[Aqgkvwzm]

Hi guys,
I'm not able to achieve a fully conscious exit so far although I'm trying hard during the past 2 months. In the past couple of days I started to think that I'm not applying the rope technique very well. The problem is this. I lay down, do the relaxation, energy bouncing, etc, then I start to feel the vibrations (although very mild). I wait patiently for them to pass and then I feel like I'm entering the hypnagogic state where I 'see' pictures, scenes and even hear sounds in rare times. At this point, I'm starting to lose consciousness and if I remain passive, I fall asleep. So, I decide to proceed with the rope. However, when I do that, my mind become too active while imagining myself climbing the rope and I feel I'm not in trance anymore. I'm out of the hypnagogic state. The sensations I feel while climbing the rope are strong - I feel like something is leaving my body. This is felt heavily in the legs and arms but is almost absent in the body and head. This sensation leaves my legs and arms completely paralyzed. I feel them stiff like they are dead...
Unfortunately, the end result is no projection and I'm out of the trance because of the mental activity applying the exit technique.

Anyone had the same problem? What would you recommend?

Thanks much!
Atanas

[VemyhemiHef]

I recommend you continue to pull on the rope and not stop. You are supposed to feel 'awake' and that is not an indication that the trance has passed. If you think you have waken up and it's over, get up and walk around. You may be surprised to find yourself floating.
My advice for this (there is more than one but I'll stick to this one for now) is that, when you think you have failed, do not roll over and go to sleep- instead, get up and walk around.

[AbraroLib]

The key to doing rope is doing it by FEEL.

In other words, no visualization. Imagine the room is pitch black.

Feel all the small muscles tensing as you pull on the rope.

[Belindanan]

I have attempted Rope hundreds of times and never had success. I have gone as long as an hour lying still and imagining climbing and get NO sensations or exits!! I am experimenting now with rolling and sliding or falling (mixing it up a bit). This goes against what CF says, but is just my experience.

[VemyhemiHef]

Which goes to show that everyone is different. There are so many exit techs to try, that it'd be a shame to only use one.

[AbraroLib]

I never got any results from rope either until I started doing it right.

[Aqgkvwzm]

Thanks for the reply guys!

Enochian, what was your mistake with the rope? What did you change in order to succeed?

I do exactly what you say - I do not visualize the rope, I'm imagining it in my hands while I'm pulling my self up. This brings me a very strong sensation that something is exiting/separating from my limbs. I feel my limbs totally stiff and paralyzed. Also, I think my muscles tense a lot - not sure if this is good. I spend a lot of time on physical relaxation so I doubt this to be the problem. I'm actually pretty sure because I had occasions when I wake during the night feeling vibrations and whole body paralyzed. Then I attempt the rope but again I have the very same sensations but no projection at the end.
I'm worried that I do not feel the famous sensations like floating, dizzy feeling, hugeness, spinning, etc.

[VemyhemiHef]

Thanks for the reply guys!

Enochian, what was your mistake with the rope? What did you change in order to succeed?

Enochian will obviously be the one to answer this.

I do exactly what you say - I do not visualize the rope, I'm imagining it in my hands while I'm pulling my self up. This brings me a very strong sensation that something is exiting/separating from my limbs. I feel my limbs totally stiff and paralyzed. Also, I think my muscles tense a lot - not sure if this is good. I spend a lot of time on physical relaxation so I doubt this to be the problem. I'm actually pretty sure because I had occasions when I wake during the night feeling vibrations and whole body paralyzed. Then I attempt the rope but again I have the very same sensations but no projection at the end. The sensations you are describing are the correct sensations for the beginning of the process. However, it's possible that if you are feeling vibrations and seeing hypnagogics perhaps rope is not the technique you should do.
I use rope when I get vibrations, and when I want to 'force' an exit (or when I'm halfway out, etc.) But if I feel floaty already or dizzy, or huge, I do not use rope. That's because those sensations are an indication that you are already out, and doing rope actually centralizes you in your body, so it is like defeating the purpose.
If you are feeling floaty, swimmy, etc. before you get to the exit, try a different exit technique, like waterski, surfing, or swinging- something that uses the feeling of movement that you already are feeling.
If you don't feel any of those things, then rope is a good technique, provided that you do it long enough, (at least 45 minutes) and you don't roll over and go to sleep after declaring defeat- instead get up and walk around (I know I said this before, but it bears repeating). If you do these things and no dice, you can always back to trance, back to ebody loosening, and you can continue to gauge your sensations and taylor the exit technique to your needs. Remember there are many exit techniques, and you should try them all.

[Aqgkvwzm]

After I fail on the rope I try some of the other techniques especially waterski, crawling, rolling and walking but none of these cause that strong sensations as rope does. The big difference I see here is that I do rope for maximum of 5 minutes which is a lot different than 45 minutes
I remember reading that one should quickly switch the exit techniques during an exit attempt if a particular one does not promote results in several minutes. But I will change that and will try to climb the rope much longer.
I appreciate your help!

[Aqgkvwzm]

I just found out what Robert says on the matter:
"If you don't get out in the first fifteen minutes I doubt if you will during that attempt. IF this is the case, either get up and have a break and come back to it later, or get some sleep."
http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/astr ... -rope.html

This leaves me a bit confused. I guess that I should do rope for longer periods in the beging to master the technique. But after that, I shouldn't spend more that 15 minutes on the rope... What do you think?
Sorry to get borring but I want to understand the technique correctly. Any doubt or unclarity and the lack of success might ruin my motivation, so I want to be sure I'm doing everything correctly and is a matter of practice and time to achieve a conscious exit.

[VemyhemiHef]

I think he is correct, up to a point. I have used the method for a longer time, but I was being stubborn and I simply did not stop doing it- until it worked. However, it was not easy- it was like trying to lever myself up while having an elephant sitting on my chest, and shooting fireworks. So for the beginner, I do agree that you shouldn't do it for long periods of time, since you don't know what's going to happen next.
However, I do disagree with Robert in that you should get some sleep afterwards. Getting up is what I recommend, for the simple reason that if you try rope a number of times, fail for reasons that have nothing to do with the technique itself, and then roll over and go to sleep, what you are is training yourself to sleep after rope, and that's not what it's for.
Instead, I recommend to go back to trance, energy body loosening, and then try either a different exit technique or rope again- with the understanding that whatever happens, you are not going to roll over and go to sleep right after.

[Aqgkvwzm]

Hi,
This is an update from the yesterday night when I had the chance to experiment doing rope for a longer period (longer than a few minutes). I did rope for maybe about 30 minutes. I did not project but felt a new interesting sensations and somehow felt that I'm closer to projection. I felt a wave of vibrations that was moving in my lower body, strongly felt in the base and navel center. I felt my whole body paralyzed.
What was more important, I was in trance while I was doing the rope. It think this thread helped me a lot. Thanks. I will continue my projection attempts.