[halfstreet]

hey,

ive just been reading a whole bunch of posts here, and have come to a dsiturbing conclusion.

it seems that the majority of people here are "waiting for 2012" so to speak.
you all seem to believe that this will be the "time of awakening"

yet fail to understand, that the "time of awakening/ coming kingdom"
has been imminent, for every generation.
humans have always felt that "their generation" is the special one.
all generations have believed that they were "in the end times" or "on the brink of something grand"

yet....life just continues as normal.

this disturbs me deeply.
because on one hand, i want to believe in 2012, and the coming great age of peace, and connectedness.
but just studying history proves to me, that this has been a belief of mankind since forever.
so how can i just blindly accept it, knowing millions of others have, and it got them nowhere, so to speak.

so it came to me that beliefs of 2012 and some sort of 4d space/time is no different than christian dogmatic beliefs about heaven and hell. just a new package, thats all.

the other distrubing trend ive noticed is people putting off alot of things like school, and work because they believe in 2012 everything will change, and none of that will be needed.
this is wishful thinking at best.

but hey, i could be wrong. (hope i am)

but the main point i want to make is this....

meditation is about experiencing the eternal now.
forgetting past and future, because they dont exist.
only thing that exists is now!

so then, why focus on a future date so much????
why will this future date bring about change, when that change can come from now.
the only real moment that has ever, and will ever exist.

2012 is just a crutch, imo

change comes now, when we all want it.


ps some will reply saying that this time, is precisely the time that ancients were talking about, when talking about the coming ascension.
but that view doesnt hold water, when you actually study the ancient texts.
it is clear that the ancients weren't talking about a far away future date, but some day soon from their perspective. just as we now talk about 2012.

(i exclude the mayans and hindus in that analysis, as their timescales have always been "cosmic" timescale)

[flielagit]

the only thing i have to say is that you certainly don't have to 'blindly follow'. most of us here on this forum are here because of our common appreciation & respect of david wilcock's presentations, where he addresses your very concerns with a lot of scientific evidence & multiple research angles that indicate this isn't some ordinary time in history like the rest. watch his videos for some clarity......peace to you.

[mashabox]

meditation is about experiencing the eternal now.
forgetting past and future, because they dont exist.
only thing that exists is now!

you're damn right! seize the moment.

[DoctoNilsonDen]

2012 is just a crutch, imo

change comes now, when we all want it. you couldn't be more right.

i think people react differently when they are convinced the end is near. people can fall into the learned helplessness state, become hyper diligent in getting their house in order, or become really super nihilistic. it varies wildly. although, the end of the old world is enshrined in that date, in reality, the end could take any form, and happen at any time for any one of us. it doesn't have to be solar galactic alignment...

2012 is just another year. i'm not saying nothing will necessarily happen (whatever that means), but at the same time i'm not going to give up on who i love or what i want to do because "it may all be over soon and won't matter anyway". that could happen any day of the week, not just at the end of 2012. if i'm going to be judged, let me be judged on my self-responsibility, my devotion and intent, and what i tried to do in the face of uncertainty and adversity...

what do they say, live every day like your last?

[JennyStewarta]

i love your point. i'm happy you've started this thread. it's my interpretation, that if you read between the lines, you'll find most on this forum agree with you.

the oddest thing for me occurs when i simply go for a walk. who am i? what makes me possible? how is it that i am? am i?

you hear me?

i'm obsessed with this. these thoughts are my thoughts; correction- these thoughts are me.

i desire. tremendously. but there is nothing, was nothing, and never will be anything. so, what do we do? believing in nothing makes me nothing. being nothing is undesirable. believing in oppressing another makes me ill. what shall i believe in? america? capitalism? human nature? survival instinct? law? communism? spiritualism? war?

which of these is better than 2012?

we. each. believe. what we. each. believe. all is separate in 3d. all is separate in 3d. nothing is that was or is or will be. nothing.

[BruceQW]

i love your point. i'm happy you've started this thread. it's my interpretation, that if you read between the lines, you'll find most on this forum agree with you.

the oddest thing for me occurs when i simply go for a walk. who am i? what makes me possible? how is it that i am? am i?

you hear me?

i'm obsessed with this. these thoughts are my thoughts; correction- these thoughts are me.

i desire. tremendously. but there is nothing, was nothing, and never will be anything. so, what do we do? believing in nothing makes me nothing. being nothing is undesirable. believing in oppressing another makes me ill. what shall i believe in? america? capitalism? human nature? survival instinct? law? communism? spiritualism? war?

which of these is better than 2012?

we. each. believe. what we. each. believe. all is separate in 3d. all is separate in 3d. nothing is that was or is or will be. nothing.

my thoughts exactly. it's amazing how much stuff, and even more amazing how much crap we've made from nothing. everything is nothing... nothing is everything. theres a good song about that.

[Angelinaaiiiiiiiii]

@holoverse

i did not read all of your original post but felt totally compelled to post a response before i got past the first paragraph. you basically struck on a point i've been trying very hard to get across...

2012 may be a load of nonsense. you are extremely correct in what you said that the moment of now has always been heaven. the problem is that people consciously choose not to see it this way. that is the reason why the world on a macro level is hell, because people keep waiting for an event to automatically change their lives instantly for the better. people whom are ruled by fear cannot accept that god is perfect in all ways and totally unconditional in his love so they indeed become the children of a lesser god.

christians have the second coming but the new age crowd calls it '2012 ascension'. they are practically the same in what they teach if you misinterpret what they mean. wilcock has a lot of interesting evidence for a major event in 2012, but i will not believe anything until it comes. instead, i am making my own heaven now and not waiting for a potential possibility that i will automatically be uplifted. this is where i do believe in the idea of 2012. if enough people all around the world awaken at nearly the same time, something really amazing will happen worldwide. this is because we will have reclaimed our metaphysical natures and thus the very fabric of existence will have changed. the people who made the 2012 prophesy saw this event being very likely to happen in 2012, but i still believe you need to make personal progress to fully benefit from it.

2012 is very complicated, but at the same time it's really simple how a truly serious soul should take it; with a grain of salt. i would be quicker to believe the 2012 prophecy than the second coming of christ because at least 2012 includes all people. the actual goal of 2012 may actually be a counterbalance to the whole second coming concept. just look at it, it makes perfect sense that the second comings of all fear based religions are centered around excluding those that do not do something very specific for them.

2012 is in essence a second coming theory but it is one that promotes total free will and unconditional love. furthermore, it will only happen if humanity reaches a critical mass of awareness (there is no default ascension; it is a choice personally and globally). wilcock was clear to state that nothing at all could happen if we do not grow up. thus the real truth is that the 2012 prophecy was probably meant to give people an alternative to ruining your life fearing the day the antichrist comes to earth. in 2012, if you do not make it, there is no harm done. you simply repeat a similar 3d experience until you do get it. in this way, the truth is upheld and not impersonated by the erratic, fear mongering god.

a transcendence event is possible, but may not be probable if people do not begin to take their souls seriously. sometimes it looks like if we don't have this instant turn around we will go extinct in short order because the laws of physics dictate cause and effect. if enough damage is done to the planet, it will die. thus 2012 could literally be a point where we will attempt to pull a miracle hail mary play at the opposing goal line only to win by a single point... that is why it may be doomsday, because if we drop the ball, we go extinct. end of earth's story and the beginning of a new place to take all the souls that did not make it. this has happened before and while i do not want it to happen, it certainly can once again. the laws of physics are totally impartial.

for anyone that is familiar with football, you will know that the odds at face value are grim. but life is not football and things are totally different when it comes to people's true natures. that true nature must come out because what the universe is telling us is that we do not deserve to keep wasting our time. we are doing so much harm to the earth and potentially, on an energetic level, to the surrounding galaxy. but i know for certain that we will prevail because there is ultimately no way to fail in the soul's journey. it's just a matter if the consensus dictates the death of an entire planet...

to sum all this up, people have to become aware because a technologically advanced society undergoes a process of natural selection, which is what we are going through now. if we want to meet our et relatives, we have to prove that we will not be destructive. that is why we could potentially go extinct, because we simply do not wake up; it is a possibility, but not the one i'm choosing.

i say these things only to give people observational knowledge of the situation at hand. i do not intend to strike any fear into anyone at all but only wish people to know that they will at worst, delay their own evolution...

[compiit]

i don't believe it is a choice. i believe somebody can ascend by default if they never consciously recognize their own spirit existence yet live to accomplish the work they came to do. though, i do see merit in striving to ascend.

i also see very strong similarities with the christian harvest and the loo harvest. so much so, that i truly believe if it were to exist another thirty years it would totally transition into a fear based religion.

sorry, but i'm not a big believer in the idea of a group of people agreeing on a conscious movement. even if they think they are, the set goal is totally warped by each individual interpretation of what they are doing. global consciousness exists, but as an entity not as a choice. much in the same way a body exists but no matter what my toenails try to achieve, my ears will always see it differently, yet we exist and move through this life in a relationship.

ps. i think i am a part of the excretory system

[Caunnysup]

i don't believe it is a choice. i believe somebody can ascend by default if they never consciously recognize their own spirit existence yet live to accomplish the work they came to do. though, i do see merit in striving to ascend. 12th, i'd agree with this as it would seem to me that the much vaunted 'choice' as per the loo has only to do with having allowed life's circumstance and guided lesson plan to merely open the heart to the extent of feeling the desire to help others. this seems not to be linked to conscious spiritual awareness of the loo or otherwise, and i've seen this in my own mother whose passion in life is to help others consistantly with no waking spiritual awareness other than the fact that she is totally moved to be of help with no thought of recompense or what's in it for her. i feel she's accomplished this green ray activation solely on the basis of native compassion, being unable to be any other way - and she's a huge source of inspiration and understanding to me of what it is to travail the path of third density.

i'd also tend to agree that the loo may be the target of those who would like nothing more than to usurp the message of love and morph it ala christianity's message (which i feel was a reprising of the loo, btw), yet what's seemingly different now is that we may have the luxury of living in times in which we are experiencing a landslide of revelation and openness. the genie seems to be out of the bottle and despite the efforts of those who would try to take this black ops or into cloistered priestly cupboards as has happened in the past, the loo is evidently available to all who would choose to try it on.

the beauty of the times in which we live is perhaps that everything once hidden is coming out of the closet, and mankind may well have the potentiality to really see and learn of those things which have been hidden for so long. given these parameters, the loo is subject to distortion only as to individual perspective, and i feel it will not be possible for the negs to keep the truth from us any longer, inasfar as we wish to perceive the truth. as david says, the neg influence is only able to operate from a position of secrecy, and this secrecy has apparently been blown out of the water. what we decide to do with the unprecedented opportunity to encounter our collective dark side, however, is perhaps up to us.

while many here may want to catch the bus to 4d, and may attempt good works of service to others in the hopes of ascending, the message implicit in the loo as presented by the ra is, imo, to understand (and here, david makes his voice heard) that the vast and intricate tapestry of life which you enjoy is the manifestation of your own native being.

something to meditate on - as to how to attain the native love as has my mother is to finally get on some level or other that every expression of life that you can experience is you living in different sets of circumstance. this is why acceptance of the paths of others is paramount - others are you. all paths of experiencing are perfectly legitimate, and will lead to unconditional infinite gratitude for everything imaginable.

this is maybe the most powerful tool of acceleration of green ray (heart) activation available to us seekers, period, if you can get through recrimination and blame to a full enough extent. whether you get it consciously or on deeper heart levels may not at all be the point.

every gadding mayfly, every brooding hillside or sombre moonlet; every fish in the sea, every loping wolf, tangle of underbrush, world war, asteroid, political pronouncement or drug lord; is that you on another of your own legitimate paths of discovery and trial and error?

is there any condition or manifestation that isn't you; whether reptilian overlording agenda, pagan fertility rite in 1126, or pretty little girl on her fifth birthday? all perfectly acceptable and equally worthy of our unconditional love, huh... ? - as all experiencing has a divine purpose of prompting love of all as one. this is the loo as it has always been to my understanding, offered for your perusal; and whether this is gained consciously or otherwise is secondary, although one may accelerate greatly and naturally aid the becoming of the world to the greatest degree by the conscious letting go of thoughts of relative lack of merit and worthiness of any position or condition.

all things have their rightful divine purpose, although true - i'm human, and only strive towards this understanding. mark, ever caught up in human frailties and emotional turmoil.

[JewJoleSole]

...although one may accelerate greatly and naturally aid the becoming of the world to the greatest degree by the conscious letting go of thoughts of relative lack of merit and worthiness of any position or condition.

all things have their rightful divine purpose, although true - i'm human, and only strive towards this understanding. mark, ever caught up in human frailties and emotional turmoil.

i agree with this. i originally thought of 2012 through the lens of needing to work towards a goal but paradox keeps knocking on my door...

specifically, i made my first post saying that choice is required, but then 12thuranus seemed to have reminded me that a lot of people ascend regardless of their specific choices on their paths. and truly, the loo is all about this. i tend to post things from the perspective of the path that propelled me to where i am now... i've got to get over that. i say things with passion because the journey i'm on has been extremely rough but where it brought me is rather astounding. i'd like other people see where i've gotten and how i did it, which included a conscious decision to take it all a certain way. some of my posts come from that perspective without me even realizing it. i guess you could say that i am a product of the events that have created my current state... everyone has their own paths and the events they contain, though.

life leaves room for infinite variance in the path of ascension. i find that the personal choice to explore things directly is the funnest way to get there, though. but i've always known and believed that there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way... regardless of how i may sound.

[9TWSg835]

your post leaves me with a deep quandary, mark.

which is the more effective way to see our life- do we walk through and see all that is as a manifestation of our selves- being the maker and placing it square on our own heads? or would it be more prudent to walk this life and see our selves as an integral piece to the fullness of every other selves' manifestations- being useful to the outcome of each desired, yet not our own?



way off topic hear, and a risk to ruin my post above, but the story of your mother takes me to a biological place. i've been pondering lately how time isn't the culprit of old age, rather that it is the fullness of a constant evolution of electrical firings of biological parts that reach said stage of fullness by "catalyst." her dna and electrical firing synopses have evolved to create and recreate her being into usefulness. this is science talk, rambling rather, i'm just on to something new (to me) and your post moved me a little closer.

[SergeyLisin]

glad i helped somewhat, 12th.

the viewpoint i expressed in my last post on this thread - while it exists as a divine truism - acts for me as a spiritual ideal to be meditated upon and - especially - practiced in daily living. as for all of us here who are necessarily caught up to some extent in duality, this ethos of the law of one serves as a philosophical foundation to act as a guide while confronting life's myriad challenges. while conscious awareness of the ra material or any other format presenting loo philosophy is indeed not required for ascension, it is passively offered as a potential tool for quickening one's polarization.

i don't believe we are being prompted to take on the weight of the responsibility of the world on our heads; indeed there are those whom we meet often enough whose energies may offer something we don't wish to accept, and it is then perhaps well in advice to thank the person for their offering... thanks but no thanks!

likewise, many worldly conditions are obviously not what we would consider personally desireable by any stretch. i'll be the first to offer intercedence if someone is forcing unwanted energy upon me or a loved one, for example. if an invading army were to be moving towards where i live, i'd well consider doing whatever reasonable to move as many of my family and loved ones out of harm's way.

what helps me in my daily experiencing of the sometimes coarse energies of the world and myself, though, is to understand that third density is by necessity a place wherein the native inhabitants, if you will, (third density souls) are creating/receiving exactly what they make necessary for their continued evolution.

third density earth is only here for this purpose! i believe that everything that unfolds here is in perfect accordance with divine plan, and that goes for the wanderer types as well who more often than not seem to get themselves wrapped up karmically as well.

earth is not a trap or a penal colony, it is a tempering furnace which bridges us between the plant/animal kingdom and fourth density. it is the means by which every soul is led to the higher realms of love/wisdom/compassion, provided in benevolence and necessity.

nothing that happens here is permanent in the sense of pain and suffering. these things are only for learning purposes, and no soul is damaged by what goes on here. while we are all one in the greater picture, we nevertheless need to deal with the fact that the infinitely varied duality we all deal with is an unavoidable part of being here.



many base their spirituality upon focusing on all that is perceptibly wrong with the world, and attempting to take what is wrong and make it right. this is a natural and good aspect of spiritual awakening. for those whom are guided to the loo though, the loo implies starting off by accepting that all is really alright with the world, by building a spiritual foundation of acceptance and gratitude for this engine of evolution as third density always has been, and proceeding from there.

herein, paradoxically it may seem, we are able to start to effect positive change - by focusing our latent creative powers only upon love while not focusing on that which we would change other than to give a nod of appreciation.

so the point of all this is to aid in spiritual awakening by learning to internalize this loo ethos of the perfection of everything and everyone. fear and regret are the byproducts of the natural third density state of not seeing this yet, and our true creative powers come into their own when we love, accept, and have gratitude for any condition in the world.

one may come to discern that the biggest secret of the negs is the way in which we give away our true powers merely by 'taking up the battle', so to speak... by falling for the bait which is designed to arouse our outrage and indignation. this can have the effect of energetically perpetuating the very conditions we would rather do without. yet the negs are us, representing only the manifestation of our less than loving aspects, as yet manifesting. even this situation is perfect in a divine sense, as this is our impetus or catalyst.

to see the lesson implicit in a perceived negative situation, to see how the situation is only a reflection of our own less than loving ways, to deduce that patience and forbearance as to the condition is to apply that to ourselves as well, releasing the blocks to our natural state of loving - love is not to be striven for as much as it is to be naturally unveiled through recognizing that outer conditions only exist to illuminate our blockages.

in this sense, forgiveness of the world equals self forgiveness, collectively and individually, and is our best route to ascension.

all of this is to be understood to be only my personal opinion, offered not as any form of truth or held up to be a fair representation of either the loo or divine cosmos. mark

[Fruriourl]

@ markm

very well said, all of it...

if i were to offer any help to the world, it would come specifically with the choice to take it or leave it. i would not help anyone who did not want it, even if it meant the death of the earth. that being said, i would like the world to change. and thus, i may try to change the world in some way, but this may ultimately fail. instead, i will have only enhanced my own inner reality and nothing else. i really could not care less in any frame of mind if people accept my help or not. i desire for them to do so, but the rejection of my specific kind of help would cause no kind of negative reaction within me whatsoever.

my goal is to see if they will and what this would let us co-create, though. within the directed consent of two or more people could become a beautiful reality and this is what i have been after. if people do not want this creation, then perfect. that just means i will have created a very individual experience for myself. i would be left with a sense of loneliness, but not for long. it would all be good because seeing it that way would be my choice. this is how i balance my life and in essence, all the fundamental of what you just wrote about.

if i offer some kind of help and it is humbly rejected, i will respect that and instead find a way to enhance only my reality and life. this will never stop me from offering a hand, though. respecting free will is supremely important to me, but given what i seek to do, it requires me to ask for the consent of others to join me in creating something very specific and very grand between us. this is why i will never be afraid to give the request, yet still heed what the law of one teaches about this.

[ssyyyrruho]

thanks psion, well said back at ya my friend! your sentiments mirror mine.

imo, the single most powerful thing a lightworker can do to forward the cause is to live, practice and be the condition you wish to see in the world. the transformative power one individual has in this regard makes pale all other means of changing the world. this may not be readily apparent, but it serves to fortify the lightbodies of not only earth but all life within; and throughout the cosmos.

i want to see change, too, dammit. mark

[Thunderzee]

third density seems a distinct realm which serves as a form of 'boot camp'. every three months, a new crop of recruits passes through, yet the boot camp itself never graduates - see? only the men and women passing through.

boot camp will forever remain boot camp, and the drill sergeants may choose to remain behind, serving to facilitate the lessons of the next crop of greenies, ever attempting patience with the awkwardness of the new cycle of the uninitiated... mark, an ex-drill sergeant for reals

[EnubreBense]

12th uranus,

what do you mean, that there is nothing? why do you see a choice between nothing and oppression of others?
nothingness is impossible.
i believe somebody can ascend by default if they never consciously recognize their own spirit existence yet live to accomplish the work they came to do. though, i do see merit in striving to ascend. theoretically that might be possible. what a person professes to believe, or even tells their own self that they believe, is not so important as who they truly are. surely i have known atheists as well as those who do not even dwell upon spiritual matters whom i see as fairly spiritually advanced. also, in general there is not so much difference, spiritually, between the religious and a nonbeliever. both are afraid to die. the reason this is so, i have decided, is that mere belief in a soul or deity is just a small step on the road of the spiritual path. people assume there's a big difference between the believer and the nonbeliever, but they are just one shade apart.

ha, ha, and i've been gone a couple days, and going through this thread, and am now reading markm's example of his mother. yes, that is exactly what i mean.

psion, what is this path that you speak of?

[drugimpotence]

hey,
yet fail to understand, that the "time of awakening/ coming kingdom"
has been imminent, for every generation.
humans have always felt that "their generation" is the special one.
all generations have believed that they were "in the end times" or "on the brink of something grand"

but just studying history proves to me, that this has been a belief of mankind since forever.

i mainly agree with you. to exist in the now is to rise above the daily tribulations. to know all is an illusion and that all is love is to remove fear and worry and anxiety. but my point is that we live in a paradox of duality and both exist at the same time. the 2012 time line exists as well as the illusion of it. just like we all exist in all dimensions, past, present, future, sideways, at the same time.

and i don't know what version of history you are talking about. the version that i have studied has showed things getting better for all people. moving us toward a sense of understanding and equality. yes, i hear a lot of older people saying things like, "jeez, kids these days, omg." but really, imo, each generation is getting smarter and wiser at an earlier age. violence is not what it used to be. look at the older gangs, old time mobsters, then go back to medieval times when public executions was a celebration and a holiday. now we even have rights for criminals on death row and we kill them gently. the nation was outraged at the idea that the bush administration was using torture against pow's. look at women's rights. my point is that, to me, there is evidence that the world is evolving towards the light. and even in an accelerated fashion as the mayan calender seems to say.

so it came to me that beliefs of 2012 and some sort of 4d space/time is no different than christian dogmatic beliefs about heaven and hell. just a new package, thats all. mark, correct me if i'm wrong on this, but hasn't dw begun to move away from the idea of a mass harvest? or hasn't he? but yeah, holoverse, the portion in which they talk about being 51% sto or 51% sts graduates you to 4d sounds like if you are good or bad then you get into heaven or not. i agree with this. it does kind of sound like that.

i think the general idea is that as you learn and grow and you make mistakes your vibrations raise and you lighten up. up is love. so the more you grow, the more wise/loving you become, the higher your vibrations raise, the higher in densities you naturally rise. it is more like just plain science/physics then it is santa clause judging your behavior whether you have been a good boy or not.

the other distrubing trend ive noticed is people putting off alot of things like school, and work because they believe in 2012 everything will change, and none of that will be needed.
this is wishful thinking at best. agreed. it would be silly to stop your life and wait on 2012, imo.

but the main point i want to make is this....

meditation is about experiencing the eternal now.
forgetting past and future, because they dont exist.
only thing that exists is now! i beg to differ. they both exist. the time line you live in does exist. you live by the real rules of this illusion of a dimension you live on. if you don't eat, you die, that is fact. if you drop an apple it hits the ground. that beautiful butterfly outside your window might just be energy but it is real. and try telling your self that wasp outside your window isn't real and go grab it. i think you will get a painful reminder of the reality we live in.

we on these forums are lucky enough to have the knowledge that we live in a "holoverse" as your name so eloquently describes, and that all is illusion and there is nothing to fear. but it is and it isn't. it is duality and we must keep the reality of the world in our left hand without losing our right hand grip on the fact that none of it is really real. and vice versa.

so then, why focus on a future date so much????
why will this future date bring about change, when that change can come from now.
the only real moment that has ever, and will ever exist. i keep it all in balance. i enjoy watching the spectacle of 2012 unfold but i remain living in the now.

it is clear that the ancients weren't talking about a far away future date, but some day soon from their perspective. well i don't know what ancients you are referring if you care to elaborate.

my point is that we live in a paradox of duality. yes we live in the now but the 2012 time line exists as well. so keep it all in balance.

from my point of view,
foo

[wvbwxol]

but yeah, holoverse, the portion in which they talk about being 51% sto or 51% sts graduates you to 4d sounds like if you are good or bad then you get into heaven or not. i agree with this. it does kind of sound like that. on the other hand we should take care not to automatically reject something if it smacks of christianity, which in its better teachings contain higher truth.

it's not a matter of santa judging whether you've been good or bad, but we here on earth are surely stuck in some kind of morass, and how do we move ourselves out of it? by polarizing.

[preptarra]

on the other hand we should take care not to automatically reject something if it smacks of christianity, which in its better teachings contain higher truth.

it's not a matter of santa judging whether you've been good or bad, but we here on earth are surely stuck in some kind of morass, and how do we move ourselves out of it? by polarizing.

agreed. you are right. and if you are sts the loo does not damn you to hell. it just says you will repeat 3d over and over again. which, by some, could be considered another version of purgatory.

i choose to be sto because i have experienced both sides of the coin and i much prefer to make people smile then experience the paranoia, anxiety, and fear, and bad karma that comes when you take advantage of people for your own gain. i am not sto out of fear of not making it to any 4d place. shouldn't do anything out of fear, imo.

if you really believe in the loo then you believe in infinity:

i think that another way of saying "law of one" is to say "law of infinity". in the one exists infinity and in infinity there is all possibilities. all laws are made and broken. if you consider infinite possibilities then one of those possibilities is that we could just hop from one dimension to the next however we please. if infinity exists, which i believe it has to, then i think after this challenging 3d life i think i will go visit 6d or 7d. why? because in infinity anything is possible.

my point is that we are only bound by the laws we imagine to exist. not deemed possible by rah or anyone else. not speaking bad about rah or anything. the loo has opened my mind immeasurably.

[marcusdexz]

agreed. you are right. and if you are sts the loo does not damn you to hell. it just says you will repeat 3d over and over again. which, by some, could be considered another version of purgatory.

i choose to be sto because i have experienced both sides of the coin and i much prefer to make people smile then experience the paranoia, anxiety, and fear, and bad karma that comes when you take advantage of people for your own gain. i am not sto out of fear of not making it to any 4d place. shouldn't do anything out of fear, imo.

if you really believe in the loo then you believe in infinity:

i think that another way of saying "law of one" is to say "law of infinity". in the one exists infinity and in infinity there is all possibilities. all laws are made and broken. if you consider infinite possibilities then one of those possibilities is that we could just hop from one dimension to the next however we please. if infinity exists, which i believe it has to, then i think after this challenging 3d life i think i will go visit 6d or 7d. why? because in infinity anything is possible.

my point is that we are only bound by the laws we imagine to exist. not deemed possible by rah or anyone else. not speaking bad about rah or anything. the loo has opened my mind immeasurably.

i am perfectly okay with repeating 3d. i don't think i'm anywhere near 4d, sts or sto. (but i do feel acceptance of sts is shunned in this forum, although not by loo).

and as far as going on to 6d or 7d, we must remember that we chose 3d for a reason. we might find 6d utterly boring.