[VIAGRA-]

All,

Lately i have been having some issues moving around in Real Time Zone. Sometimes my movements are scattered, others i get stuck in my body when trying to move away (usually just a limb gets stuck, and i can feel the energy draining as i try to free myself). I have read as well as heard that the RTZ only lasts a short period of time before shifting to the Astral, either instantaneously, or via a portal.

My question is, in my situation and similar circumstances, what is the best advice for getting into the Astral? Should i wait it out as long as possible, find a portal, etc? I know it's best to get away from your body, but what if you struggle to do so? Is there a way to get into the astral in this case? I have asked to be "shown what i'm supposed to see" and that has worked on occasion, for whatever reason i'm not sure.

Thanks in advance for all responses,
Smythe

[Npbfamgt]

Greetings Smythe
One general piece of advise I can offer is to move away from your physical body as soon as an OBE begins. The longer a person remains near their physical body during an OBE the more likely their physical body will draw them back. That is why you are sometimes 'stuck' and unable to go elsewhere.
Another idea is to have a specific goal in mind for the next OBE. Someplace that you would like to go? A person you would like to visit? In this case it greatly helps to have an emotional bond with that personal or place. Unfamiliar people and locations are hard to connect to and it is quite possible that you could end up somewhere else entirely.

Good luck and keep us posted on any successes.
Regards
Grey

[VIAGRA-]

Thanks for the response Grey,

The only problem i have with getting away from my body is the fact that i have a small loft, and despite my best efforts, i'm rarely able to fly through my walls / ceilings, so its difficult for me to get away from my body, as strange as it sounds.

I usually set the intention to see more clearly, and to absorb as much energy as possible as soon as i come out. I'm thinking since i've never really been able to go through walls / fly in RTZ, i'm wondering if that's because i'm supposed to be doing something else, rather than waste time in RTZ.

Thanks again,
Smythe

[diseeKeythilt]

Hello, Smythe.

What things were different or anomalous when you were out? (Things present that are not in your physical apartment, for example.) And did these happen while you had problems going through walls?

Cheers,
Oliver

[VemyhemiHef]

All,

Lately i have been having some issues moving around in Real Time Zone. Sometimes my movements are scattered, others i get stuck in my body when trying to move away (usually just a limb gets stuck, and i can feel the energy draining as i try to free myself). I have read as well as heard that the RTZ only lasts a short period of time before shifting to the Astral, eit
Theher instantaneously, or via a portal.

Hi Smythe.
There are many reasons as to why you may get stuck in your body when trying to exit, but my first standby is energy- it's possible that you need to develop your etheric body more to have a full exit and still be able to maneuver once you're out.
Since your target seems to be the astral, perhaps you can try to directly phase there instead of exiting and then shifting. But then again, perhaps you're supposed to learn to deal with the exit problem before going to the astral. I'm not sure, but I'll give you a few ideas.

When you think you're ready for an exit, instead of doing an exit technique, wait until you have visual information, (hypnagogic screens) and focus behind them. Try to synchronize with the visions enough to 'slow them down.' When you do this, focus on the background of a scene and let yourself be sucked in. You are now in the astral. You can either explore where you are or fly away. There should not be any problem, because the 'body' you are using is more subtle than the etheric body and there is less of a sense of space and time.

If you cannot phase, (and sometimes you can't) do a regular exit technique and see where it takes you. If you find you are partially out, don't struggle to get out- instead adopt an energy body loosening technique and do it for a bit- and then try to settle yourself and observe what kind of mental state you're in- then decide whether you can start an exit technique again, or stay in the observer state a little bit longer.

If you get out successfully, get away from your physical body ASAP and go through a door or wall or window. After this, you may already be in the astral (going through a barrier sometimes shifts you automatically). If not, look for anomalies or vortexes. Or just fly away.

If you find that trying to fly away makes you go back in body, this tells me you either need more etheric body development, or simply more time, depending on the particular time this happens in.

[tarmpriopay]

The only problem i have with getting away from my body is the fact that i have a small loft, and despite my best efforts, i'm rarely able to fly through my walls / ceilings, so its difficult for me to get away from my body, as strange as it sounds. I think part of the problem is you might be doing it wrong when you try to go through stuff. There actually is a bit of technique when it comes to phasing, doesn't happen automatically, at least for me. What you do is send an intention for your energy bodys frequency to adjust to whatever your going through and push against it. If you do it right, you'll feel all tingly and then begin to move through it. If it's your first time it'll probably be easier if you don't look at whatever your going through.

Also and this might not be the case for you, but sometimes when I'm in simulations, they prevent me from phasing if I'm supposed to do something in a certain area.

[VemyhemiHef]

I usually set the intention to see more clearly, and to absorb as much energy as possible as soon as i come out. I'm thinking since i've never really been able to go through walls / fly in RTZ,

I see two problems with this- your perceptual apparatus is your vehicle. So if you attempt to absorb energy from the RTZ after you're out, this synchronizes you with your surroundings to the point that your density/vibration is equal to it. Like being in the physical, making your experience so much more mundane, and not that different than being in the physical- therefore you're not being able to fly or go through things. This seems counterproductive to me.

i'm wondering if that's because i'm supposed to be doing something else, rather than waste time in RTZ. I would say it's the opposite. If you have trouble going around the RTZ then there is more to learn before going somewhere else.

[VIAGRA-]

Quick update,

I was able to achieve the Vibes twice last night, and did 2 suggestions from this thread. One, i stayed in my body past the paralysis and vibes, instead of trying to get out, i just went with it and ended up sinking through my floor into my kitchen, away from my body, so that worked very well!

Secondly, i was in the vibes, and imagined a beach i had been to. I was immediately projected there, but exploring the area seemed to have a lot of dream material (cartoon characters in the sky, a downtown urban city right next to the beach...). I guess i'm not quite familiar with the astral yet, but are the environments relatively stable? I guess i'm confused at the difference between projecting to a certain place, and inducing a WILD. Whatever the environment, it was quite a ride.

Thanks again for all the help, as you can see it paid off immediately!

Take Care,
Smythe

[VemyhemiHef]

I'm glad to hear it.
The astral environment is where you dream- so that the difference between the "astral proper" and your dreamspace is the amount of subconscious material in it. So, inducing a WILD is the same as phasing, and the same as astral projecting.
If you wake up in a dream (that is, become lucid) then you can deal with whatever reason for the dream, or move away from the environment- fly away, fast. This is one of the ways to get into the 'astral proper' where the environments are a little more stable, yet they may be dreamlike anyway- because you are farther away from the physical. So really, anything is possible that you can imagine.

[Npbfamgt]

Greetings
As you may (or may not) know I am Not very big on the idea of phasing. BUT I think that phasing out of a dream or a lucid dream is a practicable and managable way to go out of body on a regular basis. Phasing OOB from a Non-normal (= non-awake) state of consciousness seems to be the key to me.
SOooo, Smythe, If you can enter the astral through a dream or a lucid dream (either by phasing or any other method) then it Should be much easier for you to get out of your room and to go where you please.
This method of going OOB through a dream is currently my main focus and I Have had 2 recent OBEs via this technique.
btw I will post both OBEs in a day or two.

Cheers
Grey