[exchpaypalgold]

when I get out, cant I choose to not return? like.. is there a time limit?
so lets say I like it so much on the other side, and I want to stay there... and my physical body is calling me back, but I dont wanna go, what happens if I wont go back?

and if I have no choice but to return, would I be able to choose to do another OBE immediately (like.. 2 minutes after I return, I want to OBE again.. and then repeat and repeat and repeat

[Dyerryjex]

You can do #2 and induce coma that way. So in a way, it would be suicide by OBE, unless someone wakes you up. I wouldn't be surprised if many coma patients (not the physical coma, though) do this when the coma is psychologically caused.

[Anykeylo]

Are you talking about extending your projections to occupy an afternoon or a lifetime?

[Dyerryjex]

Well, the reason I said that is that I've had really long projections (three hours once) in which I kept coming back and going out again, and got to the point in which I was conscious in my body but unable to wake up or move, and I had to be woken up and it took a long time for me to 'come back to life.' So if this had happened to me for long enough and there would have been no one to wake me I would have gotten weak enough to die of dehydration or something similar. Of course nowadays most people don't live in a bubble, and long projections are not common, but after my experiences with long repeated projections I can see how that would happen.
Just explaining, I realize you probably weren't asking me.
So my answer would be I don't think you can choose not to come back, but if a projection is long enough and you are alone you can be weakened enough to amount to the same result.

[Anykeylo]

It seems to me that such a situation would be fairly difficult to arrange intentionally (being able to keep the body alive and also being able to stay out-of-body indefinitely).

[Dyerryjex]

I agree. I even debated posting my experience. But I couldn't help myself....

[Anykeylo]

I agree. I even debated posting my experience. But I couldn't help myself....

Since you did, any ideas on how it could be done intentionally if you wanted to repeat your experience or if someone wanted to try it also?

Really, though, I think lucid dreaming might be a better approach. Anyone can take a nap.

[Dyerryjex]

The only times I've succeeded in doing this is projecting after lots of sleep and going into a meditative state from waking, and when I come back I will myself to stay in trance instead of getting up. I don't do anything different, except getting lots of sleep prior.

[no02rSx2]

Well, the reason I said that is that I've had really long projections (three hours once) in which I kept coming back and going out again, and got to the point in which I was conscious in my body but unable to wake up or move, and I had to be woken up and it took a long time for me to 'come back to life.' So if this had happened to me for long enough and there would have been no one to wake me I would have gotten weak enough to die of dehydration or something similar.

This is classic case of depleting your energy reserves. In other words it a case of fatigue. In most circumstances it will pass normally with rest.

Not returning at all is the same as physical death. As your physical body is connected to your projection via energy you would also have to break that connection. As indicated by responses to concerns about safety of OBE, that's very hard to do.

OBEs spanning hours (Earth time) are very achievable (without above symptoms) with sufficient energy skills. There are reports that days, months, or years are possible. Be a bit skeptical of the later two.

OBE usually terminates automatically when energy is no longer being supplied by the physical body. Thus staying out a long time can deplete your physical body's energy but not to the point of death under normal circumstances. A freak accident or medical condition might indirectly result in death (very unlikely). Staying out until your energy is totally depleted like described is an invitation for NEGs and thus not a good idea.

[Dyerryjex]

Well, I didn't do it on purpose. It just happened.

[Anykeylo]

The body is not some dumb animal that will let itself be harmed just because its occupant wants to stay out for too long at a time. As Robert Bruce explains you never fully leave it while you are still alive: you send out a copy and the copy's memories dominate the body-side's memories for the time-frame. When the body truly needs your attention it will keep raising its "voice" until it has your attention again. The only way to avoid this is some kind of drug or poison or injury such as oxygen deprivation, and those would make the quality of the projection experience less than it should be.

Of course, all that is off-topic. I seriously think we are just talking about getting more time out of body within a single afternoon session rather than trying to extend projection into hours, days, or weeks. This is why I suggested lucid dreaming as an alternative; if nothing else, a good nap would be welcome and it could develop into WILDs (wake-induced lucid dreaming).

[seervezex]

I've been waiting for snowman626 to respond. I've been wondering whether snowman just doesn't like the physical body, or is just highly motivated to project, or if snowman found some totally awesome astral experience and can't get enough of it.

[exchpaypalgold]

well, the reason I asked is because all my OBEs so far lasted only 2 minutes max... those were spontaneous ones. with a lot more practice, Im sure it could be stretched a lot longer. but even though my OBEs were only 2 minutes each, each time that it happens, it becomes the highlight of my day. that short short little 2 minutes out of body's my highlight of the day, after I return to body I think of the experience 24/7, looking forward to doing it again the next time. so I can only imagine how happy I would be if I am able to do this hours at a time, or even days...

so yes I am very very highly motivated to project, and yes, I don't like the physical world much.

[Nabeqiv]

well, the reason I asked is because all my OBEs so far lasted only 2 minutes max... those were spontaneous ones. with a lot more practice, Im sure it could be stretched a lot longer. but even though my OBEs were only 2 minutes each, each time that it happens, it becomes the highlight of my day. that short short little 2 minutes out of body's my highlight of the day, after I return to body I think of the experience 24/7, looking forward to doing it again the next time. so I can only imagine how happy I would be if I am able to do this hours at a time, or even days...

so yes I am very very highly motivated to project, and yes, I don't like the physical world much. My experiences are like this and I feel the same way the next day. Im not a big fan of the physical world either.

As far as not returning to the body, I know of one such experience from Robert Peralas The Divine Blueprint. I guess in the book Perala describes his friend who astral projected so frequently and enjoyed it so much that during one projection (later confirmed by another projector) Peralas friend couldn't return to her body upon trying and her body had a seizure and died. Whats more is that once she finally took her final projection she regretted it, so thats something I try to remember.

[mGUuZRyA]

A number of times, I've been in long OBE/dreams where I knew that a lot of time had gone by in the waking world. What has always made me wake up, though, is a feeling of dread that seems to grow the longer I'm in the astral state (but this feeling doesn't happen in dreams that are normal in length, only the very long ones). I discovered that I could always escape the dream world by shaking my astral head back and forth very vigorously.

I'm not sure I would want that feeling of dread to be suddenly absent! I like my waking world, too, and am not ready to give it up for the dream/astral world....

[mvjvz]

Deepak Chopra often says that when his father died he was like, "Give everyone my love, I'm going now, bye." and he went into meditation and never came back. Sounds like he did something like have an OBE and not return.

[CiccoineFed]

As long as you have a conscious mind, you have a body. You can't not be pulled back to it, unless it died. Your subconscious and soul may astral travel, but you are still alive with that body and eventually wake up consciously again.

[Dyerryjex]

Deepak Chopra often says that when his father died he was like, "Give everyone my love, I'm going now, bye." and he went into meditation and never came back. Sounds like he did something like have an OBE and not return.

He probably knew he was about to go- that's different than not returning. If you are advanced enough chances are you can either make yourself die (by controlling autonomic functions like some yogis seem to be able to do) or know when you are going to. I don't think you can go and not come back unless your body dies, as Ryan so aptly put.

[no02rSx2]

As long as you have a conscious mind, you have a body. You can't not be pulled back to it, unless it died. Your subconscious and soul may astral travel, but you are still alive with that body and eventually wake up consciously again.

I am having difficulty understanding this post. Its very terse.

Firstly, you can be pulled back due to lack of energy.

I'm not at all sure why you suggest that a conscious mind requires a body??

[Dyerryjex]

Originally Posted by RyanParis As long as you have a conscious mind, you have a body. You can't not be pulled back to it, unless it died. Your subconscious and soul may astral travel, but you are still alive with that body and eventually wake up consciously again.

I am having difficulty understanding this post. Its very terse.

Firstly, you can be pulled back due to lack of energy. That's what he said: "you can't not be..."


I'm not at all sure why you suggest that a conscious mind requires a body?? I have an idea about this but I'll keep it to myself.