[shieclulaweew]

i know none of us know the answer, but i was wondering how did "god" or conscioness even start? what started all of this or it was always there? you think we will find the answer when we are enlightened?

[topbonusescod]

the first thing known was infinity. then, infinity became aware. this formed the creator in all its glory.

ra explains that we are in a system of progression that can be seperated into seven octaves. so let me compare this to the keys of a piano. the first tone on the octave is the c. c has no idea where it came from. then the d note is played, and in comes dualism: suddenly there's c and d! however... they interact but have no way to define the interaction. nothing is yet odd, for one is alone and two is even!

then e comes along, releasing c and d from their confusion and then they say, hey, i think i am!

well this goes until the octave has learned about its notes, c, d, e, f, g, a, and b. the a note is where ra currently is; the sixth out of seven. thusly it is familiar with all the tones besides the b and the next octave beginning "starting" another c. ra is progressing strongly towards the b tone that will make the experience of all the tones in this octave, complete. in other words, the only thing that keeps ra from "going back into the creator" is the fact that certain wisdom still is not yet fully penetrated. when all octaves are covered the realization occurs in the form of, "we are all there is" and so the travel back into source begins. this forms/unforms the self to be the creator in all of its glory, and is where ra is going (where we all are going!). next is the eighth tone, and it is again the c, and is thus a new beginning, yet harmonious with the prior c that also knew nothing and needed to learn all over.

ra: the 8th density functions also as the beginning density or 1st density of the next octave of densities.
question: are you saying that there are an infinite number of octaves of densities?
ra: we can not speak in firm knowledge of all the creations. we only know that they are infinite. we assume an infinite number of octaves. however it has been impressed upon us by our own teachers that there is a mystery-clad unity of creation in which all consciousness periodically coalesces and again begins. we understand it is cyclical in nature. (b2, 15)

so, you see, there are seventh densities of experience with the eighth being the same as the first, thusly forming a never-ending spiral where the next c note has some of the qualities of the previous octave.

does this answer your question? please ask more specific queries if this is not satisfactory enough.

namaste,
mark.

[topbonusescod]

i correct myself... i intended to say
"ra explains that we are in a system of progression that can be seperated into seven densities that form one octave."

[topbonusescod]

also, please be aware of the following:

questioner: can you give me some kind of history of your social memory complex and how you became aware of the law of one?

ra: i am ra. the path of our learning is graven in the present moment. there is no history, as we understand your concept. picture, if you will, a circle of being. we know the alpha and omega as infinite intelligence. the circle never ceases. it is present. the densities we have traversed at various points in the circle correspond to the characteristics of cycles: first, the cycle of awareness; second, the cycle of growth; third, the cycle of self-awareness; fourth, the cycle of love or understanding; fifth, the cycle of light or wisdom; sixth, the cycle of light/love, love/light or unity; seventh, the gateway cycle; eighth, the octave which moves into a mystery we do not plumb.

[pageup85]

...i was wondering how did "god" or conscioness even start?... maybe a key to the answer is in the question - specifically in the word "start". where did the concept of "start and finish" come into being - was it with the invention of the clock or calendar? possibly there was the concept of birth and death which came earlier. so when was it born and when does it die, or is it somewhere inbetween as in a process of living?

[Maydayvar]

just avoid the time aspect. i've wondered the same thing but in a simpler question:

why does anything exist?

follow-up trains of thought:

why is there not nothing instead? granted this an ironic question, for if there were nothing, i would not be here to ask the question.

[Drysnyaty]

it seems harder to conceive of nothing than something. i don't think there can be both. it also seems harder to think of a bunch of things rather than one all inclusive thing, as this would seem to suggest a bunch of nothing between them. so therefore it seems harder to think of everything than only one all inclusive thing.

it also seems harder to conceive of 'start/finish' than 'always was, always will be', as this also seems to suggest some nothingness before and after. it seems harder to conceive of always 'was/will be' than only ever 'now', because past and future don't really exist. they can't be visited, they're not there. only now seems to exist.

the conscious mind seems designed only to think in parceled bits of start/stop, before and after, here and there, something and nothing. perhaps only deeper levels of consciousness can comprehend otherwise...good reason to start meditating! :d