[inhitoemits]

Hello,
I have been reading up on Robert Bruce's work, specifically the PDF on the website, which includes Treatise on Astral Projection, NEW, and other things. I tried using the rope technique to induce a projection, but at some point I achieved different results.

What happened instead of an OBE was that my body started going into some routine that began with stretching all sorts of muscles (some that I wasn't even aware of!) almost on its own. I could feel what was going on, and could also stop it if I chose, but I just let it go on to see what would happen (I have to admit, I thought it was the coolest thing I had seen for awhile). Basically, the stretching routine lasted about 1-2 hrs (I went to bed at 11 PM), after which it went from stretching to tracing energy pathways (? - I'm not exactly sure). What happened was that my fingers began tracing lines between the locations of my chakras, as well as rubbing / stroking / pushing on the chakra areas (although I'm not sure - aren't there supposed to be 7 chakras, though I only recall dealing with six?). I'm not sure exactly when this second routine ended exactly because I think I dozed off towards the end (was it 4 AM? I can't remember).

It was an interesting experience, but I'm not sure what was the source of it. I have wanted to project for quite some time, ever since my friend introduced me to the concept back in middle school (I am now a high school senior), but for a while I had almost forgotten about the idea, until I read an article about binaural beats, which reminded me of the brainwave stuff my friend was using to try to get us to project. Some Googling later, I found this site, which really seems to be the one-stop-shop for pretty much anything astral (which of course makes me excited), so I figured I'd try to get back into trying to project again.

Anyway, sorry about my digression. My basic question is - what did I experience? How is it related to AP? How can I use this experience to further my goal of achieving AP?

Thanks and sorry for the long post,
Andy

[Dyerryjex]

The short answer is you achieved energy body loosening.
The long answer will come a bit later, I'm in a bit of a hurry.

[Dyerryjex]

Hello,
I have been reading up on Robert Bruce's work, specifically the PDF on the website, which includes Treatise on Astral Projection, NEW, and other things. I tried using the rope technique to induce a projection, but at some point I achieved different results.

Hi Andy. First off, I love your name. Second of all, sorry it took me so long- your post came in at a time when I had to leave and wanted to at least give you an indication that what happened to you has actually happened to others. I have a post in my OBE forum in which I describe the exact same type of experience.
So here goes:
What happened instead of an OBE was that my body started going into some routine that began with stretching all sorts of muscles (some that I wasn't even aware of!) almost on its own. I could feel what was going on, and could also stop it if I chose, but I just let it go on to see what would happen (I have to admit, I thought it was the coolest thing I had seen for awhile). Basically, the stretching routine lasted about 1-2 hrs (I went to bed at 11 PM), First of all, did you do something besides relaxation prior to doing the exit technique? I have the feeling you slipped into such a deep trance that the exit turned into some sort of mental projection, in which you examined the energetic equivalent of your body and your immediate surroundings. It wouldn't surprise me if you also 'saw' weird Dali-esque things when you did this. So you were projected, but not to the RTZ. Interestingly, I did something similar when I had the same experience (not 'same') but apparently the 'same' plane, environment, or consciousness focus, whatever you want to call it.


after which it went from stretching to tracing energy pathways (? - I'm not exactly sure). What happened was that my fingers began tracing lines between the locations of my chakras, as well as rubbing / stroking / pushing on the chakra areas (although I'm not sure - aren't there supposed to be 7 chakras, though I only recall dealing with six?). I'm not sure exactly when this second routine ended exactly because I think I dozed off towards the end (was it 4 AM? I can't remember). I did a similar thing which was open my chakras. When I got to the crown chakra, it was rock-hard. Goes to show that something similar happened to both of us. We slipped into the same 'reality'.

It was an interesting experience, but I'm not sure what was the source of it. I have wanted to project for quite some time, ever since my friend introduced me to the concept back in middle school (I am now a high school senior), but for a while I had almost forgotten about the idea, until I read an article about binaural beats, which reminded me of the brainwave stuff my friend was using to try to get us to project. Some Googling later, I found this site, which really seems to be the one-stop-shop for pretty much anything astral (which of course makes me excited), so I figured I'd try to get back into trying to project again. Well I'm glad you found us, and I'm sure we'll do what we can to help.

Anyway, sorry about my digression. My basic question is - what did I experience? How is it related to AP? How can I use this experience to further my goal of achieving AP?

Thanks and sorry for the long post,
Andy. Ok, now for some basics:
As you know, (if you've read the online works, if not, check out the AD pedia for most of the links to them) there are a few types of projection. Robert (as I) considers them all 'astral projection' but the experience that they encompass varies enough for us to subdivide them as such:
RTZ (aka etheric) the closest to physical reality, as perceived. Not always completely realistic, sometimes the fact that you are perceiving with a purely energetic medium will affect how you see things. Also see 'reality fluctuations' and 'mind split effect'. Something to realize is that vibrations do not always happen. If you are the type that 'gets vibrations' (which would be most people at first) you will probably not get them as you progress. This is frustrating, but goes to show that predictability is not the name of the game here.
As the experience gets further away from what we're used to perceiving, we call it different things- Astral planes, astral environment, focus 12- 27 (I have to go back and look up focus levels, but you can do that, there's a guide here somewhere about phasing and focus levels.) Now here is where most of the environments that are collectively perceived (Shamballa, temples, Akashic Records) fairy kingdoms, and maybe the 'afterdeath zones' are 'located/situated/focused on'. Now in these grades of reality you will get further and further away from what we think of 'the material world' and get into the GodPlanes and finally the Mental Plane. Now the mental plane is a 'place' that is mostly conceptual, where form is not really what's important, and where ideas are expressed in very abstract form. Not many 'go there' and I'm not sure exactly what makes a plane mental except that it's about as nonphysical as it gets.

Now, usually when we have an OBE to the RTZ we experience vibrations, sounds and other phenomena if the transition is conscious. If you're asleep you just 'come to' already out, possibly floating around your room, and do cool stuff like going through walls and other stuff like that.
From the RTZ, if you're ready, you can go to the 'astral proper', and have all kinds of experiences, or go directly there, bypassing the RTZ by either going from a lucid dream or phasing. (phasing is in the AD Pedia). It is possible that when doing the rope technique you slipped into an astral plane and didn't notice. Especially if you 'clicked out' in the process and didn't notice. The fact that you did this for so long leads me to believe this may have been the case.
It's possible that the 'place' you 'went' to is the same place mystics go to when they 'tune in' to the energy body- I can't be sure because my knowledge of specific mystical realms is limited- Aunt Clair may be the person that can clarify this.
However, when I did it I discovered stuff about my energy body that I didn't realize, and it helped me. That you commited yourself to this to the point that you got to tells me you will be able to do this, if you do not become discouraged at not experiencing what you 'expect' to experience. It is my opinion that there are way too many 'experts' out there that tell you more what you can't do instead of what you can, and this experience is one of those. Hard to classify (I think it's in the astral) but didn't happen with an 'exit' that encompassed 'space', but it was a change of focus, so projection did happen- an internal projection. Just not what you expected. Get used to that.
If you want I can link you to my experience that was similar.

[Dyerryjex]

Here's mine. See if you can see any similarities.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1609&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=120# p88504

[inhitoemits]

Hey CF!
Thanks for your reply. I have skimmed through it briefly (I am in a bit of a rush to get to work - summer job coming to an end), and I wanted to clarify that I'm pretty sure it was my physical body (i.e. at some point I just had to visit the bathroom, then came back and resumed, and then a bit later the cell phone alarm I had set went off - I then shut it off and resumed). I'm still not sure how it (my body) *knew* what to do, because I sure didn't!

I'll check back in a bit later to get a full read of your posts.

Cheers,
Andy

[Dyerryjex]

I selected the specific one with similar elements to your experience- If you read all my posts you'll go blind.

[inhitoemits]

Hello again!
I just read the post you linked to, as well as your reply to my post, in full - I did notice the similarities, but wish that my experience had been less grounded in the physical (I physically felt everything that was going on, and occasionally my arms would bump into the wall or the nightstand, because I don't have a lot of open space around my bed ).

I will definitely be trying every night and hopefully making some sort of progress - the other night nothing really happened, I just fell asleep, but last night I did try to physically relax for as long as possible (and set an alarm at 1:30 AM just in case I fell asleep). The funny thing is, I might have fallen asleep, but woke up 4 minutes before my alarm went off - I guess maybe I was expecting it to go off?

Anyway, I'll see what happens this week and will post again if anything interesting develops.

Cheers,
Andy

[Dyerryjex]

1) Do you do any energy work at all (like NEW?)
2) Do you have a set schedule to go through to get to the 'optimal' state for projection?

[inhitoemits]

1) I haven't yet done any intensive energy work, but I do have the PDF that describes NEW in full (I just need to find the time to read it and follow the instructions). Part of the problem is that I have to do my energy work / astral projection work in secret, because my mom for some reason believes AP is associated with evil / bad stuff (I think she did a Google awhile back, when my friend introduced me to AP, and found some stuff she didn't like). Actually, maybe you might have some suggestions as to how I might turn her negative view of AP into a more positive one? I've just learned that when she's antsy about something, I'd rather not push it...

2) I sort of just lay there and wait for the physical body to fall asleep, using breath awareness to keep myself focused, then I start trying to use the elevator / ladder technique to go into trance (though I have to admit I have no idea if I'm doing it right), and then I try to use the rope technique to project. The thing is, I tend to have trouble keeping focused on the task at hand, and occasionally I fall asleep and forget what I was doing. I'm trying to improve my focus, though, and my surface mind (what RB calls the memo pad) doesn't give me too much trouble with tasks / worries, although my favorite music tracks do creep in a lot.

Thanks,
Andy

[Dyerryjex]

1) I haven't yet done any intensive energy work, but I do have the PDF that describes NEW in full (I just need to find the time to read it and follow the instructions). Part of the problem is that I have to do my energy work / astral projection work in secret, because my mom for some reason believes AP is associated with evil / bad stuff (I think she did a Google awhile back, when my friend introduced me to AP, and found some stuff she didn't like). Actually, maybe you might have some suggestions as to how I might turn her negative view of AP into a more positive one? I've just learned that when she's antsy about something, I'd rather not push it...

If it's because of religious belief, go to the book of Acts in the bible and read the bit about Gifts of the Spirit. In either that one or John he describes AP quite matter of factly. If you want I'll get you the quotes. Not for you to argue about it, but for you to know and feel better about. The problem with certain things is that people of faith believe what their religious leaders tell them (or worse, what their culture tells them and make assumptions without actually doing their homework.)
Anyway, NEW is not something you do that anyone will notice- it's running energy through your body. I recommend you learn to raise energy at the very least to make things easier. You do this while laying down, sitting, or reclining- as if you were 'taking a nap'. Heck, I used to do it (when I was learning) in waiting rooms, car lines, and no one asked. If anyone did I'd say I was tired and resting my eyes. Nothing to chant, nothing to say or do. But it's up to you.


2) I sort of just lay there and wait for the physical body to fall asleep, using breath awareness to keep myself focused, then I start trying to use the elevator / ladder technique to go into trance (though I have to admit I have no idea if I'm doing it right), and then I try to use the rope technique to project. The thing is, I tend to have trouble keeping focused on the task at hand, and occasionally I fall asleep and forget what I was doing. I'm trying to improve my focus, though, and my surface mind (what RB calls the memo pad) doesn't give me too much trouble with tasks / worries, although my favorite music tracks do creep in a lot.

Thanks,
Andy Two things you can add to this routine, especially at the end, are energy body loosening (either before or after trance work, or both) and when you've done it all, wait before doing the exit technique, and observe the darkness for a bit, listening to your natural earhiss. When things begin to change (either the hiss becomes loud noises or voices (yes, that does happen) or when you start to 'see' things, or get vibrations, then is when you start rope or whichever exit technique you prefer. Make sure you're already in deep trance (by observing what I described) before tugging on that rope, and you will probably get out in no time.

[inhitoemits]

Thanks, I'll follow your suggestions and see how things go - as for my mom, her religious beliefs are pretty toned down (i.e. it's mostly a personal thing with quiet prayer at home as opposed to a go-to-church-and-participate-a-lot kind of thing), but when she forms an idea / belief about something, it can often be pretty hard to change it around (another part of the problem is that she REALLY doesn't like the particular friend who initially introduced me to AP - for reasons that would take a long time to list). I wish I could find some objective third party to change her mind (if it comes from me, she won't take to it, and if it comes from someone on the Internet, she's usually acutely skeptical or averse to the idea).

Andy

[Dyerryjex]

That's cool. But if you want the bible quotes to make yourself feel better, I can get 'em.

[inhitoemits]

If you have them on-hand, I'd appreciate having them - I'm not all that religious, but they might be reassuring all the same. I assume you have the book / chapter / line references? I don't really read the Bible, though at one point I did try to read through Genesis... (and at one point I used to go to Sunday school - but it never really appealed to me that much)

A quick question about ear hiss - it's what you hear when there's no other noise around you? I get it all the time in a quiet room, but I always thought it was all the radio waves / airwaves around me (you know, AM, FM, WiFi, cell networks, etc.)

Thanks,
Andy

[Dyerryjex]

If you have them on-hand, I'd appreciate having them - I'm not all that religious, but they might be reassuring all the same. I assume you have the book / chapter / line references? I don't really read the Bible, though at one point I did try to read through Genesis... (and at one point I used to go to Sunday school - but it never really appealed to me that much)

Here you go:
Gifts of the Spirit-

1 Cor
2:15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man. 2:16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
3:16Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

12:4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 12:5And there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord. 12:6And there are diversities of workings, but the same God, who worketh all things in all. 12:7But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit to profit withal. 12:8For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom; and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit: 12:9to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit; 12:10and to another workings of miracles; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues: 12:11but all these worketh the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each one severally even as he will. 12:12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of the body, being many, are one body; so also is Christ.
12:28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, divers kinds of tongues. 12:29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 12:30have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 12:31But desire earnestly the greater gifts. And moreover a most excellent way show I unto you.
14:1Follow after love; yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. Oops it wasn't Acts, it was Corinthians.
2 Corinthians 12
1
I 1 must boast; not that it is profitable, but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2
I know someone in Christ who, fourteen years ago (whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows), was caught up to the third heaven.
3
And I know that this person (whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows)
4
was caught up into Paradise and heard ineffable things, which no one may utter. Here is the comment about the guy having an AP and no big deal.
(my Exegesis in modern forumese, obviously)


A quick question about ear hiss - it's what you hear when there's no other noise around you? I get it all the time in a quiet room, but I always thought it was all the radio waves / airwaves around me (you know, AM, FM, WiFi, cell networks, etc.)

Thanks,
Andy Yes, and you're 'sort of' right. You normally hear when the ions in your hairs inside the middle ear change polarities by the movement of the eardrum. When there is no noise, you're probably hearing the 'white noise' of the ions just waiting for something to happen. I can guess that any radio interference or other energy interacting with the ions that are just waiting. I would venture a guess that when people hear 'disembodied voices' it's a similar phenomenon to 'EVP' but on the organic ear matrix, as opposed to radio antenna pickup. Just guessing, though.

[inhitoemits]

Thanks for the quotes. I think it's the white noise that I hear - it's never really anything more than white noise, though since I've never paid too much attention to it I probably wasn't listening too hard. I'm actually working on NEW right now, but I have to start from the beginning i.e. MBA and TI first...

Cheers,
Andy

[inhitoemits]

Not much luck last night - though I did manage to focus a little better by listening to my ear hiss (I noticed that, if I'm looking for it, I'll find it even if there is some noise around). I ended up dozing off at some point, though before that one interesting (creepy?) thing happened - I began to get the feeling that little ants were crawling from my right shoulder and across my chest (I actually got a little unnerved - my right arm snapped up to check if there really was something there, but there wasn't). I got the feeling that if it wasn't physical, it was energetic, so I left it at that and tried to keep going in my endeavors - not long after that, though, I ended up falling asleep. I was woken up, of course, by my 3 alarms (one at 1, one at 2, and one at 4), but I was too tired to do anything once woken up, so I fell back asleep each time. I can't remember any dreams I may have had. It's pretty much hit or miss at this point for me, so I need to work more on NEW to gain some control - I haven't quite nailed down MBA and TI yet, which are the building blocks for further energy work, but I'll keep working at it each day.

Andy

[Dyerryjex]

Wow you're a hard worker. Relax, and let things happen for you. No need to do everything at once.

[inhitoemits]

I can sometimes really get into something if I WANT it (and in many cases I kick into OCD / perfectionism for specific tasks, although it probably won't happen for NEW, since I know there is no *perfect* way to do it).

Anyway, seems I answered my own question - the *ants* are mentioned in NEW as one energy movement sensation, among others of course. Also listed were random muscle twitches and tinglings, which I do get occasionally during the day and at night before falling asleep.

Andy

[inhitoemits]

Last night I got to the vibrations stage and sort of felt my leg float up but then it stopped - I don't know why, maybe I was too excited or something?

Andy

[Dyerryjex]

Maybe. When I get my legs floating I do rope. It gets the attention on the torso, and I either project or stop.
One way I stopped the 'legs going up by themselves' thing was to do a lot of sponging on my legs, if this bothers you.