[FsQGF1Mp]

I had a dream last night and in the dream, I OBE'd. I dont know if I did it for real or not, but in the dream I was at my old house and I decided to sleep in my old bunk bed. I woke up inside of the dream with really intense vibrations, but in the dream for some reason I wanted to get rid of them, so I tried to get out of bed. I felt like I couldn't move. I waited a second and tried again. I rolled right out of my bed onto the floor. For a split second I could see really clearly like everything was lit up. Then all of the sudden I started to hear extremely loud screaming noises and like a cloud of darkness covered up most of my line of sight. I could only see a small circle of vision. Like tunnel vision. Then I heard like really loud rushing noises or something and I saw like a dark figure in robes with a hood hovering over me. I looked at him and saw just rotten teeth and then I decided I needed to wake up from both dreams so I did. I woke up with a jolt and I was so afraid i immediately turned on the lights. What was all that about? I didn't try OBEing before I fell asleep.

[Enfotanab]

LOL. It gets pretty scary out there sometimes. Try this mantra:

"I must not fear
Fear is the mind-killer
Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration
I will face my fear
I will permit it to pass over me and through me
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing
Only I will remain."

If that doesn't work, go into the Hail Mary.

[somawaima]

or conjure up a dream sword and slay that mother!

Seriously that is scary. If I ever see the "dweller on the threshold" it will be tough to beat the fear to OBE.

[Dyerryjex]

Seriously that is scary. If I ever see the "dweller on the threshold" it will be tough to beat the fear to OBE.

Unless you see it more than once. You'd be surprised what you can get used to.

[FsQGF1Mp]

I don't even know what this was. It wasn't like before. Everything felt wrong. It was dark, everything was blurry. And the whole day I was irritable. I guess that sort of thing just makes me in a bad mood. But it was quite scary and I don't even know if it was actually an OBE or a dream. I felt like I needed to run away from something

[Cuccuccaltefe]

Muse 333

i agree it gets scary. i'll also risk the feedback by trying to explain that the mantras, prayers, and things that support superstitions of fear...work in the opposite way most would assume. So you're saying it's backfired on you? It's always worked well for me.

I've gone into mantras on @ least 3 seperate occasions while out of my body and it calmed me down quick enough to get a handle on the situation.

[Cuccuccaltefe]

So, from what I gather from your post, you are far more qualified than me and most everyone else on the board. You are a shark wrangler, and we are all playing with goldfish.

Just trying to make sure I'm clear on what you are saying.

It sounds like you have a lot of trouble with negs and dwellers. That is not something to brag about. It does not mean that you are more powerful than the rest of us. In fact, it can very well mean the opposite.

[FsQGF1Mp]

My situation's different I guess. Maybe I shouldn't be giving any advice here?!? Over-qualified comes to mind. Like a shark wrangler giving advice about Goldfish.

I find weak-minded, weak-willed people to be less prone to attack. (Actually we're all under attack, but Weaklings seem to notice less). Hmm.

The topic has lost it's topic but I'll address Muse anyway. It seems that you have a twisted idea that you're an example of spiritual/psychic supremacy, and that you know more than anyone else. However, I think you're a little more cocky than you are over qualified. Though this topic got switched to fear, there are people who have experienced dangerous and extremely traumatizing events. Second of all, not everyone is under attack, and it has little or absolutelly nothing to do with mind and or will. That governs how you deal with it perhaps. I am strong minded and strong willed, and have only experienced one wave of psychic attacks over the course of 3 days.

Leyla said it. Being that you seem to have had a lot of negs, it doesn't show much for your "overqualification". I noticed you tried to cover that up by trying to say that "weak minded" people are more prone to attack. I don't see your logic there. As I explained above, that is illogical. So don't think for one second you are more qualified or more powerful then the people on here. You have no idea the types of things people have gone through, can do, and have done.

I don't know where you got your information from but get some new information, because every part of it that contained your opinion was quite inaccurate. Your experiences are not out of league here, so it is not necessary to look down your nose at anyone anywhere on this forum. This isn't the neg oylimpics and it's pointless to brag about negative experiences, which is why I haven't ever shared mine with anyone, at least not on here. I would prefer if this topic didn't turn into a flame on this forum and I appologize to everyone if that's how my post appears. Let's try and avoid negativity.

Hopefully this won't go in through one ear and out the other. So if you decide to reply, hopefully this time you will contribute to the conversation without adding your (seemingly) cocky and unnecessary remarks.

If I misunderstood your post, I appologize.

[shodulsilfeli]

I have a solution. Muse, why don't you start a thread and tell some of your experiences? I was just thinking yesterday about asking you to. I'm really interested.

Then you can explain your ideas and experiences without looking so much like a thread hijacker, and other people can give Rain advice based on their own experience.

I'm curious as to why you came up with the idea that people who aren't aware of neg attack are weak-willed. Weak-willed is about the last thing people would call me, but I'm not aware of neg attacks. Yeh, I can feel anger, blah, blah, blah, but it always feels like it originates with me. I get an intuitive "bad" feeling about some people or situations, but I'm not sure how that fits in with your weak thing. And, for sure, I don't have 30 years of astral experience. Well, at least not that I downloaded into memory.

[shodulsilfeli]

I mentioned "thread hijacker" because other people had mentioned it. Ok, so I'm "protecting". No, you don't need it, but, for one thing, I would like to hear your ideas. And, based on history, once people have started becoming irked by you, it goes nowhere fast. If you started your own thread, and people became insulted at you claiming more experience, you can just say, "hey, it's my thread, and I have more experience, period." If you go into someone else's thread and start making claims like that, sometimes the original poster, and other's that agree with the original poster seem to feel that you have stepped on their beliefs and messed with their thread and energy. Just telling you how people seem to me to be reacting. If you disagree, by all means, keep telling your truths. Just don't be surprised when.....(you know what I mean).

I happen to be an expert on this. I posted on another forum, disagreed with the general atmosphere of the forum and thread, and pretty much got run out of town on a rail.

[FsQGF1Mp]

Yeah I think he/she knows now. I think when this happens it's just all misunderstanding what people are saying. It's a chain of devensive responses that result in more of a battle than a productive thread. I am not offended or anything, I just misunderstood and misinterpreted what muse was saying, and reacted negatively to it, thus causing slight defensive reaction from them. I think it's all good now, but in any case, fear isn't affecting my lack of projection ability anymore, it just sucks all by itsself again. But at least now I know what it feels like I guess.

[shodulsilfeli]

Ok, great, if no one has a problem with it, I'm ok with it. I'm not moderating here, remember? I'm just giving my personal opinion. Muse, you know that not all people are ready for what you want them to hear. And, irking them off isn't going to change that. It took me 5 decades to understand what the h.ll you are talking about. I had to be ready, and I had to read a book that set off the chain reaction. If I'd heard it from you, or probably anyone else for that matter, I wouldn't have accepted it. Reading a book is a lot less confrontational, and gave me a chance to work through my own process. So, I just started a thread about it and people don't have to read it. I warned them not to read it. When you jump in someone else's thread with bold words, people sometimes react like you've crossed the personal property sign. Again, I know this from a recent experience on another website. Gave me some good clarity.

Besides, if everything's ok just the way it is, why do you need to jump all over other's beliefs? It's their journey, not yours.

[BlackBird]

I had a dream last night and in the dream, I OBE'd. I dont know if I did it for real or not, but in the dream I was at my old house and I decided to sleep in my old bunk bed. I woke up inside of the dream with really intense vibrations, but in the dream for some reason I wanted to get rid of them, so I tried to get out of bed. I felt like I couldn't move. I waited a second and tried again. I rolled right out of my bed onto the floor. For a split second I could see really clearly like everything was lit up. Then all of the sudden I started to hear extremely loud screaming noises and like a cloud of darkness covered up most of my line of sight. I could only see a small circle of vision. Like tunnel vision. Then I heard like really loud rushing noises or something and I saw like a dark figure in robes with a hood hovering over me. I looked at him and saw just rotten teeth and then I decided I needed to wake up from both dreams so I did. I woke up with a jolt and I was so afraid i immediately turned on the lights. What was all that about? I didn't try OBEing before I fell asleep. Hey, Jared.

I had the hooded figure experience during a conscious projection a couple of years ago. He (?) didn't show any of his face and I haven't seen him since that experience. Initially, I found him quite frightening but I think that was largely because I was having a terrible time getting out (I kept recycling back into body) and I associated my difficulty with the presence of this figure.

In retrospect, it occurred to me I had been sick and also taken decongestant medicine and that probably had more to do with my problems getting free than the figure. The more I thought about it, the more I felt he was just observing.

It was a significant experience because it did teach me a lot about fear and help me move beyond that.

[Enjoymms]

wow i read the first comments from muse and then read rain if i believe her name was, freak out over nothing, and before i read the rest of the posts which im sure is you two saying im sorry and yeah im sorry too, id just like to tell leeyla i completely understood muse and was very interested in wht he had to say and the way you confused cockiness with excitement is really disgusting, try not to be so negative and ready to jump down someones throat, and dont bother responding to this because i could care less for explanations, but i guess ill go back and read the posts after those first two between you and muse, but i just couldnt wait to type to you wow!chill out girl.

[Enjoymms]

ok i read the rest of the posts and to my enjoyment muse didnt apologize and the three women in a futile fasion tried justifieng there positions. All the while muse masterfully and brilliantly set the record straight in such a way i rarely see except from truly evolved people. Muse if you wrote a book or started a thread id check it out. Do you feel like your astral experiences have somehow made you smarter and more aware of everything. Ive noticed a change in my self, im more likely to not react to situations with more emotion than thought and logic. Ive only been projecting for about a year or so it just started happening and ive ran with it. But like i said ive noticed a difference in myself like for example reading these posts between you and the fem fatale triplets it was easy for me to see the difference from a reactive person to someone like you who doesnt react to confrontation. And like you said i hug a bad being and it shows in how you handled the confrontation whereas we know how the others who plug there ears and hmmm how they handled it. Which brings me to my point, it weird how you can learn lessons from projecting experiences that you somehow in turn know how to apply to life. I guess why the whole thing erked me between you and the girls is because i watch to much tv and politics and im sick and tired of people arguing stupid points that make no sense except to them and probably half the population unfortunatelly..joke.. so to see you calmly and methodically breaking down the arguement and showing the flaws in the opposing arguement was obviously a little treat for me. ok im done brown nosing ive made my point.

[Knqzjbmf]

Dtrepp 22,

Rain is a boy, okay. He's a very nice one too.

Expressions like fem fatale triplets are unnecessary. You may approve Muse all you like but please refrain from name-calling and insult.

This thread is about Rain's original experience. These forums are for us to tell of our experiences and share insights. Occasionally, we'll see things differently. Mature people accept that.

I've tried to get this thread back on track but you've decided to keep an argument going with a running commentary on on why Muse is right and everyone else is wrong. This would be better placed in a pm to Muse, I think.

[shodulsilfeli]

"Inconsistency" is your pet peeve? Then what's up with recommending "The Tao of Pooh"? One side of Muse accepts that everything's ok and the other side is determined to shake people up and make them understand? I'm sorry, but I don't get it. You're doing what you claim you dislike in others. But, I'm ok with that.

My personal opinion is still that I would be interested in a new thread where you tell about some of your experiences. You keep claiming that you are over-qualified, so, show us. Tell us about your adventures.

[TeemFilla]

And like you said i hug a bad being and it shows in how you handled the confrontation whereas we know how the others who plug there ears and hmmm how they handled it. Which brings me to my point, it weird how you can learn lessons from projecting experiences that you somehow in turn know how to apply to life.

I agree with that. It's an interesting way to look at it. I was one of the "ear pluggers" for a while. Muse's idea is more productive, and I have started trying to embrace it. It is quite an idea, and it does work. The hardest part is having the courage to face your fear. I don't fear things. I fear fear. It's a difficult concept to explain, but I think everyone knows what i mean.

6. "try not to be so negative and jump down others throats." I found that statement interesting. Let's think about this for a second because you're absolutely right, and I, unlike you, read your WHOLE reply (both of them), the part where you appologize and supply some (limited) constructive criticism, and I acknowledge that. The hypocrisy of this state ment is still so mind blowing to me. I find it amusing that you focused only on the things in my post and the others' posts that you found negative and responded only to those.

I'm sure this post will warrant some sort of negative response, as every post on this thread has resulted from something negative (including this). The problem is everyone only notices the negative portions of everyone elses posts, with no regard to the positive aspects. That I find disheartening and annoying. Muse, I like the idea of you starting a thread of your own. You will likely get people responding to you in negative ways (like we did) but i guess you'd have to decide is it worth the few people you will reach to with it. It's up to you, but I'm up for it. If not, then I'd be glad to keep the PM's going

[bingookenoo]

Rain iF said: She has a lot to teach, but a lot of it is things that most people aren't ready to hear or accept Which is pretty much exactly what I said.
Rain iF also said: Muse, I like the idea of you starting a thread of your own. Which is also what I said. Thanks for reiterating.

Muse, of course everything you do is ok, but that's on a macro level. We are posting on a micro level here.

Muse said: HELLO dtrepp22!!! where the hell have you been all my life?!? Uh oh! Do I see the beginnings of a "clique" here? Sorry, I just had to yank your chain. I'll be better next time.


How 'bout we leave this thread open, and act like nobody did any flaming? I think the demerits could go out equally, so everybody kind of cancelled everybody else out. Starting with a clean slate....

[FsQGF1Mp]

It never fails to amaze me how Tempest always remains so positive. This thread isn't necessarily dead yet. In the meantime I tried projecting again. I was able to get past the fear enough to do it but not past my usual inability to project period. lol. NO exit technique works. Ropes. Latters, floating, sinking, switching nothING works. Lately i have been using binaural beats to induce a trance state very quickly. I used alpha a few times, and i normal use theta, but last night I tried delta. Yeah, if you're trying to project, that's not a good idea lol. You fall asleep almost instantly (at least i did) and then you sleep very deeply for what feels like HOURS, but then you wake up 45 minutes later like...aw damn.

But I have started doing things that I know would normally make me afraid. I fear wooded areas at night. And I fear being by myself for extended periods of time. So the other night I went out into the woods alone, and unarmed. The unarmed part was a big step for me. I sometimes have a sword or a switchblade. Not that either of them would necessarily be of any use in a spirutually dangerous situation. They are just items I have gotten addicted to having with me if I go into an area like that. It's hard to explain but I don't necessarily fear things as much as I fear the fear I will experience upon the arrival of these things. You know what I mean? Anyway.