[intendepods]

I have been experimenting with OBE and energy work for several years now. I have a Log of what I have experienced in this forum. The problem I am having now (for almost a year) is total frustration and lack of ability to do OBE and sensations of energy work that I used to experience. I have had only brief limited exits from body or partial exits. When I do energy work I used to feel tingling and or warmth and this is gone also.

I have tried changing times (am/pm), positions (laying/back/side/sitting). I just am not having any successes at all and am becoming very frustrated. I also have taken breaks once for a month and just recently 2 months of not attempting anything.

Any opinions, tips, advice would be greatly appreciated!!!! It almost seems the more I try or study the subject the further from my reach it is.........Help!

One thing that happened in the past year is the passing of my Mother. This was Feb. 17, 2009. I posted how I had a very powerful sensation in my heart chakra area the instant she passed (She was in a home and I awoke the exact time of her passing, I did not know the time until seeing the certificate 2 weeks later). I do not know how this would affect OBE or energy work, but I put it here just for reference. Although saddened by losing her, it was one of those good passings because of her condition and loss of coherence.

A couple general questions........

1. How long do others typically "try" OBE techniques? I have tried some for as long as 3 hours...
2. When doing energy work, I have read some info on just pulling it up from feet to crown, and others say to cycle it up and down body?? Is one better?
3. Is there info (a chart) showing minor chakras? I know where the major ones are but find little on minors. I know Robert refers to bases of thumbs and big toes, and bottom of feet and palms. I also know he recommends working minor paths before major.

[quedry36]

Hello Russmi3,
all my obe experiences has so far come from lucid dreaming and converting them to
an astral projection, by either willing myself to a place i knew or to start chanting in
the lucid dream, somehow that helps me get energy and to get out of the body.
My favorite chant is OOOOMMMMMM with a very base like tone to it.

I have never yet been able to project from other positions than my favorite position
which is laying on the stomac. I find it very hard to do energy work that way though,
so most times i try to raise energy when laying on the back and many times i have also
tried to enduce an obe from laying on the back but i can never seem to get relaxed enough,
once i tried several hours but with little effect

I then shift to my favorite position on the stomac and decide to go to sleep but still
conditioning myself to be aware when i drift off (don't over do that part else you cant
fall asleep imo) and then when i get lucid i use chanting.

This being said its absolutely not every time at all that i succeed in having an obe,
its still very seldom and it tends to be easier when i have nightmares as i have learned
myself to see nightmares as dreams cause of their often gross dis-similarity to real life.
When i see it as a dream i usualy gets lucid and can go on from there.

I hope you can use my experiences for something, just don't give up and if you are stuck
on a particular method for long, try something else, none of us is similar in regard to what
works for us so experiment!

See you in the astral!!
Mreee

[jessyhalm]

Is there info (a chart) showing minor chakras? I know where the major ones are but find little on minors. A quick Google search yielded:
http://www.kheper.net/topics/chakras...and_minor.html

When doing energy work, I have read some info on just pulling it up from feet to crown, and others say to cycle it up and down body?? Is one better? Not necessarily, though I daresay it will differ for different individuals. I find body loosening makes a big difference (not that I've projected lately but, at least, I'm confident I can again when I'm in a situation where I can commit to it).

[Frierlovene]

damn, I wrote you an answer and lost it...
just wanted to say that I'm not an expert at all but I did attend the hall of learning and asked the exact same question "why is it that after a few months of energy work...I barely get any sensations at all (except for my feet) ?"
I was told that it's normal, you get a lot of sensations when you're not used to energy work or you've got blockages.
therefore, this is not a bad sign.
for the lack of obe's you need to be dead honest with yourself, would you for eg. be scared to meet (or not) your mum ?
is there anything that might stop you (un)consciously ?
I know it might sound silly but I have just started a program to try not to be scared of flying anymore....I've flown so much and used to enjoy it so much...till I started to get really scared. I met this guy who started to ask questions about my past etc... I thought he was crazy because I thought it had nothing to do with it, it was rather the gravity playing a big role on airplanes lately... I went there with 100's of technical reasons as to why I was scared....but it took him 5 min to tell me that 99.9% of people think they are scared of the aircraft when in fact they have a problem they need to resolve...which has nothing to do with aircrafts... in my case it was a precious relationship...silly eh !? it's something that happened at the time the problem started
I think that your lack of obe's is somehow related.... there is something that prevents you from doing it and it might be something which happened about a year ago : death of a loved one, ending of a relationship, the loss of who/whatever...just be honest with yourself and that's 80% of the work done...
I know...it sounds really stupid but it's worth giving it a try
it's actually great to be able to meet deceased people, I used to be an atheist and believed that my mum who died 15 years ago was just "ashes" till I discovered about obe's 7 months ago...It's wierd but I never used to dream about her and I suddenly had a few vivid dreams with her in it where she kept telling me she was ok....it was not spooky at all. but I guess we need time to get accustomed to the idea that we've got the ability to meet them....
my message is very long and might be boring but just a last thing...be honest and if you think that anything might hinder it, just wait. I had an accident in december...a guy came from behind, stabbed me with a knife in my hand and asked me to give him all the money I had on me...It "f...." me up for 3 weeks, I was sooooo scared to obe, I even thought it was a warning sign to stop me trying to obe...just to say that if you don't feel ready, just wait, curiousity will take over any fear pretty soon
just let us know if you'bve managed to fly again !

[jessyhalm]

I had an accident in december...a guy came from behind, stabbed me with a knife in my hand and asked me to give him all the money I had on me...It "f...." me up for 3 weeks, I hope you're okay now!

Russmi3 there is something else you can try but there's no guarantee it'll work and it takes considerable mental discipline. It entails staying totally present in your body with as few lapses as possible throughout your day. I saw it recently described as keeping your mind in the space behind your eyes. This prevents constantly racing thoughts which, I suspect, preserves energy. When you do your energy raising, it also helps if you don't go into automatic mode with your mind off somewhere else. If you're already practising total presence just disregard this post.

[Frierlovene]

hihihi, I've just read my message and am thinking "what the hell were you trying to convey ?!"
just to make it short, don't read my previous message !...next time, I'll read them before I post them

[jessyhalm]

Actually, I could understand what you were conveying based on your own experience and it seemed a valid and well-intended response to me, Sleepingbeauty.

[Allorneadesee]

Hi Russ.
As you know, this is a very brief comment, since I haven't really had time to look at details. But just for consideration:
Tertiary chakras are teeny tiny chakras all over your skin- I would daresay that the pores are good 'physical representations' of tertiary chakras. So they're on the skin, all over the place.
Secondaries are the entire flowing inside of the energy body. I know that traditional representation of chakras show the centers themselves, but when Robert says 'secondaries', I believe that he is saying 'the entire energy pathway that those chakras connect to', which is why you do sponge sweeping.

And you know about primaries, they're the regular ol' chakras.

Now, about your hiatus: When 'Stuff Happens' in life, your attention is going to naturally be diverted to that which is happening, especially something as important and impacting as what happened to you. That you had some manifestation of it (showing your connection to her) is significant, and there may have been a lot of 'background' stuff you went through with her, stuff you are not aware of- you may have helped her with her transition, even if you don't remember.
Besides the obvious impact to your life, both emotional and mental, this event probably took a lot of energy, and now you are in the 'unwinding' process- you're ready to 'get back' to your usual discipline.
The problem is that you're not the same person you were a year ago- you continued to evolve (and may have done some major evolutionary stepping up without knowing it) and now are not the same in terms of development.
So instead of trying to 'feel energy' like you used to or 'try to exit' like you used to, try to see what else you can do- maybe you're supposed to do something different than before- so I'd say that instead of doing the usual, practice like you did before, but instead of 'tryign to do a or b' ask for guidance (in dreams or meditation) and see what you get.

As to me, the longest I try an exit tech is 45 minutes. (The whole routine takes longer, but the exit attempt can last up to an hour if I'm not exiting easily and for some reason really want to.)

[Frierlovene]

does this mean that you're pulling a rope for 45 min or doing several exit techniques for 45 minutes in a row ??
ouahh, I thought that if we were not successful after a few min, we should give up....I thought we needed to concentrate on the monkey chat and the trance state, the energy work...and that the exit was just a piece of cake if the previous variables were mastered.....
now I do understand why I've almost never managed to get out !! I don't think I have ever been trying an exit method for 45 minutes !

[Allorneadesee]

I've done rope for up to 45 minutes, yes. Maybe even an hour. But that was one of the times I wanted to test the theory that you can force a projection with rope. It usually gets me out sooner, but if you think you've lost the 'window', you probably haven't, because you can keep trying to exit.
That's why I always say to keep trying until you either pass out, or wake up. And if you wake up, don't roll over and go to sleep, actually get up from bed (or your chair, or wherever) and take a walk.

[intendepods]

Thanks to all for all the input!!!!! It is just frustrating to me to know I have done OBE (PS I have only done it from lucid dream state also) but now something is hindering me. It is so cool to do and exciting, I have examined deeply the aspect of having fear of it or meeting someone (My Mom) in OBE and I really do not believe this is to be the case. If it is it must be really deep in my subconscious. I actually would love to meet her or anyone I know. I have only had one experience of an entity (black, growling thing) at the foot of my bed and I just faced it and moved towards it projecting white energy and it vanished. All other OBE has been fun and beautiful.

I always ask for protection (keeping pure,white energy around me) before every attempt.

When I said I have tried techniques for 2-3 hours, I meant trying to to do conscious OBE. And, yes it is doing one thing like rope, sinking, floating. After doing it for that long I typically get actually sore from remaining immobile and then as one of you stated, sleep is impossible then. I have had many sleepless nights doing this. I have stopped doing it so intensely now. Typically I will now sit or lay down, relax body for 15-20 minutes (either imagining a wave going through me or from feet up) then I will try clearing my mind (LOL) and focus on breathing or brow chakra. (This is where I struggle with random thoughts).

Relaxing has always been easy for me, and I believe I do it well. Getting mind clear and focusing is hard. I have tried the OHMMMM chant many times. But it is always like: ohmmmmmmmm.....will this work? ohmmmmmm.........I know I can do it ohmmmmm......I need to fix faucet........ohmmmm.......stop it, focus! ohmmmmm.

[Allorneadesee]

Before I launch into a long routine, I just want to ask you, did you ask me about this last year? Because I think I'm going to tell you what you already know. Did we have this conversation last December?

[intendepods]

CF - I do not recall if we discussed this or not. I am guessing we did......lol. I searched briefly but could not find anything dealing with these aspects, but I could have missed it also. In short don't sweat it!!! Your brief response was more than I expected and had very insightful content!!! Thank You!

You did reply to my post about the feelings I had at the moment of my Mothers passing and stated in that you would elaborate in more detail, but you never have. I am interested in what you were going to elaborate on......lol. I realize we are all busy and also know how trying to moderate a forum is so you do not have to apologize at all ever for forgetting to respond, being brief or taking awhile to respond!!!

You have always been nice and have brought me (and others) along way in this forum. You should be nothing more than proud of what you are doing!!! I consider you a friend and always will!!!

Thank You fo all you do!!!! HUGS

[Allorneadesee]

Thanks for that... lately I've had lots of things happen in my life and I'm a bit overwhelmed, so I don't know if I'm coming or going.
But to add to what I said before, If you are feeling stuck in your energy work (no feelings where there used to be, and you miss them) I'd try incorporating the middle pillar technique to your energy work. It takes time to learn but it is 'very' rewarding in terms of sensory information, and may give that little 'nudge' you may feel you need.
I'm sure it's in the energy work section somewhere, or in Aunt Clair's site. I'm pretty sure there are more than one 'middle pillar' technique, I'm talking about Israel Regardies's tech.
I usually do NEW as a warmup before I do it, and I confess haven't done it in about a year, but when I was learning/doing it it gave me some interesting results.
I also recommend Intro to Hermetics by Franz Bardon, I think as long as you've been doing this, you can take a step further in your development, start mixing & matching.