[DuePew]

Last night I had an experience that I don't know how to categorize. It wasn't an OBE, but it was something different.
I lay down to bed, and as I lay there on my bed I began to feel as I sometimes do when I'm going to project. As if my spatial awareness is somehow 'off' with my body awareness. I did a bit of energy work to stabilize my ebody, as I wasn't even drowsy, and didn't want to have (what I thought could be) a missed projection, a sort of premature projection. So I lay there in the dark. Then I felt the weirdest thing- there was a 'spacial movement' of some sort, as if I were floating off the bed, only the bed was part of the 'mind parameter' that was starting to move up. It almost felt as if I were in a giant elevator that is going up- including me, who am now weightless. The feeling of going up was very strong, but not in relation to objects, or even the room- it was more as if (and I don't know how to describe this exactly) the whole world was simultaneously going 'up', dislodging itself from 'space' just a few feet, and then drifting off or floating. I was part of the whole matrix of whatever that was going 'up' (and I realize that the word 'up' is meaningless in this context)- it was also as if I 'knew' where everything else was and 'felt' everything move 'up' just enough.
This lasted about half an hour, and then passed. It was tres weird, and not easy to describe.
Weeeirrrddd.

[FBtquXT8]

I have some experience I was flying up out of body very strangely, it is difficult to describe it too. It seemed like only my consciousness was flying up, but I wasn´t in the room, I was in something like "free space of mind", it was relatively dark. I was very surprised. There was some noise in the room, but I can´t hear it and I can´t feel my body, only my consciousness was constantly flying up. It is method to get OBE or get to trance. Of course it can be bigger spiritual experience, because no experience has any limits.

[unioneserry]

This lasted about half an hour, and then passed That is amazing to me. all of my experiences seem very short. (not all, but most) I have a very hard time holding the ebody sensations/effects... they seem so fleeting, almost like I have to hurry and gather all the information that I can, ie EXIT asap. And I think it kinda ruins things for me. Everything feels 'rushed'. When people talk about having experiences lasting hours, sometimes, that absolutely amazes me... I can't do that. only very short events. Your OBE journal is a blessing,,, thank you...

[DuePew]

I have some experience I was flying up out of body very strangely, it is difficult to describe it too. It seemed like only my consciousness was flying up, but I wasn´t in the room, I was in something like "free space of mind", it was relatively dark. I was very surprised. There was some noise in the room, but I can´t hear it and I can´t feel my body, only my consciousness was constantly flying up. It is method to get OBE or get to trance. Of course it can be bigger spiritual experience, because no experience has any limits.

Was this last night too?

[DuePew]

This lasted about half an hour, and then passed

That is amazing to me. all of my experiences seem very short. (not all, but most) I have a very hard time holding the ebody sensations/effects... they seem so fleeting, almost like I have to hurry and gather all the information that I can, ie EXIT asap. And I think it kinda ruins things for me. Everything feels 'rushed'. When people talk about having experiences lasting hours, sometimes, that absolutely amazes me... I can't do that. only very short events. Your OBE journal is a blessing,,, thank you... Since it wasn't really a projection, sort of a 'dislocation', I really didn't have to do anything- just to feel it, be in it, and it felt like I was only a small part of the phenomenon. Since time in this case was entirely subjective, it could have been less time- like 15 minutes, maybe. But it felt like it lasted forever. It was very strange.
Oh, and thanks for the journal comment. I've been slacking lately, though.

[kilibry]

Ditto Earthborn. Mine are pretty short too. Mostly because of a mindset I have about not wanting to AP, actually, Im going to change that now, im supose to be going with the flow, man.

I cant say I have ever experienced exactly what you did, that sounds really awsome.

It could be it was about the whole world, not just you. In my understanding, the entire physical planet occupies it's own reality and a rung on the 'ladder' ("up/down"). It could be you actually felt a cosmic shift to a higher dimension. That is, the world became less evil and the entire planet ascended some. I'm suprised it was so sudden that you could feel it, but its very possible there was a planetary event or maybe external or divine intervention for the planet. Maybe George Bush decided he didnt want to be president for a 3rd term (Sorry, couldnt resist). By my theory it is the people who occupy the planet determine what is allowable in the general reality of the planet, or even thier region, or city, a global shift in thought can cause the whole planet to ascend.

[Dkavtbek]

I've had that happen often in my very early OBE training; I was using techniques like imagining myself in a rocking chair, or visualizing a cube flying up and down and grabbing on to it... I would get these very powerful, albeit very brief "rushes" where I could feel the visualized movement in full force...

I'm convinced that these are simply part of the hypnogogic imagery -- it's usually images and sounds, but there's no reason it couldn't be physical sensations as well, especially when it comes to the sense of 3D which relies mostly on sight and the inner ear; when you doze off, those just go to the background.

My mother gets it a lot... She is a spontaneous projector who is extremely scared of OBEs.. She often tells me how she feels that "she's about to go," she describes it as the feeling you get when going down a fast elevator, or when the car goes down a slope on the highway. It actually sounds a lot like what you described, CF, like it's not just you but everything that is moving at once.

Half an hour is a long time! I guess it's probably the result of being so used to "noticing" versus "totally flipping out."

[DuePew]

Half an hour is a long time! I guess it's probably the result of being so used to "noticing" versus "totally flipping out." You should read my very first posts when I was new. Flipping out describes it pretty well.

[6M8PJigS]

Hey CFT been a long while.

I've experienced very similar phenomenon very suddenly the entire world seems to rise or get closer. The last few times have happened in moments of import where I'm saying something important to someone else. The question is, if everything is rising or getting closer, who or what is the unmoved thing which everything is getting closer to? To me it's none other than the Soul descending into the physical body. It's never happened to me while in trance, but I can imagine how it might be possible to experience a perpetual feeling of rising.

Well, food for thought

[DuePew]

Hey Michael.

The question is, if everything is rising or getting closer, who or what is the unmoved thing which everything is getting closer to?

I suppose it would be space, if you could pin it down. The feeling doesn't translate well, I know. However, the Soul sounds good. I'll give it some thought.

[FBtquXT8]

Originally Posted by Psychotronic I have some experience I was flying up out of body very strangely, it is difficult to describe it too. It seemed like only my consciousness was flying up, but I wasn´t in the room, I was in something like "free space of mind", it was relatively dark. I was very surprised. There was some noise in the room, but I can´t hear it and I can´t feel my body, only my consciousness was constantly flying up. It is method to get OBE or get to trance. Of course it can be bigger spiritual experience, because no experience has any limits.

Was this last night too? It wasn´t last night, it was a month ago. But if you want to find relations, you have no time limit in eternal thought forms system.

[DuePew]

I have an idea about soul groups, so that's why I wanted to know when.

[FBtquXT8]

Something strange became to many people I know. It seemed like a group of astral travellers was on a way to giving strange experiences and taking people out of body. But it is such a crazy hypothesis. I met very strange people in my dreams too, they always suprise me, because they are very persuading, not like dreamy people and they have useful ideas and seem very intelligent.

[kilibry]

I'm a little confused. Are we talking about obe or feeling that your physical body moved through space as well? Maybe it's just that I have my own language and cant understand the lingo.
Ive felt like my physical body was rushing through space (I was concerned about smashing into walls ), and covering large areas of the planet, but I dont grasp what the subject at hand is.
Maybe I should just stay out of it.

[DuePew]

feeling that your physical body moved through space as well?

Physical, and with everything. Like one of those pictures where a landscape is drawn in plastic and the plastic is superimposed over another page. Then move the plastic away from the other surface and everything moves. Now picture that threedimensionally, going up, and maybe a little bit 'forward'.

[kilibry]

Originally Posted by Al feeling that your physical body moved through space as well?

Physical, and with everything. Like one of those pictures where a landscape is drawn in plastic and the plastic is superimposed over another page. Then move the plastic away from the other surface and everything moves. Now picture that threedimensionally, going up, and maybe a little bit 'forward'. So like OBE sensation without the separation and your surroundings are part of you too. That was a really good way to explain it ( another theory -oiy8kig- plops out of my head). In that case, I think it is all about the one experiencing it, despite the feeling of being a 'small part'. But I dont need to throw out any more wild theories.

[VowJoyday]

This sounds to me like separating (full/part of) your awareness from your physical body. It is the basis of phasing (and my technique). With some practice similar to NEW, you move the location of your perception to visit distant places. Or on a lighter note have some really funky experiences trying to move your physical body from this 'odd' perspective (be careful as falling still hurts).

[6M8PJigS]

Here's the beginning phase of an experience I had:

1) Ate a yummy chocolate that was accidentally laced with horrendous quantities of the deadly poisonous and highly illegal nerve toxin, psilocybin. Ok, I ate two yummy chocolates.

2) Ingested chili pepper extract to inhibit monoamine oxidase, and spilled the entire bottle on my crotch.

3) After much "conscious suffering" (as Gurdjieff would call it) I perceived a distinct presence/energy entering my body from above. Simultaneous with this energy coming down into me was the experience of moving up into this energy, for as soon as enough of this consciousness was in my body, I was able to perceive from it's perspective which was non other than that of "me" rising into "it". But it wasn't just "me" my physical body that rose up, it was my entire universe, spatial orientation and all.

Sounds retarded when trying to explain it, undoubtedly due to the body's dual function as both perceiver and projector of reality.

CFT, I think it's possible that some form of consciousness entered your body, but because you were inhabiting your expanded energy body, you may have missed the sensation of something coming "down" into you, and only felt the corresponding ascension of your perceptisphere.

[BarBoss]

Congratulations and thanks for sharing . I would be interested to hear what other experiences follow this event in the next few days or so .

[DuePew]

Well, for whatever it's worth, I finally had a full-blown OBE this morning, with lots of funky dreams prior to. The OBE will be put in the journal, I haven't done it yet.