading of the lol, but i'm sure it should be read over and over again. i also read a lot of q'uo and, of course, this forum.

in any case, i just wanted to say this thread has been beneficial to me in as much as i have been wondering about the chakras and how to figure out which ones may be blocked and how to unblock them, as well as various forms of meditation. the link that you put in your prior post was very beneficial. i did the chakra test and found lots on meditation. seems my root chakra needs work. anyway, thank you for that.

i suppose what you are saying though is that should search out these questions for ourselves, read about them and come to our own conclusions. i'm looking forward to my holidays where i plan to read, read, read.

kris

[uncoodync]

fi would venture a guess that if we learned to balance our lower chakras (red, yellow, and orange) in a positive manner, then our higher centers (green, blue, and indigo) would naturally progress to being more useful for us. now, this would also mean that using the lower rays negatively..

i think you hit the nail right on the head, with that statement, from what i have read and studied the lower 3 chakras are all related to 3rd dimension, and the upper 4 relate to the higher ones. the lower ones are somewhat like the foundation, so if one were to try to develop the upper ones first, it would be somewhat like trying to build a house before the foundation is completed. on the other hand these divisions are somewhat arbitrary and here in the 3rd dimension it is sometimes helpful to split things up and create divisions to understand each 'part' better.

i do not personally feel that we need to use the lower ones negatively at all, and i don't see any advantage in doing that. this is just my personal experience and opinion, and i do understand that everyone sees these things in their own unique way.

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...as my gall bladder clears, then my liver runs less congested, my blood cleanses, my digestion improves and my energy level is better... it amazes me how many gallstones i've passed - this time being the fifth in about a year and a half of ever doing it. apparently with highly congested gallbladders the more ancient gallstones come out later - as was the case today, many dime size and pea size dark pebbles. i thought for sure i passed them all last time and then felt more break loose from being impacted a few months ago - was waiting for a window of opportunity and it finally came. now, i have a tremendous energy level, like i could go running for a while and enjoy it, where before i wouldn't typically feel like exercise after work.

[VZF74G0M]

i haven't posted anything here since the old discussion group, so hello again to all of you!

lately i've been feeling that i would like to take more action towards my spiritual growth, and less sitting, reading, and taking things in in a more passive way.

personally, i feel i am already decently centered and healthy in the heart area. however, i must admit i am lacking in the general (and large) realm of love and acceptance of myself. i've realized that out of self-respect and to heal that issue, i should work on balancing the other energy centers and such. so, the idea i've come up with is to simply start from the bottom chakra and work upwards. to start with red ray, recently, i have been working on eating even healthier than i usually do, and substantially increased the time i exercise, etc.

my question here is regarding what types of actions or experiences should be taken in order to clear/balance/heal each energy center to a decent level? i have only a basic knowledge on this subject, and the research i've done so far has not spoken specifically about the types of experiences that each chakra deals with (many sources say different things, which has led me to confusion lol). orange, yellow, and blue are the ones i'm most confused with, as they seem to be very similar.

who knows, am i even getting the stuff i mentioned above right or am i really more mixed up with this than i thought? lol!

anyways, any info would be greatly appreciated - hopefully this could be useful to others as well!

endless love,
- john

[User-Luser]

i was just wondering if anyone has had an experience of burning out the heart center. it happened to me after i had been sick and tried to "keep giong" by visualizing golden rods of light up my backbone. this seemed to help my energy level but then it seemed to over amp me. it was very euphoric at first and i was extremely happy giong to bed feeling great and kinda woozy and when i woke up i was in great pain in the heart area. this continued for about three days. thanks.